Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

[rizal72]

1. We need more U.As. How are people storing them when they eat through the ship?
2. Have we tried recreating the presidents jump? Same fighters, same ships, same jump attempt? With a u.a on board and a sap 8?

3. Ke rash said on that podcast stream that we (you awesome guys) were overthinking it, he said (paraphrasing) "I mean come on your so close, it's so obvious we can't actually give u any clues. But come on! The new stuff I'm 1.3 included Sap8 containers and diamondback, an EXPLORATION VEHICLE, it's right there"

So far no one seems to mention that part of the "statement" from him. I'll try to dig it up and be more accurate with the quote at lunch.

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Here's another idea, what does a UA do to the sap 8 containers in the hold? On a long enough journey would they "eat" the container causing something to happen?

I wonder when he said are u sure it's morse, he meant it. The thing might have morse that accurately gives out info but, THAT STILL CAN BE DECORATION! it would suck if your chasing an angle when all it is is very detailed sound decoration/texturing

This is the first time I read a quote about Kerrash "hint": this for me changes everything.
Sap8 container and Exploration become the first thing to go.
Morse code is there, yes, but perhaps Eolan is right, it is just decoration.
The fact is, that since the beginning, I'm one of those who think that the UA mystery MUST be solved in-game. So, taking it somewhere ("exploration"), together with some other thing (Sap8 container), should be a priority for us. I'd really like to have one of those UA, with all my ships I could really take it anywhere.

Ah, about how people are storing the UA: maintenance unit to constantly repair the ship.

EDIT: the fact that they have added a cheap exploration ship with a long FSD range, could really imply that the UA must be taken in a place where you need a long range FSD... there are some stars that really need at least 30ly range to be reached... Polaris is one of them...

 

[LordZoltan]

Just to repost this in case it was missed. The honk/wails change too....


There seems to be two types of honk/wail.

Type (1) goes low, high, low. In morse it sounds like -.- Listen here => https://www.dropbox.com/s/0x9pco57my42b2v/HONK_LHL.wav?dl=0

Type (2) is a bit less clear, it seems to be high, low, high or perhaps high, low, medium. Morse again is not clear, possible --- or - -- Listen => https://www.dropbox.com/s/gu7z0gkm4coa7re/HONK_HLH.wav?dl=0

Can anyone with a better ear for notes than me pick out, is it HLM HLH?

Also what are the actual notes? For curiosities sake I'm wondering what the *frequencies* of the honk/wail notes are.

Anyway, as far as I can see these always alternate across the cycles, so LHL then next is HLH/M then LHL and so on...

1. Wail [LHL]
2. [morse location block]
3. Purrs
4. Wail [HLH/M]?
5. [morse location block]
6. Purrs
7. GOTO 1 =p

It's hard to suggest any meaning, not likely to be start/end markers, but I suppose they do at least suggest that one complete cycle actually consists of two mini-cycles.

Perhaps it's some sort of decode format for the enclosing purrs, a key in that a LHL=>HL(HM) section is to be decoded slightly differently to the HL(HM) => LHL section?

Hi Bitstorm - sorry, I did see this post yesterday but had so many pages to catch up on that I didn't reply to yours.

I have noticed that the honks are not identical, too, and I think your estimation of h/m/l is about right. We know the Morse is the same after this, either way, so it's a question of whether it signifies any other change in anything else.

The problem we have with that, I'm sure I don't need to say, is that we can't get anything else meaningful from the audio, despite there appearing to be some kind of information there!

So when I noticed these differences in the honks, I just assumed it was a facet of the organic-sounding nature of the honk, versus our own ADS: computers always emit the same sound, whereas two instances of a whale's song or a dog's bark, for example, will never be exactly the same.

I think if we find something else in the rest of the sound, though, there's definitely merit in investigating whether the different honks signify differences in that information.

 

[Ryder35]

Could SAP8 be some sort of clue? Looked it up and it is a real gene (or something like that!):

Secreted aspartic proteinases (Saps) contribute to the virulence of Candida albicans in systemic animal models of infection. Seven genes encoding Saps (SAP1-SAP7) have been identified to date but evidence suggested the existence of additional SAP genes. The screening of a C. albicans lambda EMBL3 genomic library for the presence of other SAP genes was undertaken. Two new genes, SAP8 and SAP9, were isolated. The N-terminal amino acid sequence deduced from SAP8 downstream of a Kex2p-like cleavage site corresponds to the N-terminal amino acid sequence of the 41 kDa Sap isolated and characterized previously. SAP8 mRNA was expressed preferentially in yeasts at 25 degrees C after 6 and 9 h growth in BSA-containing medium. SAP9 encodes an aspartic proteinase with a Kex2p-like cleavage site and contains a putative glycophosphatidylinositol-anchor signal at the C-terminus. Although the SAP9 gene product has not yet been isolated from cultures of C. albicans, transcripts of SAP9 were observed preferentially in later growth phases when SAP8 expression had decreased.

 

[bitstorm]

I think we are looking at letter frequency, i.e. a substitution cipher. 01001 is pretty spot on for "E" and 10110 could be "T". Some caution must be applied, because the encoded text could be non-English. Station or planet names, perhaps.

(Or it could be something else, but let's be scientific about this and test that hypothesis.)

Knocked up a quick script to parse text.

Here's a graph of the letter count on a Guardian article!

http://charts.hohli.com/new/embed.h...sualization":false,"chartType":"ColumnChart"}

Yeah it's hardly going to be what the UA is broadcasting but it does provide an idea of the frequency of certain letters in written English. (I removed space which was by far the most common ~twich that of the letter e)

 

[Commandr Sam]

Sorry if this has been tested before, I try to keep up with this thread but it grows so quickly.

From Kerashes statement that we (you awesome guys) were overthinking it, he said (paraphrasing) "I mean come on your so close, it's so obvious we can't actually give u any clues. But come on! The new stuff I'm 1.3 included Sap8 containers and diamondback, an EXPLORATION VEHICLE, it's right there"

Has anybody taken the UA with the SAP cores to the destination of that exploring mission, that seems some really over the top flavour text for a simple mission so I feel there must be more to it?

 

[LordZoltan]

For those who have (and who've had) the privilege of carrying a UA - what do you think is a reasonable range for carrying one, out of a wing, if you were doing rapid jumps from system to system in, say, an ASP, that was tooled up with maintenance units? I know you take damage on systems you can't repair, but do you think you could get to 300ly out of civ space and back?

I think Wishblend did this but can't be sure, I think getting the UA to a completely undiscovered system and getting a recording of the Morse from there could be useful.

If it's not been done:

Recommend flying out a reasonable distance, taking an ADS honk, check the system map to see if it's been tagged. If not, move to another system very close that contains only a red dwarf or some other very uninteresting star - then drop the UA and record. After recording, of course, take a system scan to double-check that the system was indeed undiscovered.

Might be worth taking a wingman/woman, as backup...

I fully expect the UA Morse to reflect the system name that your ship then gets when doing its DSS.

SO THAT RAISES AN INTERESTING QUESTION:

If it's a scanner, and it's storing its local scans - then it could be carrying a whole load of cartographic data about where it's been... If so, could that data be extracted?

 

[Kulin]

I'm offline for a week now. Only bad phone coverage in the woods.

Signing of with a reminder of this post by Kulin: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&page=63&p=2522751&highlight=maya#post2522751

I feel it has been overlooked. It deserves a bit more attention.

@ Kulin. Never put the nice pics. in an edit. Make a new post. Things move so fast in this thread.

Yes, i also thought that it could be a mistake to put that image there later. But most people are interested only in their own theories anyway. So i thought that it could be a waste of time to try to get their attention.

 

[rizal72]

Sorry if this has been tested before, I try to keep up with this thread but it grows so quickly.

From Kerashes statement that we (you awesome guys) were overthinking it, he said (paraphrasing) "I mean come on your so close, it's so obvious we can't actually give u any clues. But come on! The new stuff I'm 1.3 included Sap8 containers and diamondback, an EXPLORATION VEHICLE, it's right there"

Has anybody taken the UA with the SAP cores to the destination of that exploring mission, that seems some really over the top flavour text for a simple mission so I feel there must be more to it?

What is "that" exploring mission you are referring to? Could be interesting...

 

[Eolan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RD6rmO_28s


from 11 mins onwards.... Hes telling us definitely.... This is encouraging to say the least!

"Please keep looking, and the sap 8 containers as well, there IS something going on just keep looking"


"Frontier are making all these hints, but people aren't putting two and two together in allot of respects, like when the diamondback come available (sic) they reffered to it as an "explorer scout" so if your a long way away you've still got some weaponry!"

"They own more space than we do put it that way ALLOT more... Its very scary"


Seems like we need to just fly a U.A very far away form human space....

 

[rizal72]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RD6rmO_28s


from 11 mins onwards.... Hes telling us definitely.... This is encouraging to say the least!

"Please keep looking, and the sap 8 containers as well, there IS something going on just keep looking"


"Frontier are making all these hints, but people aren't putting two and two together in allot of respects, like when the diamondback come available (sic) they reffered to it as an "explorer scout" so if your a long way away you've still got some weaponry!"

"They own more space than we do put it that way ALLOT more... Its very scary"


Seems like we need to just fly a U.A very far away form human space....

Thanks Eolan, +rep for you.
sap8 and UA definitely together and brought faaaaar away with a ship that can defend itself. BTW, I'm really wondering the reason of a name like sap8 and its meaning. Could be a riddle too.
As the crystal shed inside sap8 has been defined as a kind of map, Ratking15, while you are carrying both items (UA and sap8), how about taking a look at the galaxy map? Perhaps some far permitted system do not require a permit anymore? This has already been suggested, yes, but only about the UA alone, not while carrying both items in your cargo bay.
Polaris, Regor Sector? And so on...

 

[oz42]

Just something that piqued my interest while I was putting together my last post; the official Galnet post about Soontill relics mentioned that there was a human connection http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_Artefact#cite_note-17 - saying something like if the tech was old enough, it would seem alien...

I don't know if it's been tried before but how about placing the UA near to Voyager 1 in the Sol system? If the 'morse' code means something and is based on old earth technology, this might be worth trying. In a Star Trek V'ger way...

 

[Commandr Sam]

What is "that" exploring mission you are referring to? Could be interesting...

The one mentioned here earlier in this thread,

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&page=13&p=2498681&viewfull=1#post2498681

Not sure anyone with a UA is eligible to take this mission?

 

[bitstorm]

From someone who went to LaveCon: "The UA thing isn't a wild goose chase, we are apparently 'close' and there is more awaiting us as and when we work it out." -> https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=165775&p=2529743&viewfull=1#post2529743

Well it's second hand information, we have no idea if that's specifically what was said.

3. Ke rash said on that podcast stream that we (you awesome guys) were overthinking it, he said (paraphrasing) "I mean come on your so close, it's so obvious we can't actually give u any clues. But come on! The new stuff I'm 1.3 included Sap8 containers and diamondback, an EXPLORATION VEHICLE, it's right there"

If I remember rightly (and assuming were talking about the same thing) I don't think that was specifically what was said.

It was more along the lines of, "were close but Frontier feel they cannot give us any clues because it would spoil what's to come.

I'll see if I can dig it out a bit later when I have more time.

 

[Han_Zen]

Yes, i also thought that it could be a mistake to put that image there later. But most people are interested only in their own theories anyway. So i thought that it could be a waste of time to try to get their attention.

I like your theory. That makes us two

 

[bitstorm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RD6rmO_28s


from 11 mins onwards.... Hes telling us definitely.... This is encouraging to say the least!

Ah ok this isn't the one I've seen.

But doesn't this predate the discovery of the morse?

 

[Eolan]

Check the link in my second post from 11 mins onward, that's the thing people were referring to on his stream.

 

[rizal72]

The one mentioned here earlier in this thread,

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&page=13&p=2498681&viewfull=1#post2498681

Not sure anyone with a UA is eligible to take this mission?

Ah that one!
It is perfectly connected with Kerrash hint: sap8, the Crystal and the UA are connected indeed. I don't know if who owns an UA is eligible to take that mission (I don't think so, he needs to bee Elite too), but the purpose of the mission itself is to give us another hint on the whole UA matter. And the mission's conclusion tells us that that crystal is a kind of map, CMDRs...

 

[Kulin]

Definitely not purely random.

- no triples or longer consecutive bit sequences in purr "groups"

- no equal distribution among "groups"

[url]http://cmdrbartmoss.blog.pandemonium.de/files/2015/07/symbols-descending.png[/URL]

The data above includes 111 symbols/purr-groups. (I really need to start calling them bits and bytes, since that terminology is easiest, even if these are not actual "computer bytes"). I did sort it by percentage, this may cause some bias in perception. However, if this were simply random generated bit noise, it wouldn't look like this.

I think we are looking at letter frequency, i.e. a substitution cipher. 01001 is pretty spot on for "E" and 10110 could be "T". Some caution must be applied, because the encoded text could be non-English. Station or planet names, perhaps.

(Or it could be something else, but let's be scientific about this and test that hypothesis.)

This is definetely interesting. But your base data seems wrong to me. There are always 6-7, not 5-6 purrs in a group. If you hear only 5, you need to listen closer. There are very often pretty quiet purrs or purrs within the howl. Most of the time you only hear them, when you play the sound faster. Its also important to consider the pause between the purrs. If there is a too long pause between - for example - the chittering and the first clearly audible purr, then there is very often a pretty quiet purr in the beginning. Or there is a normal purr hidden in a howl. They are very often very hard to hear, especially if they come together with the beginning of the howl and only audible if the sound is played with a different speed and tone height.

The thing that kept my attention to studying this purrs were this quiet purrs. Why should someone try to hide them if they mean nothing? That was always pretty strange to me.

If you want to know more about current UA research this could be interesting:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=142912&highlight=sound+engineers
This could also be interesting if you need more proof, that there are most of the time 7 purrs per sequence:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=143220

 

[Han_Zen]

Ah that one!
It is perfectly connected with Kerrash hint: sap8, the Crystal and the UA are connected indeed. I don't know if who owns an UA is eligible to take that mission (I don't think so, he needs to bee Elite too), but the purpose of the mission itself is to give us another hint on the whole UA matter. And the mission's conclusion tells us that that crystal is a kind of map, CMDRs...

The UA secrets should not require 1.3. New 1.3 content is at best clues.

 

[who?]

Out of curiosity, what happens if you follow a UA convoy with a wake-scanner? Do they keep jumping randomly about, or back and forth between systems, or in a given direction?