I don't see how CQC is relevant to this at all. It's an arena type competition, separated from the galaxy so not really MMO.
You are making the common mistake of thinking that people who worry about Open simply want some human targets to pew pew.
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You are making the common mistake of thinking that people who worry about Open simply want some human targets to pew pew.
A 1 for 1 player to npc might be a little too hard to script and punishing to individual players. Imo the better way to do it would be just increase the chances npcs matching the players instead of a direct match.
This was the gist of my idea.
When I went to Lembava (in Solo) it felt like every other system I'd ever jumped into. There were 3 or 4 NPC ships in SC, and when I dropped into the station instance there were 6 or 7. I was expecting to see dozens of ships (mostly Asps) at the station, and a dozen or more in SC on the way there. Even if all of them were friendly Asps with no weapons, it still would have made my experience in Solo more enjoyable by dint of the fact that it would have felt like something was actually happening in that system.
I don't understand why they purport to me an MMO when people can just drop into Solo mode to avoid any kind of PVP interaction.
I also don't understand why they let SOLO player actions fully count towards powerplay.
At least make it only 50% effective as doing the same in Open.
I get that some people want to fly solo and just have a PVE experience. (i.e boring grind forever)
But how can an open player blockade a system or interact with other players.. if they never see the other player ?
I spent several hours the other day looking to stop some ongoing fortification - never saw another player to inderdict but their fort % was going up and up.
Usual story.
Once you have a decent ship and some money saved up, the only fun thing left to do is PVP.
I also don't understand why they let SOLO player actions fully count towards powerplay.
At least make it only 50% effective as doing the same in Open.
I get that some people want to fly solo and just have a PVE experience. (i.e boring grind forever)
But how can an open player blockade a system or interact with other players.. if they never see the other player ?
I spent several hours the other day looking to stop some ongoing fortification - never saw another player to inderdict but their fort % was going up and up.
Usual story.
Once you have a decent ship and some money saved up, the only fun thing left to do is PVP.
No, my point still stands. A COD style arena does not an mmo make.
I see your point but if warthunder jumped off a bridge should elite do it too?
It may meet the bare minimum to be called an mmo. That's like calling portal an fps because it is first person and you have a gun that shoots. It may technically be correct but you'll upset a lot of people doing by doing it.
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For you perhaps.
OK, see guys, now we're starting have constructive dialog.
So we don't clone. Perhaps as Jordan Cobalt mentions it just increases chances? So maybe there are 12 Annies in open, and when I drop in there in Solo I see one or two? Or none? Or all 12? Depending on the RNG?
The point is not to gimp Solo, which to be honest feels quite disconnected from the happenings of the Galaxy (see my previous Lembava example), but to make systems in Solo have a level of traffic that is commensurate with the level of traffic (plus or minus based on RNG) they have in Open. That's all my suggestion was about.
Edit to add: And the reverse can be true as well. If there are 1,000 players in Solo in a system at any given time doing Power Play fortifying, then Open players will see a commensurate increase (again plus or minus, based on RNG) in NPC fortifying activity.
So we don't clone. Perhaps as Jordan Cobalt mentions it just increases chances? So maybe there are 12 Annies in open, and when I drop in there in Solo I see one or two? Or none? Or all 12? Depending on the RNG?
The point is not to gimp Solo, which to be honest feels quite disconnected from the happenings of the Galaxy (see my previous Lembava example), but to make systems in Solo have a level of traffic that is commensurate with the level of traffic (plus or minus based on RNG) they have in Open. That's all my suggestion was about.
Edit to add: And the reverse can be true as well. If there are 1,000 players in Solo in a system at any given time doing Power Play fortifying, then Open players will see a commensurate increase (again plus or minus, based on RNG) in NPC fortifying activity.
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Something I have mused over before - simply blocking the remote persons IP.
However, you do periodically check-in to the main servers for various things - if you modify the code such that in the event of a combat log your own client "checks in" then if both of you logged in the servers would know that they didn't combat log but merely lost communication between each other. End result - your victory over the play is changed to a victory over an NPC.
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but WarThunder IS apparently an MMO. is CQC not a similar thing?
Top hit in google
"WarThunder FREE MMO game.. Free Military Online MMO Game Sign up for World War 2 Simulation"
I do not think Las Ketchup were musical artists....... but my individual thoughts on the matter are irrelevant, they ARE / Were whether I like it or not.
(now whether they were any good or not.... now there is a different discussion right there and one where my opinion may be more relevant
)No, my point still stands. A COD style arena does not an mmo make.
I see your point but if warthunder jumped off a bridge should elite do it too?
It may meet the bare minimum to be called an mmo. That's like calling portal an fps because it is first person and you have a gun that shoots. It may technically be correct but you'll upset a lot of people doing by doing it.
edit i read this after i posted........ in response.. LOL +1
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No I'm not. I'm saying that the video game, henceforth refered to as "Elite: Dangerous", can be referred to as an "MMO" without any argument from anyone as soon as CQC is released across all platforms. Because at that point it has a multiplayer arena mode.
If World of Tanks suddenly offered a broad single player campaign would that game no longer be an "MMO"?
Buy that logic the MMO World of Tanks is not an MMO.
It's not and if this was the WOT forum, I would be arguing just that.
A couple of observations...
Firstly, do you know that FD don't already do what you are proposing, to a level that they feel is fair or correct? Other than random NPC traffic and interdictions, any time you take a mission, (and therefore presumably in PP and CG's too), the game generates NPC content specifically for you.
Secondly, QziQza does have a point, that what may seem like a small change can have more wide ranging consequences. To use your example of 12 Anaconda players trying to blockade a station, so putting a similar number of equivalent NPCs into everyone's instance is actually very unbalanced, as presumably only a percentage of Open players would be instanced with the player Anacondas, yet every Solo player would have them as opposition, making Solo very much more challenging than Open, much less fair, to use the Open only people's argument back at them.
you tend to have a much calmer way of putting things.. i'm having a painful day so all my posts are will be bit pointy and jagged like the thistles, well at least until the medication kicks in, then i'll be all pretty colours, bluebells and highland moss lol.
Thanks for the reminder! <grabs pill bottle>
Sorry to hear you're having a bad day. Mine is just starting, so who knows how it will go.
See, some good comes from this thread after all!
no worries.. i either used to forget to take my pills, or take extra doses.. memory is baaad! my youngest daughter set up repeat reminders in my diary so i cant forget anything.. every now and then i get a 'i love you' message, and the occasional 'maybe you should buy something nice for me' message. she rocks harder than ozzy!!
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Sorry to hear you're having a bad day. Mine is just starting, so who knows how it will go.
See, some good comes from this thread after all!
thanks faded, i appreciate that
hopefully your day will be candyfloss and dodgems, rather than messy cat6 cabling and barking dogsWanted to discuss this one separate from my previous post.
Obviously I wouldn't know without access to source code. However, when I drop into System A and see half dozen NPCs in SC, then drop into a station and see another half dozen NPCs, and I look at the traffic report (which presumably sorta-shows Player traffic) I see 2 Asps, and I'm one of them. Then I get to System B. Again I see 6 NPCs in SC and 6 at a station. I look at that traffic report and I see 500 Sidewinders, 300 Eagles, 35 Asps, 6 Pythons and a T9. At that point I have to ask myself, why wasn't the NPC traffic any higher in this system than it was in System A? That has been my observation. The only systems I see with regularly higher levels of NPC traffic are the ones that have higher numbers of stations.
Setting aside the modes altogether - if there is a 200% increase in Player traffic in a system (regardless of mode they were in), then I'd like to see a 200% increase in NPC traffic (for ALL modes - not just solo).
Just because you don't like Wargaming.net having its game listed as MMOs, does not change that they are now part of the MMO world, same goes for Robocraft and every other arena stlye game.
CQC is the same style, so it will fall under it - you can stick your fingers in your ears and scream la la la all you want, it neither advances your points nor makes you look clever.
They are MMOs and FD are copying that style so the PvP crowd have their pew pew MMO arena (and I'm all for it and hyped for it).
I did post the most common definitions of MMO in my wall of information, if you care to read it.
Page 1, Post 3.
As for earnings in each mode, if you choose to share your in game time with others, why should I have to suffer that?
It was your choice to share your in game time, not mine - so the rewards are balanced quite nicely, they are balanced in favor of personal choice.
I don't come here crying when I spend 2 hours in a wing of 3 at a RES and earn less, it's called accepting ones choice and the consequences of that choice.
oh there is definately some merit to a few of trufflesnouts ideas.. the copy paste blockade is a nono in my mind.. thats a pvp tactic, and doesn't form any part of anything that fd have in place, and pretty much fly's in the face of the kind of meaningful interaction dbobe is wanting in game. my sharpness towards tufflesnoot was based on the single expression that always sets me off.. associating SOLO players with the word FEAR.. such simple derision, yet reeks of elitism, and a lack of respect and understanding for a large portion of the community who forgo the pleasures of open for a myriad of reasons.
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