Stealth Squad Testing: Shieldless Cobra PvP

Memoocan

Memoocan
Trying to find more and more ways to keep this game fresh and fun, stealth ships has been the latest. It also makes small ships extremely viable despite the failure for FD to fix armor


[video=youtube;VM0qobl_pi4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM0qobl_pi4&feature=gp-n-y&google_comment_id=z12nudm4fyfyd55zm04cdf2rfsvby3q5hzw0k[/video]
 

Ziljan

Ziljan
Turning and targeting in a Cobra is a bit of an art form. Side thrusters can make this ship as easy to target with as a DBS, even for the bottom two sh***y hardpoints. Also, why med pulse, and not two small beams? The beams do better damage for your jousting style and the heat isn't too bad. Then you can slot med missiles as well ;)


Also, can you PM me your armor build?
 

Memoocan

Memoocan
Ziljan said:
Turning and targeting in a Cobra is a bit of an art form. Side thrusters can make this ship as easy to target with as a DBS, even for the bottom two sh***y hardpoints. Also, why med pulse, and not two small beams? The beams do better damage for your jousting style and the heat isn't too bad. Then you can slot med missiles as well ;)


Also, can you PM me your armor build?
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Those are actually medium burst, so tends to work very well for jousting and gettin in a lot of dps quick with a bit less heat than beams which is important since the silent Cobra has big issues.

The Cobra or DBS armor build? The Cobra build is in the front part of the video, may have to pause em. Either way I can do so lol
 

Morbad

Morbad
I prefer an all cannon/multicannon DBS for small ship stealth combat.

Still interesting to see different setups.
 

Na'Qan

Na'Qan
Check out my youtube page, its dedicated to only stealth combat ships...

[video=youtube;LZVaGT7XMgk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZVaGT7XMgk[/video]
 

Ben Ryder

Ben Ryder
My stealth cobra current build - [h=2]Enfant terrible[/h]
Role
Stealth Tank (not gaming 'tank' but a tank with cannons that's a big lump of metal)

Must Have
A Cobra
380+ Max speed
Heat below 35 at top speed with boost and weapons firing
18+ LY range
Enforcer Cannons
Reactive Armour

Should Have
Cold
Fast
Weapons that do not show a visible trace (apart from enforcers) when fire

Could Have
Deference that are invisible like ECM, Hull reinforcement
Defenses that disrupt radar presence (mines to put more 'hostiles' on the scanner)

Wont have
Shields

Current Build
[Cobra Mk III]
M: 2D/F Cannon
M: 2I/F Mine Launcher
S: Enforcer Cannon
S: Enforcer Cannon
U: 0F Electronic Countermeasure
U: 0I Heat Sink Launcher


BH: 1I Reactive Surface Composite
RB: 3B Power Plant
TM: 4D Thrusters
FH: 4A Frame Shift Drive
EC: 3D Life Support
PC: 2C Power Distributor
SS: 3D Sensors
FS: 4C Fuel Tank (Capacity: 16)


4: 4E Cargo Rack (Capacity: 16)
4: 4A Auto Field-Maintenance Unit
4: 4D Hull Reinforcement Package
2: 2D Hull Reinforcement Package
2: 2D Hull Reinforcement Package
2: 2A Fuel Scoop

Max Budget 8.9 M credits

But the lower the better.
 

noldunar

N
What is your opinion on this stealth Cobra build?

http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=702,5Rr5Rr4wt4wt0Wg0Wg,314s6Q6k5K4s5K6k,07215O15O4y69qm12G

[Cobra Mk III]
M: 2F/G Pulse Laser
M: 2F/G Pulse Laser
S: 1E/G Beam Laser
S: 1E/G Beam Laser
U: 0I Heat Sink Launcher
U: 0I Heat Sink Launcher

BH: 1I Military Grade Composite
RB: 3A Power Plant
TM: 4A Thrusters
FH: 4C Frame Shift Drive
EC: 3D Life Support
PC: 3A Power Distributor
SS: 3D Sensors
FS: 4C Fuel Tank (Capacity: 16)

4: 4E Cargo Rack (Capacity: 16)
4: 4D Hull Reinforcement Package
4: 4D Hull Reinforcement Package
2: 2C Fuel Scoop
2: 2D Frame Shift Drive Interdictor
2: 2D Hull Reinforcement Package
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Power : 6,65 MW retracted (55 %)
9,19 MW deployed (77 %)
12,00 MW available
Cargo : 16 T
Fuel : 16 T
Mass : 290,1 T empty
322,1 T full
Range : 12,61 LY unladen
11,99 LY laden
Price : 3.883.785 CR
Re-Buy: 194.189 CR @ 95% insurance

When deploying hardpoints I turn off FSD, Fuel Scoop, Interdictor and Cargo Hatch to get power consumption and heat down.

I prefer military armor since it gives you 50/50 reduction, making it usefull against kinetics and laser, especially with no shields and no point defence I feel the need to get some kind of missile protection.

I will go with small gimballed beams but I am not sold on the medium hardpoints. Going with pulse atm to get shields down faster in conjunction with the beams but might as well go with multi-cannons.
 

Na'Qan

Na'Qan
noldunar said:
What is your opinion on this stealth Cobra build?

http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=702,5Rr5Rr4wt4wt0Wg0Wg,314s6Q6k5K4s5K6k,07215O15O4y69qm12G

[Cobra Mk III]
M: 2F/G Pulse Laser
M: 2F/G Pulse Laser
S: 1E/G Beam Laser
S: 1E/G Beam Laser
U: 0I Heat Sink Launcher
U: 0I Heat Sink Launcher

BH: 1I Military Grade Composite
RB: 3A Power Plant
TM: 4A Thrusters
FH: 4C Frame Shift Drive
EC: 3D Life Support
PC: 3A Power Distributor
SS: 3D Sensors
FS: 4C Fuel Tank (Capacity: 16)

4: 4E Cargo Rack (Capacity: 16)
4: 4D Hull Reinforcement Package
4: 4D Hull Reinforcement Package
2: 2C Fuel Scoop
2: 2D Frame Shift Drive Interdictor
2: 2D Hull Reinforcement Package
---

Power : 6,65 MW retracted (55 %)
9,19 MW deployed (77 %)
12,00 MW available
Cargo : 16 T
Fuel : 16 T
Mass : 290,1 T empty
322,1 T full
Range : 12,61 LY unladen
11,99 LY laden
Price : 3.883.785 CR
Re-Buy: 194.189 CR @ 95% insurance

When deploying hardpoints I turn off FSD, Fuel Scoop, Interdictor and Cargo Hatch to get power consumption and heat down.

I prefer military armor since it gives you 50/50 reduction, making it usefull against kinetics and laser, especially with no shields and no point defence I feel the need to get some kind of missile protection.

I will go with small gimballed beams but I am not sold on the medium hardpoints. Going with pulse atm to get shields down faster in conjunction with the beams but might as well go with multi-cannons.
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It's not bad, but looks like a PvE Build, because of the gimbals. The Life support is also not sufficient, since there are high chance of your canopy blowing. I'd also replace the Fuel scoop for more armor. I like to dock to refuel, also a good Save-Point while en-rout.

NPC's aren't fool and can see and target you while in silent running. I'd replace 1 of the heat sinks for a chaff. Get 2x Class 2 Railguns and 2x Class 1 Torpedoes. You want to disable their drives quick with Torpedoes once their shield drops using the Rails.
 

Swifty

Swifty
I loved running a stealth Dbs with quad cannons. I still own a stealth cobra but that's weaponless (as well as shieldless) as it's for smuggling only.
 

noldunar

N
Na'Qan said:
It's not bad, but looks like a PvE Build, because of the gimbals. The Life support is also not sufficient, since there are high chance of your canopy blowing. I'd also replace the Fuel scoop for more armor. I like to dock to refuel, also a good Save-Point while en-rout.

NPC's aren't fool and can see and target you while in silent running. I'd replace 1 of the heat sinks for a chaff. Get 2x Class 2 Railguns and 2x Class 1 Torpedoes. You want to disable their drives quick with Torpedoes once their shield drops using the Rails.
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Well, it shouldn't be a pure PVE build but of course the main focus is PVE. I have seen people using gimballs in PVP as well, if the target uses chaff, just untarget it. However, I have not tested it yet since I only got the idea from this thread and the video but now that you mentioned it I am curious: Can the NPCs indeed still target and see you? I know that you are not invisible and can be spotted visuallly but I thought once you are out of the NPCs field of view and of the radar and behind that you could pretty much "disappear". Is that not the case?
 

Swifty

Swifty
noldunar said:
Can the NPCs indeed still target and see you? I know that you are not invisible and can be spotted visuallly but I thought once you are out of the NPCs field of view and of the radar and behind that you could pretty much "disappear". Is that not the case?
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In my experience NPCs seem to be confused by silent running and have difficulty landing shots on you. However they can still visually see you and manually target you in the same way that players can. You need to do your best to stay behind them, if they're facing you the stealth advantage melts as fast as your canopy!

Another tip is only to attack lone targets as it's hard to stay out of sight from multiple targets.
 
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