East India Company buys out Zemina Torval's shares and withdraws financial support. [RP & Non-RP]

[William J Smith]

EIC, I remember that name.. you were the guys driving people out of open after killing every trader passing through Thosiao who didn't want to join you..
So yeah, no sympathie from me.

Im glad you are disappointed with PP.

They did that at Liaedin too, blasting innocent traders out of the sky without even giving them a chance to surrender or even explain that they were trying to blockade the system from a bunch of feds running in solo.
Cost me a whole bunch of cr in lost imperial bounties and cargo, not to mention the 1.5 million insurance on my ship.

Glad to see EIC withdrawing from PP, just wish they'd withdraw from the whole game.

Bill

Oh and their cmdrs combat log when they've lost their shields I saw you vanish when I bounced you while you were interdicting that vulture....

 

[Katkon]

I'm an EIC member, and I fully support this move. It has caused our players to waste a lot of time, because of the mid-tick changes and other design issues. I am also an independent game designer, and from a design perspective, PP has been a catastrophe for ED.

Some players are enjoying it. That's great! I'm glad so many are having fun with it, and it makes sense this group would not want PP to change.

But, "love it or leave it" is not a useful counter to criticism, especially when that criticism is valid.

And there are legitimate criticisms, such as those LC listed. PP has also coincided with a marked diminishment in clarity and communication on FDev's part about how PP works. And the recent implosion at last tick of thousands of play-hours is the logical consequence of inadequate beta testing and that poor communication on how PP works.

Worst of all, PP has divided the game's player base, which is never a good thing. If you need evidence of that, you need look no further than this thread, where a large player group has said we're not having fun, and other players attack their fellows for proactively engaging the game and its design issues, instead of offering support and ideas that would build a sense of community.

Honestly, I don't see PowerPlay as something that's divided the community - no more so than those who enjoy trading vs. bounty hunting, or those that trade the hard way vs. using 3rd party tools or published trade routes. Feedback is a gift, but to be useful it has to be helpful. It has to be constructive. And there are plenty of pre-existing avenues for funneling such feedback - lots of threads on this topic out there to participate in.

 

[ExRex]

They did that at Liaedin too, blasting innocent traders out of the sky without even giving them a chance to surrender or even explain that they were trying to blockade the system from a bunch of feds running in solo.
Cost me a whole bunch of cr in lost imperial bounties and cargo, not to mention the 1.5 million insurance on my ship.

Glad to see EIC withdrawing from PP, just wish they'd withdraw from the whole game.

Bill

Oh and their cmdrs combat log when they've lost their shields I saw you vanish when I bounced you while you were interdicting that vulture....

Wow. This is really not a very nice post. First you assault them personally by wishing they were gone from the game because they used valid game mechanics and afterwards you accuse them of cheating without posting any evidence. Come on. You can do better.
When I read such drivel you really make me wish you'd remove yourself from the game.

 

[DigitalMandalorian]

If you insist.

Still a behaviour I will always be against, players are not NPC's in my mind.
It lacks empathy/sympathie, I don't think you can deny that.

But Im derailing this, sorry. Nothing more to add from my side, fly safe CMDR's.

I do insist.

Not every experience can be simple and nice, because not every person is simple and nice. You're going to run into the maniac killing Sidewinders in LHS 3447. But at the same time you will see the Conda pilot dropping them palladium to scoop in Eravate.

You're right, players aren't NPC's. You can't interact with a NPC. The whole point of open is player interaction and with this situation there were player interactive solutions/experiences available to you that you denied yourself by switching game modes.

 

[peter101cycle]

Wow. This is really not a very nice post. First you assault them personally by wishing they were gone from the game because they used valid game mechanics and afterwards you accuse them of cheating without posting any evidence. Come on. You can do better.
When I read such drivel you really make me wish you'd remove yourself from the game.

If I remember rightly, I think I was there as well (Liaedlin) and one of them in a Python took my Asp out by shooting out the thrusters and leaving me to self-destruct.

Problem with these Groups is that they end up thinking they're more important to the game than they think - the OP being another example.

 

[DigitalMandalorian]

If I remember rightly, I think I was there as well (Liaedlin) and one of them in a Python took my Asp out by shooting out the thrusters and leaving me to self-destruct.

Problem with these Groups is that they end up thinking they're more important to the game than they think - the OP being another example.

Reboot and repair?

 

[Ben Ryder]

https://np.reddit.com/r/EliteDanger...india_company_buys_out_zemina_torvals_shares/

Have you thought about submitting this as a GalNet story?

 

[rckstr]

If I remember rightly, I think I was there as well (Liaedlin) and one of them in a Python took my Asp out by shooting out the thrusters and leaving me to self-destruct.

Problem with these Groups is that they end up thinking they're more important to the game than they think - the OP being another example.

Well such groups are important because they contribute to the game experience. Also i am sure many of them are also backers. They've been long in the universe and are big enough to be mentioned in Galnet. Mechanics and additions that initially should generate a different/ better experience are no good additions to the game if large groups of players and many single players as well start turning around and don't take part in that content. Right now there seems to be a trend in moving away from PP and i started a bit earlier today a thread regarding this. Till now there are just a handful of people happy with PP and the rest turned their back on it or stayed just because of a bit RP. This leads to the question if PP achieves what it was created for.
And if they have taken you out because they established their selves there then why shouldn't they try to "defend" their trade route against outsiders? It is all part of the game.

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Have you thought about submitting this as a GalNet story?

I don't know if this is quite necessary and would be picked up anyway. If not i think it would be a good decision to submit it since it also contains a RP part. On the other hand i don't know if Fdev stays willing to submit news that indicates a further movement away from PP.

 

[Alex988]

Op this sums up my feelings with pp. Gave it a try, won't go back. It's broken (not sure why FD lets us beta test if they don't bother releasing a working update), it's boring, there is no story, it's a grind.

edit:
Why is there such a hate against playergroups in this forum? "Oh they killed my ship, I hope they all leave the game" Those groups creating events and all that free pr for ED and EIC for example did an amazing job in pp for Torval.

 

[Raduk]

EIC, I remember that name.. you were the guys driving people out of open after killing every trader passing through Thosiao who didn't want to join you..
So yeah, no sympathie from me.

Im glad you are disappointed with PP.

Why would people leave open and not just simply find another place to trade?

I only play Open, mostly trade, am not part of any group.

Powerplay is disappointing. I'm rank 5, for no reason except it's there. No tangible benefit for a bulk trader with Mahon to go rank 5. Sure, I've designed my trading so its profitable but I suspect I could make more elsewhere. I'm just aimlessly doing things though.

Suggestions:
faction wide chat channels
Non conflict regions for some factions, heavily populated ones unless some event is throwing it into war
a method to reflect on the Galaxy map concentration levels of independent commanders.

 

[Ben Ryder]

I don't know if this is quite necessary and would be picked up anyway. If not i think it would be a good decision to submit it since it also contains a RP part. On the other hand i don't know if Fdev stays willing to submit news that indicates a further movement away from PP.

There's a section somewhere on the forum for players stories and GalNet has been asking for them lately. I think this makes a great Power Play story and really does EIC credit for sticking to it's own ethos. It's good role playing stuff and it would be good to see EiC back in thew news.

You guys don't need to be aligned to a power.

Go south and bang some pirate heads

 

[Quineloe]

Great feedback, huh? Nothing but a list of complaints with no suggestions for improvement. .

Power play is so rotten it cannot be improved. It needs to be redesigned from zero. I would rather have 1.2 back and play CG like in Lugh to determine the future development of the galaxy.

 

[andyraptor]

Did you not establish this during the beta? Can't believe it took 4 weeks.

Don't be silly... it's just a bunch of joystick jockeys who tried to influence a online game and lost... because nobody cared or listened

Next ...... issue a TLDR statement on Reddit and the Forum... christ..... you would think it was the Middle east crisis !!!!


don't hold your breath..... they will be back ....and Catnip and his credit hoes will jump on another PP faction and try the same... watch and see

 

[rckstr]

Don't be silly... it's just a bunch of joystick jockeys who tried to influence a online game and lost... because nobody cared or listened

Next ...... issue a TLDR statement on Reddit and the Forum... christ..... you would think it was the Middle east crisis !!!!


don't hold your breath..... they will be back ....and Catnip and his credit hoes will jump on another PP faction and try the same... watch and see

If they have a valid reason to jump on another power they are free to do so. But regarding the reasons they quit, i doubt they will participate anytime soon without changes to PP. Credit hoes or not (honestly i don't know) EIC is not the only RP Group that jumped of the PP boat. Everybody else who leaves PP does it for the same reasons EIC does.

 

[Lord Bamber]

Don't be silly... it's just a bunch of joystick jockeys who tried to influence a online game and lost... because nobody cared or listened

Next ...... issue a TLDR statement on Reddit and the Forum... christ..... you would think it was the Middle east crisis !!!!


don't hold your breath..... they will be back ....and Catnip and his credit hoes will jump on another PP faction and try the same... watch and see

I'll an eye on your chosen PP faction and see how long until you leave it now that we in the EIC are no longer holding you up in the standings,

 

[Markoz]

Power play is so rotten it cannot be improved. It needs to be redesigned from zero. I would rather have 1.2 back and play CG like in Lugh to determine the future development of the galaxy.

+1 This is exactly how I feel about Power Play.

 

[andyraptor]

I'll an eye on your chosen PP faction and see how long until you leave it now that we in the EIC are no longer holding you up in the standings,

they are'nt holding anything up... we slipped down... they jumped ship... easy

 

[deathmagnet]

they are'nt holding anything up... we slipped down... they jumped ship... easy

If you think EIC withdrawing all support for a power is not going to have a negative effect on that power is delusional. I am not wishing bad things for Zemina Torval, I am just saying. Loosing anyone from power play hurts. Loosing an entire clan really hurts.

 

[iAmLegion]

First just to mention i'm not catnip, i just reposted his post here as i think it was a good thing to do. I am an EIC member though.

There was no reasoned discourse, no useful insight into the workings of PP, and/or ways to improve it. Nope, just some decree with some vague ering about your players being irked. Maybe you should have stayed IC.

The suggestions etc is going to be adressed in a letter to Fdev directly as we are already in talks with them about giving them feedback etc.

Great feedback, huh? Nothing but a list of complaints with no suggestions for improvement. The same stuff that's been rehashed over and over. If the OP wanted to contribute constructively he'd focus instead on the dev-created thread focused on soliciting input on proposed improvements. Or, instead of a disguised PP-rage quit post, create a list of suggested future enhancements to PP. But how the thousandth thread posting the usual list of generic PP-related complaints is "great feedback" is well beyond me, that's for sure.

Also, I have nothing against the OP personally - don't know said individual. But I do have something against rehashing the same discussion over, and over, and over, and over again.

The suggestions etc is going to be adressed in a letter to Fdev directly as we are already in talks with them about giving them feedback etc.
And this was far from a ragequit, we noticed that our members played less and less and discussed how to solve it and this was the solution we concluded was the best one as PP was driving our guild apart, and it has torn a few of the largest groups apart before us i think i know of at least 5 major groups that has either stopped playing or just got ripped apart.

I am also an independent game designer, and from a design perspective, PP has been a catastrophe for ED.

So we are two game designers then in the guild PM me on our forum and i'll discuss some stuff with you.

Don't be silly... it's just a bunch of joystick jockeys who tried to influence a online game and lost... because nobody cared or listened
Next ...... issue a TLDR statement on Reddit and the Forum... christ..... you would think it was the Middle east crisis !!!!
don't hold your breath..... they will be back ....and Catnip and his credit hoes will jump on another PP faction and try the same... watch and see

Tried to influence? We have influenced it, and also lost? We took Torval to second place while at the same time being an abyssmal small part of the playerbase. We did this by playing smart and by the rules and communicate well with other non guild players even though those tools don't really exist. And nobody cares? Checked the reddit thread lately?

 

[Bomba Luigi]

There is a East india company in Space? Where is even East in Space? ^^