For the first time in months, I felt something playing this game

[Raidiant]

Really?



And in your view this is fine. I feel sorry for you.

I have grandchildren, and when they are with me they sometimes play this game. I insist they play solo purely to avoid people like yourself who like to inflict upon them the kind of thing the OP has indulged in. I cannot adequately express how I feel about you, the OP, and his supporters. Were I to do so I'd be banned. Ironic.

To be fair thats exactly why Fronier put in group play and solo, they clearly see the problems of having a pure open PVP game without an option to switch it off.

However if you choose to play in open and killing is fair play. You could say the OP roleplayed a killer psycho pilot in an A rate vulture. I don't think anything he did broke any rules, apart from challenged the lack of responsiveness in frontiers emulation.

If solo and group play didn't exist, I would consider what he did to be griefing, but since they DO exist, all those players were knowingly participating in possible PVP, and if players get upset about losing a sidewinder in open pvp, then maybe well this game isn't for them at all, and I prefer it to be that way.

 

[Surly_Badger]

You do know this is a game, right? As in "entertainment"?

If you have issues dealing with your existential angst and incipient sociopathy, you probably won't find answers here; you might do better to study philosophy or talk to a therapist. Other players in-game aren't signed up to be unwitting fodder for flailing man-rage, any moreso than your co-workers or strangers on the bus.

 

[Renegade Roach]

It's curious that those who talk about 'sociopaths' and lack of empathy or social skills have been the ones throwing insults, casting aspersions on the mental state of others, insinuating unsavoury things about other people's personality and attempting to stonewall points of view and justifying it with pure assumption. Oh, not to mention the blatant sexism that was displayed by invoking the old patriarchal crap about the weakness of women.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[medwyn]

It's curious that those who talk about 'sociopaths' and lack of empathy or social skills have been the ones throwing insults, casting aspersions on the mental state of others, insinuating unsavoury things about other people's personality and attempting to stonewall points of view and justifying it with pure assumption. Oh, not to mention the blatant sexism that was displayed by invoking the old patriarchal crap about the weakness of women.

Pot meet kettle.

Nailed this one thoroughly

 

[Spog]

To be fair thats exactly why Fronier put in group play and solo, they clearly see the problems of having a pure open PVP game without an option to switch it off.

However if you choose to play in open and killing is fair play. You could say the OP roleplayed a killer psycho pilot in an A rate vulture. I don't think anything he did broke any rules, apart from challenged the lack of responsiveness in frontiers emulation.

If solo and group play didn't exist, I would consider what he did to be griefing, but since they DO exist, all those players were knowingly participating in possible PVP, and if players get upset about losing a sidewinder in open pvp, then maybe well this game isn't for them at all, and I prefer it to be that way.

You seem to be suggesting then that Open play is basically a pit where the worst elements get to indulge themselves. Ok. At least it's been said now.

 

[Surly_Badger]

You seem to be suggesting then that Open play is basically a pit where the worst elements get to indulge themselves. Ok. At least it's been said now.

You seem to be acknowledging that the worst elements do, in fact, indulge themselves in Open. It's unfortunate, but sandbox games do seem to bring out some people's inner sociopath.

Like in the real world, people who don't like being fodder for sociopaths cross the street, avoid them where they hang out, and try not to encourage them. That's why when some gamer freak wordlessly attacks me (I only play Open) I simply run away so that they can enjoy their frustrated rage by themselves. Open play doesn't have to be a freak-show: you can evade almost all of them simply by not going where they stake out, and being prepared to run (not fight; that just plays into their game) and otherwise do the thing that ruins their entire pathetic existence: have a good time without them.

Open play isn't a pit. But there are some truly pitiful gamers who hang out there, trying to drag everyone they can down to their level. Your bleating man-rage that I'm not willing to get down in the ditch with you and entertain you... Phew, you really need professional help with that. This is just a game. Lighten up and have a happier life.

 

[Parmo]

Mostly shame, self-loathing and guilt.

Seems a long-winded way of saying you don't like game and that you have not had your monies worth playing ED until your recent psychotic episode. May be that could also be described as a tantrum.
You've forgotten to mention one feeling here and that is anger which you so obviously have displayed in your post, due in large measure to being disappointed in the game not coming up to your expectations.
So, what feelings have you had previously playing ED?
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I agree with one theme of your post and that is of the game's deficient handling of criminal behaviour such as exhibited by your good self.
If only to say it does not seem to promote immersion for both the criminal and the victim.
We need
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewhJY6yynk

 

[Renegade Roach]

You seem to be acknowledging that the worst elements do, in fact, indulge themselves in Open. It's unfortunate, but sandbox games do seem to bring out some people's inner sociopath.

Like in the real world, people who don't like being fodder for sociopaths cross the street, avoid them where they hang out, and try not to encourage them. That's why when some gamer freak wordlessly attacks me (I only play Open) I simply run away so that they can enjoy their frustrated rage by themselves. Open play doesn't have to be a freak-show: you can evade almost all of them simply by not going where they stake out, and being prepared to run (not fight; that just plays into their game) and otherwise do the thing that ruins their entire pathetic existence: have a good time without them.

Open play isn't a pit. But there are some truly pitiful gamers who hang out there, trying to drag everyone they can down to their level. Your bleating man-rage that I'm not willing to get down in the ditch with you and entertain you... Phew, you really need professional help with that. This is just a game. Lighten up and have a happier life.

See, last night I randomly attacked a hauler from an opposing power who was in one of our systems, the assumption being that he was most likely undermining. There was no time for niceties, but he played his cards right and made it out with his hull just about intact and got to a station and I docked up to restock. We got chatting after I informed him that he was obviously on the wrong side and he cheerfully noted that I'd broken his shield module. It was a good chat, about the old days, C64s and BBCs, how mining lasers suck now, planned exploration trips and how we both hoped Thargoids would be suitably scary. We added each other to friends lists and went our merry ways.

The point of this heart warming little tale is this; If he had assumed that I was 'some gamer freak' acting out sociopathic tendancies he would not have spoken to me. He might even have got all upset based on assumptions which, it turned out, would have been rather far from the truth. As you say, this is a game and a lot of people really do need to lighten up. If a player is actually abusive, or dedicates their entire time to stalking and disrupting you is a very different matter to people simply playing the game as intended.

Honestly, both in this game and EVE, I've met a great number of very friendly and laid back people based purely on the fact that we attempted to blow each other up. Because we are not anti social griefers, we are not the ones shunning interaction, and we are not the ones taking a game far too seriously.

 

[Soliluna]

Really?



And in your view this is fine. I feel sorry for you.

I have grandchildren, and when they are with me they sometimes play this game. I insist they play solo purely to avoid people like yourself who like to inflict upon them the kind of thing the OP has indulged in. I cannot adequately express how I feel about you, the OP, and his supporters. Were I to do so I'd be banned. Ironic.

Thanks for your interesting post!

 

[Hacker#451563]

Dont know why I cant Rep the OP but loved your post and totally agree with the level of depth this game lacks compared to what it could have.

 

[CMDR Derrida]

Personally I never kill players under 'competent' level, but will knock their hull down a bit and let them go. I don't really get the killing sidewinders thing if you're an experienced player, as it makes the 'open' mode with all it's instancing problems, even less appealing than it already is for people who have just bought the game.

 

[Captain Torus]

It is more fun to not play the game, but go hit the beaches and do some surfing / sailboarding and think about the game it could be as you lie in the sun. Give it a few months / years and try it again, it might get more content by then. Peace.

 

[Deleted member 94277]

And in your view this is fine. I feel sorry for you.

I have grandchildren, and when they are with me they sometimes play this game. I insist they play solo purely to avoid people like yourself who like to inflict upon them the kind of thing the OP has indulged in. I cannot adequately express how I feel about you, the OP, and his supporters. Were I to do so I'd be banned. Ironic.

In essence, what he did was what we call PvP. The only difference is that he had no reason to do it other than just he wanted to. The rules of the game state that, the moment he logged in Open, he was accepting the possibility that somebody would destroy his ship for no reason. This is why, in many ways, I don't believe that griefing exists in a PvP environment. If RL is an example of anything, I'd say that there's all kinds of bad people IRL - rapists, murderers, thieves - and it makes sense that a game where you can 'blaze your own trail' permits this some kinds of toxic behavior. Some men, as they say, "just want to watch the world burn" and it feels unreal if there's none who do so. While I understand and agree with you (people who don't want to get killed by players should always play solo, like I do) I don't share and actually comndem your negative opinion on the OP.