For the first time in months, I felt something playing this game

Spog

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Are you another one of these people who can't distinguish between a game and 'real life'?

No.......

But one finds that a person's behaviour ingame and in real life, while not the same, are not unconnected. Thus the question.
 
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People seem to have misunderstood. Perplexing as I'm pretty sure that's never happened on the internet before.

This was a terminal experiment. My last attempt to sample what other people do in this game. I'd been blazing my own path and detested it. I tried blazing other people's paths instead, as recommend right here on these forums, because the take-home message from this charming parlour is that if you don't enjoy the game there is something wrong with you.

None of them were a satisfying use of my free time. The only thing left was to see if there was any adrenaline or seratonin available from acting out the part of a monster in the heart of society. There is, but very briefly, and it's an exceedingly mean and narrow kind of pleasure. The main utility of it was to highlight just how shallow and unbelievable this game's universe is.

I'm "done", as our Atlantic cousins say. Not bothering with ED again until the paid expansions which I myopically pre-paid for in PB come out. Thank you to those who suggest I might enjoy this, that or the other instead, but TLDR: I already did.

Doesn't bode well for the other game which I'm prohibited from mentioning, really.

There's always a few who understands what you did and why, even if a lot of people are not ready to embrace the results. Well done again!
 

Spog

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There's always a few who understands what you did and why, even if a lot of people are not ready to embrace the results. Well done again!


Interesting. Would you have done the same? Would you blast a bunch of new players who couldn't possibly fight back, just for the hell of it?

Have you?
 
Where would this Forum be if there wasn't an "I Quit" thread every day...sigh.
OP, maybe stop using the OP toys and challenge yourself a bit.
Maybe buy a different ship and do something else for a while.
I got bored of my Vulture for the same reasons so now I've got an Asp I'm outfitting and then see what I can do with it.

Failing that, have a look in when the next update drops.
 
Interesting. Would you have done the same? Would you blast a bunch of new players who couldn't possibly fight back, just for the hell of it?

Have you?

I don't have to - he's done the experiment and got the result which I find genuine and descriptive.
 

Spog

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I don't have to - he's done the experiment and got the result which I find genuine and descriptive.

That's an evasive answer. But it'll do.

I think a lot of us "understands (sic) what [he] did and why" but fewer would care to "embrace the results" or slap him on the back for it.
 
That's an evasive answer. But it'll do.

I think a lot of us "understands (sic) what [he] did and why" but fewer would care to "embrace the results" or slap him on the back for it.

I wouldn't do it personally, but human nature is what it is.
 
No.......

But one finds that a person's behaviour ingame and in real life, while not the same, are not unconnected. Thus the question.

This may be true for you on a personal level, but attempting to extrapolate that to all people and all behaviour is a stretch. Your question was also heavily loaded. To question whether he is like this in real life is facile. What we have here is a case of somebody messing about in a game due to boredom. Trying to equate this to some level of social disfunction in real life is not only plainly insulting but also not very clever, just another example of cod psychology on the internet I'm afraid.
 

Spog

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This may be true for you on a personal level, but attempting to extrapolate that to all people and all behaviour is a stretch. Your question was also heavily loaded. To question whether he is like this in real life is facile. What we have here is a case of somebody messing about in a game due to boredom. Trying to equate this to some level of social disfunction in real life is not only plainly insulting but also not very clever, just another example of cod psychology on the internet I'm afraid.

I agree with none of that. If you were a new player and someone more experienced, in a craft much better equipped, just came along and blasted you, would you think "here's somebody just messing about in a game due to boredom"?

I have heard people express views on just that subject and none of them that I recall were of that mind. Except you apparently.
 
I agree with none of that. If you were a new player and someone more experienced, in a craft much better equipped, just came along and blasted you, would you think "here's somebody just messing about in a game due to boredom"?

I have heard people express views on just that subject and none of them that I recall were of that mind. Except you apparently.

That would actually be my most likely response, or something along those lines. If not boredom, then somebody who simply enjoys the hunt and pvp. As it happens I have had that happen to me, both in this game and in EVE. What I did not do was immediately jump to the conclusion that it was some kind of personal attack upon me, or that the person in question was a psychopath or somehow suffering from severe anti-social tendencies. This is because I can distinguish between behaviour in a game, which conforms to the rules and inherent logic of the game, and behaviour in the real world. Apparently some people struggle with this.

Edit; If the op had been throwing insults at players, attempting to demean them or repeatedly harassing the same player my view would be different. You see, this is where learning to distinguish between types of behaviour is helpful.
 
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Meanwhile, I've found a region of space just past the core that is full of black holes and am quite happily first discovering my 43rd in the space of a couple hours.

I've done the other stuff enough and it's not enough to keep me entertained and, until cqc comes to the pc, I'm enjoying the peaceful quiet of exploration in totally uncharted space quite fun.
 

Spog

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That would actually be my most likely response, or something along those lines. If not boredom, then somebody who simply enjoys the hunt and pvp. As it happens I have had that happen to me, both in this game and in EVE. What I did not do was immediately jump to the conclusion that it was some kind of personal attack upon me, or that the person in question was a psychopath or somehow suffering from severe anti-social tendencies. This is because I can distinguish between behaviour in a game, which conforms to the rules and inherent logic of the game, and behaviour in the real world. Apparently some people struggle with this.

Edit; If the op had been throwing insults at players, attempting to demean them or repeatedly harassing the same player my view would be different. You see, this is where learning to distinguish between types of behaviour is helpful.

Two quotes from the OP........

"And it was so easy. I literally laughed out loud at how easy it was."

and

"For the first half of my rampage, I "advertised" my presence in the system as a "psycho". I warned players I was coming after them by crooning their names and giggling. I did pseudo-Gollum impressions. I stopped in the middle of fights to type out Wham! and Kajagoogoo lyrics. "

I'll repeat what I said before, behaviour ingame and out of it are not the same, but as they are manifested by the same person we must believe they are not unconnected.
 
Two quotes from the OP........

"And it was so easy. I literally laughed out loud at how easy it was."

and

"For the first half of my rampage, I "advertised" my presence in the system as a "psycho". I warned players I was coming after them by crooning their names and giggling. I did pseudo-Gollum impressions. I stopped in the middle of fights to type out Wham! and Kajagoogoo lyrics. "

I'll repeat what I said before, behaviour ingame and out of it are not the same, but as they are manifested by the same person we must believe they are not unconnected.

And you think that real psychopaths run around shouting 'I'M A PSYCHO, WAKE ME UP BEFORE YOU GO GO!'? Seriously?...

You also missed his point... he was laughing at how easy it was because it demonstrated some of the glaring faults in this game, not gleefully reveling in the misery of others. You need to read and understand his post more closely.
 
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Spog

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And you think that real psychopaths run around shouting 'I'M A PSYCHO, WAKE ME UP BEFORE YOU GO GO!'? Seriously?...

You also missed his point... he was laughing at how easy it was because it demonstrated some of the glaring faults in this game, not gleefully reveling in the misery of others. You need to read and understand his post more closely.

I never called him a psychopath, nor did I mean to. That's your term.

And I may have missed his point, it's not for me to say, but I'm quite clear on mine. He at all times showed a complete disregard for other, novice, players, which I find troubling.

I think some contributors to this thread are so bedazzled by his articulacy, which is considerable, that they fail to see how utterly self-absorbed his behaviour is.
 
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May I have a theoretical question?

What if I would like to set up a squad and go out to hunt down explorers in deep space?
Let's say we start shooting down commanders 10k+ ly out of the civilized space, for example on the way to Sag A which is a place of pilgrimage anyway.
Technically it's possible and I'm sure there would be a lot of judgements on the action.

But my question is this (and we could consider it as another experiment):
- is it the actual action what is important in exploring or the reward in credits/pilot rating?

In other words:
- is it the self-motivated, immersive experience why people go out for exploring or the in-game reward the system provides?

ED is a game. We can not loose anything and what we can win is an experience.
Of course it's the mindset what matters and what generates the feelings and judgements and the concept of what is right or wrong. The game itself does not prevent nor encourage anyone to do anything but provides some tools and feedbacks encoded into the system.
What is possible to do in a game because the game allows you to do is a valid gameplay.
Fuel Rats help commanders who run out of fuel - a valid gameplay. Other players shoot newbies in starter systems - another valid gameplay. Both are helpful: either directly for the commander or indirectly for a community.
 
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Morwys was just as struck as I am and I mostly agree with his post. Except for that part about Korean MMOs. In the ones I've at least heard about, if you feel like grinding your heart out for two thousand hours to get some ridiculous gear and go PvP as a god, you can go nuts. At the end of it all, you are left with something that you can use in the greater scheme of the game. If you grind for thousands of hours in Elite, you are just left with a glazed over look and a sickly feeling in your stomach. Feel like trading to earn the big bucks? Better have Netflix up on a second screen or insanity awaits. Want to get top rank with your faction of choice? Spend a couple of years doing normal missions or prepare to log in and out of the game to turn in 3000 charity ones. Want to get top rank in Powerplay? Forget actually helping your faction. Go kill 500 defenseless NPCs or prepare to log in every half hour 24/7 to haul papers. Do this for the rest of your Elite career, because merits are radioactive isotopes with a half life of one week. Accumulated a billion credits and decked out your Conda? Congratulations you are literally done with Elite 2015.

"Elite: Dangerous - Korean MMOs are better for you"

Well, I can't argue with that. It's true, in grind-farm RPG games you at least get a clear sense of accomplishment and advancement, even in the most jaded FTP MMORPG: you get a positive and clear feedback when you level up, you progress through regions and dungeons, you find progressively better loot and equip... you go somewhere. It might not be the best of places, but in ED you have a whole galaxy to go to, but in the end, it's all the same, all alike, so in reality in end up going nowhere. It's all about the grind for grinding only. In other games, currency is a way of getting stuff; here, it's the point and purpose of the game itself. After you do it all, there always one thing left: to do it all again. Rinse and repeat.

Yeah, I stand correct. ED is falling behind even those games.
 

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I think the take home message is that ED is very much a work in progress.

If this is the case, that a game launched eight months ago is still a work in progress - given the current state of affairs in the gaming industry it might very well be the case - then we have a much bigger problem.
 
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