Impression after alomost 4 weeks

[Jericho]

Run rares with a Cobra until you can afford an ASP.... Then run rares with the ASP.

Best part about those mutilrole ships is that they can do other stuff besides trading. BTW, the Cobra can haul 36T no problem and still be fit for a fight. The ASP 64T and still be fit for a fight.
A 64T ASP is all you need for a very profitable rares ship.

 

[Sahaj]

good tips there chaps, thanks !

S!

 

[AndiBcool]

Hi Andibcool, interesting what you say regarding mining, never tried it, I always thought there wouldn't be much cr in it, reading your mauled by pirates all the time, but I'm up for trying it.
I haven't had the t6 that long perhaps a couple of hours in real time, used a cobra before, and thinking about going back to it,

Many thanx for heads up.

If you need help on mining let me know. Depending how fast you can jump and dock in your T6 route, mining can be better.
Here is some A grade Cobra http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=702,H9W7u54wt4wt3we0_g,2-6Q6Q6Q5K4s5K6k,0720727RA03w5PU0Yi

However you can also fix some other multicannon instead of the mining laser or do small and medium multicannon and small and medium lasers for bounty hunting.

If your on budget you can try this loadout http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=702,H9W7u55QR5QR3we0_q,2-6u6u6u5K4s5K6k,0720727Re03w5PU0Yi

You can also scoop mining fragments without drone, but it will speed up the collecting.

Depending where you mine you dont get much trouble with pirates. Even if you get some trouble you can try kill him with cobra or boost away.

Usually you get in metallic belts Gold,Osmium, Silver, Platinum, Platin, and that expensive mineral, along with the worthless stuff. Since your refinery has only 5 slots you will throw away the cheap stuff anyway.
Since the cobra has only small cargo storage, it wont take that long untill its full. Platin, Osmium and that Mineral are mining only and you also get some missions at high tech systems for thease. Payout can be 80k or more a piece.
You might try with the T6 but then your mainly defenceless and you cant escape well.

Bounty Hunting on the other side gives you between 5-100k ( sometimes more ) per ship with KWS. I would say usually you will get 20-30k per ship, you can also try bigger ones but in Cobra you will need some practise and also aim for powerplant.
In a Res you can get easy money just by scanning the pirates that try scan you or already in a fight with system units. You will just attack em if they wanted and get not much hits because the system units also attacking.

Its also good if you see some community goals ( combat is always good ) to parcipate a little in em that can help you get some extra credits. Personally i would not bother with trading or mining ones ( ok i bother with that one atm ).

Rare trades i did mention already, can give up to 18k per ton but a lot traveling is involved.

 

[fyonn]

I think normal trading starts with a t9 or conda.

maybe I'm in the wrong, but I disagree with this. you can trade with anything and as much as I hated my T6, I earned quite a lot of money in it. until I could afford an asp. The asp was a real sweet spot for me. Kept that for a long time until I ended up in a T7 which again, I disliked and kept it long enough for my python. Right now I'm earning more money in my python than a friend in a T9 as I can land at outposts.

Not saying that you shouldn't try running rares, mining or bounty hunting, just saying that trading in a T6 is a perfectly respectable thing to do.

 

[AndiBcool]

maybe I'm in the wrong, but I disagree with this. you can trade with anything and as much as I hated my T6, I earned quite a lot of money in it. until I could afford an asp. The asp was a real sweet spot for me. Kept that for a long time until I ended up in a T7 which again, I disliked and kept it long enough for my python. Right now I'm earning more money in my python than a friend in a T9 as I can land at outposts.

Not saying that you shouldn't try running rares, mining or bounty hunting, just saying that trading in a T6 is a perfectly respectable thing to do.

Thats ok its your opinion. I would not bother trading normal commodis with profit of 1300-1400 per t one way ( 10 mins ) or 2700/t per route that takes me 20 mins to complete, if i can only haul 100-200t.

I would just go bounty hunting, more fun and more money.

I also wonder what profit you gain with the python at outposts. How large is your cargo hold ? 260t ? Dont know i dont even use a perfect route on my T9 but i can complete 1 route in 17 mins and make almost 1,4 Mil in federal space.
so thats 3,5 routes if all goes well. That would mean i make 4,9 Mil per hour.
Thats only aceptable for me doin this boring stuff. I only think exploring is more boring.

You can make more then that in a Python ? Well why i bought a T9 then? I have an A Python and T9 with A Thrusters and 6 other ships also. On the other hand the T9 is cheaper in rebuy then my actual Python and booth i got with 20% off.
Dont know i didnt trade aside from some rare trades with the 50t diso corn. But i think i made much more when doin other stuff and community goals ( combat mainly ).

Bought the game 25.3. and played more casual but have now 50 Mil cash and ships worth around 310-330 Mil. The last 2 weeks i didnt even play much maybe 5-8 days 2-3 hours a day and that i did spend mainly on CGs.
The T9 i might have now 2-2,5 weeks now. Used it to buy thrusters and A FSD for it and mainly the price i spend back.

Buying ships now for collection not really for using em. Conda can wait thought, because i have no use for it.

 

[TruffleSnout]

I nicknamed mine Kevin because it was just so competent and boring

lol

The Asp is definitely your best choice at the price slot you're talking about, but as has been said it will cost you some to get there. If you're concerned about the combat capabilities, I'd drop back to the Cobra until you can afford the Asp. Stay away from the Vulture for running cargo. It's doable, but then you'd have a bad cargo hauler with a bad jump range all in an under powered ship.

 

[GluttonyFang]

Fold

Great, as long as you do it in open, I embrace your presence with open arms.

*Ducks before carebear spits in my face*

 

[fyonn]

I would just go bounty hunting, more fun and more money.

yup, and I like bounty hunting too, but just trading can be fun on it's own. it's relaxing and I often do it whilst chatting to a friend online, or watching a tv show. it's calming and relaxing. besides if my 4yo daughter isn't sleeping well then I don't want to be in the middle of a dogfight when she calls out.

I also wonder what profit you gain with the python at outposts. How large is your cargo hold ? 260t ? Dont know i dont even use a perfect route on my T9 but i can complete 1 route in 17 mins and make almost 1,4 Mil in federal space.

my trading python is set up for 276 tons and recently when lucky I've been running 3000cr/t one way and 1400 the other in imperial space. that's around 1.4m on the return I think. those routes aren't always available but they're nice when they are. Your T9 will always make that kind of money however, my python makes it when the dice roll in my favour. when they don't I make less.

once I've saved up some more, I'll put better equipment in the python to handle interdictions and then put together a nice vulture build for some combat too.

anyways, my point was more than one shouldn't consider some activities not worth doing, it's down to the individuals and what they enjoy doing. I certainly wouldn't say that it's only worth trading in a T9 or conda. I've never owned either but then I don't get that much time to play. I'm just pleased I got out of that awful T7

David

 

[Smiffoo]

If you need help on mining let me know. Depending how fast you can jump and dock in your T6 route, mining can be better.
Here is some A grade Cobra http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=702,H9W7u54wt4wt3we0_g,2-6Q6Q6Q5K4s5K6k,0720727RA03w5PU0Yi

However you can also fix some other multicannon instead of the mining laser or do small and medium multicannon and small and medium lasers for bounty hunting.

If your on budget you can try this loadout http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=702,H9W7u55QR5QR3we0_q,2-6u6u6u5K4s5K6k,0720727Re03w5PU0Yi

You can also scoop mining fragments without drone, but it will speed up the collecting.

Depending where you mine you dont get much trouble with pirates. Even if you get some trouble you can try kill him with cobra or boost away.

Usually you get in metallic belts Gold,Osmium, Silver, Platinum, Platin, and that expensive mineral, along with the worthless stuff. Since your refinery has only 5 slots you will throw away the cheap stuff anyway.
Since the cobra has only small cargo storage, it wont take that long untill its full. Platin, Osmium and that Mineral are mining only and you also get some missions at high tech systems for thease. Payout can be 80k or more a piece.
You might try with the T6 but then your mainly defenceless and you cant escape well.

Bounty Hunting on the other side gives you between 5-100k ( sometimes more ) per ship with KWS. I would say usually you will get 20-30k per ship, you can also try bigger ones but in Cobra you will need some practise and also aim for powerplant.
In a Res you can get easy money just by scanning the pirates that try scan you or already in a fight with system units. You will just attack em if they wanted and get not much hits because the system units also attacking.

Its also good if you see some community goals ( combat is always good ) to parcipate a little in em that can help you get some extra credits. Personally i would not bother with trading or mining ones ( ok i bother with that one atm ).

Rare trades i did mention already, can give up to 18k per ton but a lot traveling is involved.

Don't suppose you've got an mining/combat asp expensive and cheap build like you've done there for the cobra, pretty please

 

[Smiffoo]

Asp with shields can carry 84t of cargo and can hold it's own in combat

Do you have a build for that kind sir?

 

[CMDR Weatherwax]

T6 I initially hated the flying brick after my Cobra, but now it's probably the ship I fly most often. I'm at the stage where I can just about afford a Python but only bare bones and that would not be sensible, really want the clipper and working on imperial rank for it as it seems the best bet.

Upgrading pretty much everything barring life support and sensors to A class on a T6 gives you a ship that can escape NPC interdictions easily with a bit of practice, will hold near 100 tonnes with shields (always have shields even if just for a buffer for the occasionally bumpy entrance and landing in stations) and I use chaff, point defence and shield booster on it for the rare occasions I fail the interdiction mini game or submit (remember have destination ready, flight assist off and boost boost jump), I don't bother with weapons as you are never going to win a fight in one, so if you have to shoot you're dead already. It's a good ship to earn reasonable credits whilst trading, especially if like me you are morally compromised and don't mind profiting from human misery and it will land on outposts to avoid the old bill locally *wink wink*.

Against other players you aren't going to have a chance, but that's the same with most trading ships that will get interdicted until you are at Python level and all part of the fun. If you get killed it's minimal rebuy and you can always drop cargo and hope you don't get destroyed in that situation. The other bonus with the T6 is if you do get interdicted and have the A class FSD then very few players will ever be able to follow you if you manage to high wake out.

I'd say it's an ideal ship for what it's supposed to do, which is trading and running until you can afford the bigger ships. Personal preference, but I'd bypass the T7 as that is an absolute nightmare to fly and the additional cargo space is more than offset by all the other negatives.

 

[AndiBcool]

Don't suppose you've got an mining/combat asp expensive and cheap build like you've done there for the cobra, pretty please

Cheap one is a bit hard to decide. You can downgrade the framshift more, maybe the shield generator and booster. You can also choose a different weapon loadout. Some ppl use cannons only in asp. You can use 2 small weapons instead of the mining lasers and go for one medium laser. But i think medium weapons are better.
The Asp is in general not that well for combat and has a weak spot ( powerplant target ) however for mining rare trading and a bit defence this can do: http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=70g,3...5Rr7sh,2-8S8S8S6u6Q8S8I,0AA7Sk05U0aG5Sc03w03w
You might need a bit powermanagement ( put FSD in prio 2 so it gets disabled when weapons get deployed). Otherwise get better powerplant and better other modules.
If you go for rare trading you might want a better FSD and a fuel scoop. A Small Fuel scoop is always good to have but it will cost cargospace.

If you want better modules try this: http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=70g,3...4yH7sh,2-7_7_7_6u6Q8S8I,0AA7Sk05U0a65Sc03w03w
you can also decide if u need shield cell bank you want to scan some systems on the way but that would cost a bit cargospace. Powermangement might help fit in different stuff or better life support and sensors.

Back then i used the Asp mainly for rare trading and some scanning. Did some bounty hunting too but Vulture does that a lot better. I used booth a lot untill i got my Python, but not for mining.

Today i only use Python and T9.

 

[AndiBcool]

yup, and I like bounty hunting too, but just trading can be fun on it's own. it's relaxing and I often do it whilst chatting to a friend online, or watching a tv show. it's calming and relaxing. besides if my 4yo daughter isn't sleeping well then I don't want to be in the middle of a dogfight when she calls out.



my trading python is set up for 276 tons and recently when lucky I've been running 3000cr/t one way and 1400 the other in imperial space. that's around 1.4m on the return I think. those routes aren't always available but they're nice when they are. Your T9 will always make that kind of money however, my python makes it when the dice roll in my favour. when they don't I make less.

once I've saved up some more, I'll put better equipment in the python to handle interdictions and then put together a nice vulture build for some combat too.

anyways, my point was more than one shouldn't consider some activities not worth doing, it's down to the individuals and what they enjoy doing. I certainly wouldn't say that it's only worth trading in a T9 or conda. I've never owned either but then I don't get that much time to play. I'm just pleased I got out of that awful T7

David

Yeah that is decent 3000/t or 4400t per route. Im kinda fine with the steady rate. There might be some better routes but honestly i dont really care much. Might be different when i decide to get a Conda. Today i just bought me a Clipper and will fit it out with A grade. Fly a bit then it gets to storage. Looks really nice inside, to bad i wont use it for anything i think.