Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

[Kulin]

Right due to the pages and pages of activity this has gotten I'm going to just wizzz through them and reply to maybe a few but do tests that are put on the wiki as tests needing to be done as some suggestions.....I can't understand what's being asked and others has have already been said which I know I put on the wiki......also tests sent by pm may be considered.....

Hi Ratking,

I would like to propose a simple test:

One with UA and no SAP-8 and one with UA and SAP 8 out at the same position at about the same time. Best would be to have the SAP 8 not even in cargo. We need to verify if the amount of purrs is dependant to SAP8 or something else.

The reason why is this and the following posts: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2534699&viewfull=1#post2534699

The purrs seem to change significantly when a SAP 8 is around. But we need to test this at (about) the same time and position with and without SAP 8 around.

Not sure if SAP 8 in cargo would influence the test.

 

[Ratking15]

Hi Ratking,

I would like to propose a simple test:

One with UA and no SAP-8 and one with UA and SAP 8 out at the same position at about the same time. Best would be to have the SAP 8 not even in cargo. We need to verify if the amount of purrs is dependant to SAP8 or something else.

The reason why is this and the following posts: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162998&p=2534699&viewfull=1#post2534699

The purrs seem to change significantly when a SAP 8 is around. But we need to test this at (about) the same time and position with and without SAP 8 around.

Not sure if SAP 8 in cargo would influence the test.

Do you just see my post and go: "oh he's posted, he's online lets ignore what he just said and quote it to ask him something he said about in his post"??

PS I think I have done tests where I release only the UA without the SAP 8 and then with it in the past but I'm not sure......in anycase....refer to the above.....also I know this sounds like I'm just raging but I'm not, instead I'm just going wat?, in anycase a test will have to wait as my computer is doing a security scan and such.....

 

[DextersIndignation]

maybe Torval knows about it....

She she seems to be wearing something similar...

Perhaps it is all the rage to wear aliens around ones neck.

 

[BloatedPelican]

Do you just see my post and go: "oh he's posted, he's online lets ignore what he just said and quote it to ask him something he said about in his post"??

PS I think I have done tests where I release only the UA without the SAP 8 and then with it in the past but I'm not sure......in anycase....refer to the above.....also I know this sounds like I'm just raging but I'm not, instead I'm just going wat?, in anycase a test will have to wait as my computer is doing a security scan and such.....

Throwing ideas for tests at you in PMs or on the Wiki doesn't help the community work together for the goal though. I know it's frustrating, but sit in our shoes and have to throw ideas at a few people and HOPE that one of them decides that your idea is good enough. The least we can do is post the idea here as well, that way everyone else can see that the idea already came up and can avoid asking the same thing of you guys.

That's my personal issue with this puzzle thus far, we all can't really do anything. We have only a few artefacts and these poor guys are worked to the bone trying to find solutions. If they where only more common, or something that we all can look at and test with, we would be able to test our ideas out ourselves rather than throw it at a few guys.

/rant

I think having a single place where all the videos, recordings, charts, pictures, analysis' can be listed for easy viewing would benefit everyone, if it doesn't already exist somewhere.

 

[Chaodiurn]

Had a strong signal source coming up in a system around 500 light years away from the bubble today. Got quite excited about it and hoped to find a convoy in it. Sadly, only two FDLs and three Cobras were to be found. Still, I wonder if there are chances of finding one further away from "conquered" space?

 

[Wishblend]

Throwing ideas for tests at you in PMs or on the Wiki doesn't help the community work together for the goal though. I know it's frustrating, but sit in our shoes and have to throw ideas at a few people and HOPE that one of them decides that your idea is good enough. The least we can do is post the idea here as well, that way everyone else can see that the idea already came up and can avoid asking the same thing of you guys.

That's my personal issue with this puzzle thus far, we all can't really do anything. We have only a few artefacts and these poor guys are worked to the bone trying to find solutions. If they where only more common, or something that we all can look at and test with, we would be able to test our ideas out ourselves rather than throw it at a few guys.

/rant

I think having a single place where all the videos, recordings, charts, pictures, analysis' can be listed for easy viewing would benefit everyone, if it doesn't already exist somewhere.

All my linked ua videos are on my twitch highlight page.

http://www.twitch.tv/wishblend/profile

I don't know about Ratking but I think he puts his on utube.

 

[rizal72]

Do you just see my post and go: "oh he's posted, he's online lets ignore what he just said and quote it to ask him something he said about in his post"??

PS I think I have done tests where I release only the UA without the SAP 8 and then with it in the past but I'm not sure......in anycase....refer to the above.....also I know this sounds like I'm just raging but I'm not, instead I'm just going wat?, in anycase a test will have to wait as my computer is doing a security scan and such.....

The "curse" of being "The UA bearer" reminds me very much of Frodo and The One Ring

I don't know if you have seen it among today's posts, but Zenith offered himself to "relive the burden" for a while, just to accept that infamous sap 8 mission that need an Elite Rank, bringing with himself a sap 8 container, and the UA, to see what happens together with the crystal (The Company of the UA). The offer is extended to mrTree as well, being an "UA Bearer" himself.....

.... my preciouuuuussssssssssssss.....

 

[Kulin]

Do you just see my post and go: "oh he's posted, he's online lets ignore what he just said and quote it to ask him something he said about in his post"??

PS I think I have done tests where I release only the UA without the SAP 8 and then with it in the past but I'm not sure......in anycase....refer to the above.....also I know this sounds like I'm just raging but I'm not, instead I'm just going wat?, in anycase a test will have to wait as my computer is doing a security scan and such.....

Ok... i'm not sure what i read when i saw your post. Was a bit in a hurry. Then just forget it. Maybe i'll sent that pm later.

 

[mrtree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RD6rmO_28s


from 11 mins onwards.... Hes telling us definitely.... This is encouraging to say the least!

"Please keep looking, and the sap 8 containers as well, there IS something going on just keep looking"


"Frontier are making all these hints, but people aren't putting two and two together in allot of respects, like when the diamondback come available (sic) they reffered to it as an "explorer scout" so if your a long way away you've still got some weaponry!"

"They own more space than we do put it that way ALLOT more... Its very scary"


Seems like we need to just fly a U.A very far away form human space....

The problem is that neither RatKing (Cobra) nor I (Courier) can switch ships. The UA is cargo & you can't switch ships without selling off all cargo first (I've tried several times).

 

[Zenith]

Currently in Timocani hunting for UA of my own.
Wishblend is up in ,109 Virginia doing much the same.

I can drop everything and head wherever if needed.


And mrtree, if you need someone to hold cargo while you change ship, I can help out. I don't think I'm going anywhere.

 

[mrtree]

Not a wall of text, promise! Just another thing to eliminate/try/update. Like Capital Ship/s, I could not see mention on the Wiki of a test performed in the vicinity of...

Jaques Station.
It has not moved from Gliese 1269 in some time, probably since 1.3 hit. Not new game content but a notable change in content.
I am quite sure I visited it in that system very shortly after 1.3 landed but have only been actively keeping tabs for the past two weeks.
It is odd for such a famously mobile and well-travelled station to be sitting around a short ('close'?) distance beyond the Bubble for so long. Almost like it's waiting for something, or simply not making it impossible for a UA-hauling ship to make it out there..?

I'd be willing to test Jaques station (maybe tonight ~9-10 hours from now). It's not terribly far from where I am.

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Could it be something that flags up when selling cartographic data at a station?

Nope, I've been scanning systems & selling data (as a means of income to keep up with repairs). Nothing changes on selling data, no extra cash or anything. Example: https://youtu.be/jMaXK-P_U8o?t=8m18s

 

[BloatedPelican]

The problem is that neither RatKing (Cobra) nor I (Courier) can switch ships. The UA is cargo & you can't switch ships without selling off all cargo first (I've tried several times).

You dudes could have someone trustworthy to hold onto the artefact while you switch ships.

I personally think the diamondback isn't related to the UA, why would frontier go through all the work to give us a new ship as a 'hint' when there are easier and more effective methods at hinting?

 

[rizal72]

The problem is that neither RatKing (Cobra) nor I (Courier) can switch ships. The UA is cargo & you can't switch ships without selling off all cargo first (I've tried several times).

No, you can't in fact, but what you can do is jettison it and let some other player scoop it with another ship... and so on...

 

[mrtree]

Throwing ideas for tests at you in PMs or on the Wiki doesn't help the community work together for the goal though. I know it's frustrating, but sit in our shoes and have to throw ideas at a few people and HOPE that one of them decides that your idea is good enough. The least we can do is post the idea here as well, that way everyone else can see that the idea already came up and can avoid asking the same thing of you guys.

That's my personal issue with this puzzle thus far, we all can't really do anything. We have only a few artefacts and these poor guys are worked to the bone trying to find solutions. If they where only more common, or something that we all can look at and test with, we would be able to test our ideas out ourselves rather than throw it at a few guys.

/rant

I think having a single place where all the videos, recordings, charts, pictures, analysis' can be listed for easy viewing would benefit everyone, if it doesn't already exist somewhere.

It's not really a matter of picking & choosing what we think is worth a test. I've been trying to go to as many community-suggested places & recording as possible.

RatKing suggested the wiki because it is hard to keep up with this thread. I just went through 10+ pages of posts that happened overnight while I was asleep & now working. I tab the new things or things I need to respond to, but it's almost impossible to keep up. The wiki centralizes what needs testing & any of you can edit it just as easily as RatKing or I can.

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The "curse" of being "The UA bearer" reminds me very much of Frodo and The One Ring

I don't know if you have seen it among today's posts, but Zenith offered himself to "relive the burden" for a while, just to accept that infamous sap 8 mission that need an Elite Rank, bringing with himself a sap 8 container, and the UA, to see what happens together with the crystal (The Company of the UA). The offer is extended to mrTree as well, being an "UA Bearer" himself.....

.... my preciouuuuussssssssssssss.....

I'd be happy to let Zenith have a go at it. But IIRC he's UK(-ish) timezone & I'm US Central (and can only play late at night), so there isn't much overlap between us.

 

[ajwm]

guys / girls. just had a thought / idea and forgive me barging in on this post, being a casual observer not 100% involved, but i just posted on a noob thread that was inquiring about Jaques Station.....got me thinking...Galnet did a big thing on him and his station some time ago and since then its died a death or has it been laying dormant.....think about it...the only station that can travel across the galaxy......FD has not mentioned anything since and yet its quite a thing and quite a potential story line. Just throwing it out there.

 

[Ratking15]

Throwing ideas for tests at you in PMs or on the Wiki doesn't help the community work together for the goal though. I know it's frustrating, but sit in our shoes and have to throw ideas at a few people and HOPE that one of them decides that your idea is good enough. The least we can do is post the idea here as well, that way everyone else can see that the idea already came up and can avoid asking the same thing of you guys.

That's my personal issue with this puzzle thus far, we all can't really do anything. We have only a few artefacts and these poor guys are worked to the bone trying to find solutions. If they where only more common, or something that we all can look at and test with, we would be able to test our ideas out ourselves rather than throw it at a few guys.

/rant

I think having a single place where all the videos, recordings, charts, pictures, analysis' can be listed for easy viewing would benefit everyone, if it doesn't already exist somewhere.

Then why not take it from my view as well since for me to do a test I need time to do it, as it already takes 5 mins to do one release of the UA to near death and then getting to the place of testing can take some time as well along with recording preparation, it comes to maybe 10-20 mins depending on what happens for one test. However for me to find tests on the forums and figure out how to do them if not clearly explained can take a lot longer, today it took me an hour to go through what has been posted. At most I have maybe 4 hours a day free to do whatever I want but I don't want to spend all of that on just this game and it's forums when real life issues are there to be dealt with, so by doing what I ask by just pm'ing me or put on the wiki tests, means that when I have time for a test I can quickly go through them instead of too long on the forums to miss some due to having to scrape through the forums while testing....unless of course you want no tests to be done fast?

Oh also you don't have to send me the first version of your test idea to me and no post it on the forums as people might correct you or make the test better and so far the only tests I haven't done for people are ones which are done by other UA holders before I have the time or they are silly to do in the case we don't have the UA's to spare on shooting at them with faction weapons....maybe so if we get more but now no.

PS this took me 30 mins estimate to type up with going through posts.....

All my linked ua videos are on my twitch highlight page.

http://www.twitch.tv/wishblend/profile

I don't know about Ratking but I think he puts his on utube.

I put mine on youtube in a playlist and twitch as highlights however there is a way to put yours, Wishblend on my youtube channel by making me an editor of your twitch channel....however it allows the possiblility for me to greif if you look into the description of it.

Ok... i'm not sure what i read when i saw your post. Was a bit in a hurry. Then just forget it. Maybe i'll sent that pm later.

I've already seen it and it's easy enough to try just.....can't try without having the SAP 8 on me right now....

 

[bitstorm]

The problem is that neither RatKing (Cobra) nor I (Courier) can switch ships. The UA is cargo & you can't switch ships without selling off all cargo first (I've tried several times).

I'm now UA hunting in an Imperial Courier, if I find one I plan to switch my ship out for my Anaconda asap, I plan to ask someone (probably a current UA holder) to help me with the transfer if possible.

 

[mrtree]

For those who have (and who've had) the privilege of carrying a UA - what do you think is a reasonable range for carrying one, out of a wing, if you were doing rapid jumps from system to system in, say, an ASP, that was tooled up with maintenance units? I know you take damage on systems you can't repair, but do you think you could get to 300ly out of civ space and back?

I think Wishblend did this but can't be sure, I think getting the UA to a completely undiscovered system and getting a recording of the Morse from there could be useful.

If it's not been done:

Recommend flying out a reasonable distance, taking an ADS honk, check the system map to see if it's been tagged. If not, move to another system very close that contains only a red dwarf or some other very uninteresting star - then drop the UA and record. After recording, of course, take a system scan to double-check that the system was indeed undiscovered.

Might be worth taking a wingman/woman, as backup...

I fully expect the UA Morse to reflect the system name that your ship then gets when doing its DSS.

SO THAT RAISES AN INTERESTING QUESTION:

If it's a scanner, and it's storing its local scans - then it could be carrying a whole load of cartographic data about where it's been... If so, could that data be extracted?

This one is harder. I've been doing quite a few longer range jumps (~200Ly, small for explorer, but feels far when you're getting interdicted a lot, having to scoop & your ship is being eaten by a precious cargo you worked hard to get). Not repairing along the way, most of my ship is ~10%+ eaten by the time I reach my destination. So without repairs, you might be able to make a 800-1000Ly trip, but you'd be dead & it would be gone by the end. With two AFMs, maybe it'd be possible to make it a lot further. This (the UA) is my first time using/needing an AFM, despite having done expo journeys of 4000Lys, so I don't know the exact range.

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1. We need more U.As. How are people storing them when they eat through the ship?
2. Have we tried recreating the presidents jump? Same fighters, same ships, same jump attempt? With a u.a on board and a sap 8?

3. Ke rash said on that podcast stream that we (you awesome guys) were overthinking it, he said (paraphrasing) "I mean come on your so close, it's so obvious we can't actually give u any clues. But come on! The new stuff I'm 1.3 included Sap8 containers and diamondback, an EXPLORATION VEHICLE, it's right there"

So far no one seems to mention that part of the "statement" from him. I'll try to dig it up and be more accurate with the quote at lunch.

....

Here's another idea, what does a UA do to the sap 8 containers in the hold? On a long enough journey would they "eat" the container causing something to happen?

I wonder when he said are u sure it's morse, he meant it. The thing might have morse that accurately gives out info but, THAT STILL CAN BE DECORATION! it would suck if your chasing an angle when all it is is very detailed sound decoration/texturing

RE: #2 - We can't exactly repeat Halsey's trip. Because Spaceship One was a Federation Farragut(?) Battlecruiser, which we can't pilot. We also don't know the ship composition of Starflight One (AFAIK) & NPCs are allowed to have larger wings than plays (I've seen up to 6 ships in a wing).

I'm planning on following the Halsey trip (didn't have time to play last night) but keep getting sidelined by testing other thoeries.

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Maybe a bit too obvious, but has anybody with a UA been hitting any signal sources with it inside their cargo hold ? Maybe it could trigger a new event within an instance?

I have not done this, just because I was trying to avoid foolishly losing the UA. I'd be willing to test it, but maybe RatKing could instead (since it's been easier for him to find a wing to fly with than me, which would make it safer).

 

[Grumbleweed]

I think having a single place where all the videos, recordings, charts, pictures, analysis' can be listed for easy viewing would benefit everyone, if it doesn't already exist somewhere.

I agree this is a good idea, and might help with the UA Bearers' burden with people asking the same questions, which is the point of the wiki.

I have created a sub-page on the wiki:
http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_recordings

Please, please, do update that list with as much info as you can find. I have linked it from the main page, but its a bit buried until it becomes more of a complete list.

Same goes for the main wiki page
http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_Artefact

[mini rant?direction=People not editing or updating]
Don't rely on others to update it for you, you don't even have to log in for simple edits, and its a wysiwyg editor, it couldn't really be easier.
[/minirant]

I am back at work now so I can't keep up with the thread like last week, so please, help out and edit the wiki, but remember:

Facts not opinions!

 

[bitstorm]

This one is harder. I've been doing quite a few longer range jumps (~200Ly, small for explorer, but feels far when you're getting interdicted a lot, having to scoop & your ship is being eaten by a precious cargo you worked hard to get). Not repairing along the way, most of my ship is ~10%+ eaten by the time I reach my destination. So without repairs, you might be able to make a 800-1000Ly trip, but you'd be dead & it would be gone by the end. With two AFMs, maybe it'd be possible to make it a lot further. This (the UA) is my first time using/needing an AFM, despite having done expo journeys of 4000Lys, so I don't know the exact range.

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RE: #2 - We can't exactly repeat Halsey's trip. Because Spaceship One was a Federation Farragut(?) Battlecruiser, which we can't pilot. We also don't know the ship composition of Starflight One (AFAIK) & NPCs are allowed to have larger wings than plays (I've seen up to 6 ships in a wing).

I'm planning on following the Halsey trip (didn't have time to play last night) but keep getting sidelined by testing other thoeries.

A relay sort of affair could get it to the core.

Go 1000LY, log off, another player heads to you, take it another 1000LY logs off and so on...

Not sure why you'd want to take it to Sag A or anything at this point in time but still, it's perfectly doable with some teamwork and some folk you trust.