I think you are right about the 7 not 2 2.
I'm also quite confident about the 4 symbol. There has to be a way to write 4s, 14s and 19s.
It's hard to find good images of the second picture.
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I think you are right about the 7 not 2 2.
I'm also quite confident about the 4 symbol. There has to be a way to write 4s, 14s and 19s.
It's hard to find good images of the second picture.
Lol, to clarify though, I feel like Teri Garr (a sceptic) looking at Dreyfuss (a crazed believer) and thinking the same thoughts; "he's lost the plot"..when in fact, well we've all seen the filmOh believe me, I'm about five plates' worth into a massive mash session
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Yes, Polaris was the world where the first contact was made. I think it was the thing described in FFE news(where it never was called by name) as closest thargoid colony and bridge-head. This bridge-head was also described as being north of human space. Thats why i think this "North Star" terminology is the reason why humanity called this direction also "north", even if there is no real north in space.
It was also said that you get closer to thargoid space the more you go north.
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Oh believe me, I'm about five plates' worth into a massive mash session
So long as the creators of the UAs aren't like the aliens in the old Smash ads...
[video=youtube;ND8Bbn9V6as]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND8Bbn9V6as[/video]
Actually, Polaris was the first contact made in FFE, but humanity had encountered the Thargoids elsewhere first. If memory serves, the first confirmed sighting (outside of witch-space interdictions) with a Thargoid fleet happened at Veliaze. The aliens showed up in force after humans began terraforming an ammonia world there. Nobody knows who fired the first shot, but after this incident, the Thargoid wars broke out.Yes, Polaris was the world where the first contact was made. I think it was the thing described in FFE news(where it never was called by name) as closest thargoid colony and bridge-head. This bridge-head was also described as being north of human space. Thats why i think this "North Star" terminology is the reason why humanity called this direction also "north", even if there is no real north in space.
It was also said that you get closer to thargoid space the more you go north.
Unfortunately, like Miackce, Veliaze also appears to have been removed from ED.
So Miackce removed from the game, Veliaze removed from the game, the Voyager removed from the game... Dr. Arcannon removed from this thread... mmmmh...
Has Dr. Arcannon being kidnapped by Thargoids?! Arcannon! Show yourself!
Prove us that you are not in WitchSpace together with the Voyager!
Lol, to clarify though, I feel like Teri Garr (a sceptic) looking at Dreyfuss (a crazed believer) and thinking the same thoughts; "he's lost the plot"..when in fact, well we've all seen the film
awesome.I'm starting to feel like one of the cows by the side of the road!
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Oh wow - I was thinking about those little dudes
Just to add some more thoughts about it...
i have just watched the video from kerrash, and i had one thought.
he said that the Thargoids control much more space than we do.
so...i havnt played the past few games, but i was pretty much interested, so i read some stuff about Thargoids.
There i noticed one thing that might be a clue.
The Thargoids have insane conrol about the Warp/Witch/Hyper - space. They were able to send commanders from deep space into their home systems, they were able to pull them out or redirect them.
And now...the Thargoids are gone.
So what if that "huge amount of space" refers to said Witchspace and not a real space? What if they are hiding in plain sight, inside the Witchspace and we travel through their space all the time without noticing?
I have read that Thargoids can survive in there, that they can basically enter a form of "stasis", while a human being would become insane if we would try that.
Also I have read that the Thargoids are not aggressive towards us, that we have started the war by killing them when they wanted to contact us.
They appeared out of nowhere and went back there, and they were never seen again since then.
They tried to communicate with us based on the lore, but we were to arrogant to accept it. We attacked them, and after several failed attempts to communicate with us - they vanished again.
What if they went away because we attacked them, showed them that we are not advanced enough to cooperate peacefully?
What if the UA/Sap8 is just a probe to see if we are ready now? If we are further developed and have more control about their Space?
So what if they want to contact us again if we show them that we have advanced, that we have learned more about their mastered space and that we have learned to cooperate peacefully (we cooperate through this topic, right?)
What if we need to carry that UA/Sap8 for a very very long distance in any direction (reference to the Diamondback) to trigger the "missjump" where they then contact us? one of them might be the "guide", and the other one allows us to "communicate"?
So the UA might be a communication device since it sends out signals in Morse that we can understand,
while Sap 8 was mentioned as a "map" -> A map is a guide, what if it is not meant to show us a physical starsystem where we find them? What if it is a guide that guides us through witchspace towards them, and all we need to do is stay in there as long as possible for it to activate (insanely long jump)?
i have just watched the video from kerrash, and i had one thought.
he said that the Thargoids control much more space than we do.
so...i havnt played the past few games, but i was pretty much interested, so i read some stuff about Thargoids.
There i noticed one thing that might be a clue.
The Thargoids have insane conrol about the Warp/Witch/Hyper - space. They were able to send commanders from deep space into their home systems, they were able to pull them out or redirect them.
And now...the Thargoids are gone.
So what if that "huge amount of space" refers to said Witchspace and not a real space? What if they are hiding in plain sight, inside the Witchspace and we travel through their space all the time without noticing?
I have read that Thargoids can survive in there, that they can basically enter a form of "stasis", while a human being would become insane if we would try that.
Also I have read that the Thargoids are not aggressive towards us, that we have started the war by killing them when they wanted to contact us.
They appeared out of nowhere and went back there, and they were never seen again since then.
They tried to communicate with us based on the lore, but we were to arrogant to accept it. We attacked them, and after several failed attempts to communicate with us - they vanished again.
What if they went away because we attacked them, showed them that we are not advanced enough to cooperate peacefully?
What if the UA/Sap8 is just a probe to see if we are ready now? If we are further developed and have more control about their Space?
So what if they want to contact us again if we show them that we have advanced, that we have learned more about their mastered space and that we have learned to cooperate peacefully (we cooperate through this topic, right?)
What if we need to carry that UA/Sap8 for a very very long distance in any direction (reference to the Diamondback) to trigger the "missjump" where they then contact us? one of them might be the "guide", and the other one allows us to "communicate"?
So the UA might be a communication device since it sends out signals in Morse that we can understand,
while Sap 8 was mentioned as a "map" -> A map is a guide, what if it is not meant to show us a physical starsystem where we find them? What if it is a guide that guides us through witchspace towards them, and all we need to do is stay in there as long as possible for it to activate (insanely long jump)?
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Yes, Polaris was the world where the first contact was made. I think it was the thing described in FFE news(where it never was called by name) as closest thargoid colony and bridge-head. This bridge-head was also described as being north of human space. Thats why i think this "North Star" terminology is the reason why humanity called this direction also "north", even if there is no real north in space.
It was also said that you get closer to thargoid space the more you go north.
There were 4 important systems in the FFE Thargoid story:
- Pleione, 4b (32,32) where Turners Quest was lost.
- Polaris, 3d (0,76) where first contact is made. Now a permit system.
- Miackce (37,144) where you are taken by the Thargoids. Not in ED GalMap.
- Hotice 1 (-3,-2) where Mycoid virus and Mycoid antidote is manufactured. Not in ED GalMap, but should be in human (imperial) space.
Yes, but when i talk about contact i mean some kind of "conversation". I think it was the place where the player was able to obtain that thargoid ship.
Some food for thought from Lazerus's post.
A lot has happened over the last few days, can I just confirm we've tried to see if the Sap 8 provides a Morse reading for the UA?
A lot has happened over the last few days, can I just confirm we've tried to see if the Sap 8 provides a Morse reading for the UA?
Yes. But the morse did not change. We had a strange change in the purrs however. This post is a good entry point if you want to read more about it.
It was the first time i've actively watched for the purrs and found a video with so few purrs. But after that i started searching for more.
The purrs in this old video by red wizzard are also different, with no SAP 8 involved: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKT6CVKclZg
Have not found more of this examples. Not sure what brings the UA to emit less purrs. But i think this is the hottest lead we have at the moment.
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Apologies if this has already been covered.... I was thinking last night on what these UA's actually ARE.
Options:
1. Alien cargo - ok, but how did they get there - there's no sign of a drop-off ship, no sign of internal drives or movement from them
2. Alien probes - if we assume for a second that like us, whoever created them is capable of system wide scans (as per our advanced disco scanner), they must be communicating that data to something eventually or providing a live data feed
3. Alien ship - nope. Don't think it is
4. Alien nav beacon. This one is interesting. Could they be the equivalent of our "nav beacons" - providing a point of reference for ships arriving?
5. Weapons of some sort. Biological? Are we going to see any systems that they're sold in coming down with mysterious illness?
What do we know:
They make noises. Unintelligible noises.
They hurt ships if they're scooped
They expire
They appear to have an internal power source that causes them to do things, not least of which, make noise
They aren't scannable for subsystem info
They can be sold on the black market for a reasonable sum
The ships that they're dropped from are having a chat about them. There's a transcript somewhere. I don't recall whether anyone with a wake scanner has tried following the ships that are carrying them and listening to the messages between the ships, mapping their destination etc.
They appear to spawn early in the week, and once scooped, the spawn rate drops off
We've been told "have you listened to them". I still maintain that "them" is the operative word. Not 1 or two, but more.
We've also been told that there IS something to discover that we've not seen so far.
I believe people have shot them - with a variety of weapons - thermal, kinetic etc. Not sure if the noise changes when they've been shot by energy weapons - plasma? They're quite funky when they blow up.
People have taken them to different locations to see whether the signal changes, including dumping them in stations/near stations (Once again, I don't know what the outcome of this is - if they were nav beacons, could they give off different signals in different locations in the same manner as our own ones do?)
Options:
1. Alien cargo - ok, but how did they get there - there's no sign of a drop-off ship, no sign of internal drives or movement from them
2. Alien probes - if we assume for a second that like us, whoever created them is capable of system wide scans (as per our advanced disco scanner), they must be communicating that data to something eventually or providing a live data feed
3. Alien ship - nope. Don't think it is
4. Alien nav beacon. This one is interesting. Could they be the equivalent of our "nav beacons" - providing a point of reference for ships arriving?
5. Weapons of some sort. Biological? Are we going to see any systems that they're sold in coming down with mysterious illness?
What do we know:
They make noises. Unintelligible noises.
They hurt ships if they're scooped
They expire
They appear to have an internal power source that causes them to do things, not least of which, make noise
They aren't scannable for subsystem info
They can be sold on the black market for a reasonable sum
The ships that they're dropped from are having a chat about them. There's a transcript somewhere. I don't recall whether anyone with a wake scanner has tried following the ships that are carrying them and listening to the messages between the ships, mapping their destination etc.
They appear to spawn early in the week, and once scooped, the spawn rate drops off
We've been told "have you listened to them". I still maintain that "them" is the operative word. Not 1 or two, but more.
We've also been told that there IS something to discover that we've not seen so far.
I believe people have shot them - with a variety of weapons - thermal, kinetic etc. Not sure if the noise changes when they've been shot by energy weapons - plasma? They're quite funky when they blow up.
People have taken them to different locations to see whether the signal changes, including dumping them in stations/near stations (Once again, I don't know what the outcome of this is - if they were nav beacons, could they give off different signals in different locations in the same manner as our own ones do?)
So I have been unable to play much at the moment but have been keeping an eye on the thread. Just wondering about the "morse" type of patterns that have been noted int he sound from the UA.
these guys are programmers and mathematicians who code the game...... Binary codes are their thing, Cobol, ASCI etc
Below are a couple of quotes that make me think we need to focus on discounting the different forms of Binary from 4bit to >8bit codes. we may also need to deal with Vectors too.
- Morse is a binary encryption.
- Drew got us running about with Trigonometry and binary codes even Rot-13 etc.
- I am wondering if these codes are actually numbers. Distances or angles to other stars... much like the Voyager placks
- Binary is the universal mathematical base
- Maths is the universal language
these guys are programmers and mathematicians who code the game...... Binary codes are their thing, Cobol, ASCI etc
Below are a couple of quotes that make me think we need to focus on discounting the different forms of Binary from 4bit to >8bit codes. we may also need to deal with Vectors too.
thats not what i meant.
what if the morse is just there to show us that THEY know how to contact us? that THEY can understand us? maybe there is no code at all, and it just communicates with us, it tells us how our things are called in thargoid-morse?
What if it is just a communication device that connects both of our languages, and the "Sap 8 Map" is a guide through witchspace?
So a Diamondback or any other ship with a very long jumprange needs to carry both, the map and the communicator, jump through their space and trigger the missjump where they then wait for us?
Maybe it is that easy, and the whole search for a code is just overthinking?
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If a miss-jump is required and the UA causes components to fail it would seem to make sense to keep jumping with the UA and don't repair any damage to the frame shift drive.
maybe its allready enough to just stay in the "witchspace" for long enough, thats why the Diamondback was mentioned (longer jump = longer time...basically)
The region referred to was Deep Space, When I jumped in to 109 Virginis, I targeted the main sun and turned away and fly out till my identifier at the bottom left of my hud said deep space.
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