Should I get an Anaconda for trading or keep the T9?

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So, maybe someone can speak of experience...

I have a T9 right now and I could upgrade to an Anaconda soon (maybe another week of trading).

Should I do it?
For more trading, that is.

I know I'll lose around 10% cargo space.
On the other hand, I reckon I'd gain quite a bit of speed (especially when turning into space ports) as well as some massive boost in jump range.

Do you think this will be (financially) worth it?
Do the speed improvements and better jump capabilities make up for 10% loss due to less cargo capacity?
If some trip took me otherwise 10 minutes I'd need to be at least a minute faster with the Anaconda...
 

faluc

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Unless you have a super awesome 1 hop trade route for your T9, I can say very much yes, go for an Anaconda.
The jump range is way better, it opens up more viable trade routes. You can have very strong shields and weapons at the same time while carrying 452 T cargo. Something like this.
 

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Thanks!

And thanks for the reminder on insurance. I sure look out for that.

That's what I was hoping for. No, super awesome 1 hop trade routes don't exist anymore.. :(
 
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DanTheMan

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If you have the money, then an Anaconda trader is a much better bet than a T9.
For a minimal loss of cargo capacity you get a ship with better jump range and it doesn't fly like a jellyfish swimming in treacle.
 

GJ51

GJ51
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Thanks!

And thanks for the reminder on insurance. I sure look out for that.

That's what I was hoping for. No, super awesome 1 hop trade routes don't exist anymore.. :(
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Minimum: 2X Re-buy after outfitting + enough for 452T of Imperial Slaves before you make the move. Plus it's a good idea to have a fall back ship like an ASP or better if something goes horribly bad on your first few runs. If you suffer a few early losses you'll be able to hop into something else for a bit to recover. It probably won't happen, but it's always better to have a spare ship you don't need than to not have a spare ship you need.

Either that, or you can always come back and start one of those threads about how unfair insurance and loans are and file a support ticket with FD and tell them it wasn't your fault you lost your stuff and get everything back from FD.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=167446
 
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Ok, seems there is a huge consensus on that. I frankly would have expected that you could never make up the 10% in cargo loss but most people would prefer it due to better handling.

Which is in fact the thing that made me consider it at all - I simply can't fly the T9 anymore. I want to, I like it - but it's impossible. My wrist aches just thinking of it.
 

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GJ51 said:
Minimum: 2X Re-buy after outfitting + enough for 452T of Imperial Slaves before you make the move. Plus it's a good idea to have a fall back ship like an ASP or better if something goes horribly bad on your first few runs. If you suffer a few early losses you'll be able to hop into something else for a bit to recover. It probably won't happen, but it's always better to have a spare ship you don't need than to not have a spare ship you need.
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Thanks - I got a few spare ships. And yes, I aim for 20 million as my minimum cash buffer - that's roughly 5 million of cargo and 15 of insurance.
 

GJ51

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Ok, seems there is a huge consensus on that. I frankly would have expected that you could never make up the 10% in cargo loss but most people would prefer it due to better handling.

Which is in fact the thing that made me consider it at all - I simply can't fly the T9 anymore. I want to, I like it - but it's impossible. My wrist aches just thinking of it.
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Time = money
 

Monk

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From a pure stats perspective, the Anaconda makes good sense.

Personally, I like to make use of the dedicated trade ships. Gets me in the right state of mind for trading. Right now, I've got a T7, a Clipper and a Python. By the numbers, I should just drop the T7 and use the Python for trading...but it just doesn't feel right.

It actually makes me wish we went back to the high fuel costs and the harsher Ship Integrity costs.Those two factors alone made trade ships worth the time as they are A) more fuel efficient, B) Cost less to repair, C) Cost less to replace and D) you get to encounter pirates more often (if that is your thing).
 

PavelKCZ

PavelKCZ
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So, maybe someone can speak of experience...

I have a T9 right now and I could upgrade to an Anaconda soon (maybe another week of trading).

Should I do it?
For more trading, that is.

I know I'll lose around 10% cargo space.
On the other hand, I reckon I'd gain quite a bit of speed (especially when turning into space ports) as well as some massive boost in jump range.

Do you think this will be (financially) worth it?
Do the speed improvements and better jump capabilities make up for 10% loss due to less cargo capacity?
If some trip took me otherwise 10 minutes I'd need to be at least a minute faster with the Anaconda...
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Definitely. For armored trading, Anaconda is best and not as expensive as it seems, at least in PvE/Solo/Group.

My Resolute is 178 MCr only.

http://coriolis.io/outfit/anaconda/...4.Iw18ZlA=.IwBhCYy7tH9kA===?bn=trade Anaconda
 

veryinky

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Monk said:
From a pure stats perspective, the Anaconda makes good sense.

Personally, I like to make use of the dedicated trade ships. Gets me in the right state of mind for trading. Right now, I've got a T7, a Clipper and a Python. By the numbers, I should just drop the T7 and use the Python for trading...but it just doesn't feel right.
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There's something very odd about how FDev balanced their ships. The dedicated traders Type-7 and Type-9 are much worse at trading than the Multipurpose Python and Anaconda.

Type-7 can't land on outposts which locks it out of a lot of high profit trading. Type-9 is 1000 tons while the Anaconda is an implausible 400. It gets silly when you consider that the Anaconda has twice the armor and structural integrity of the Type-9 which weighs over twice as much. Anaconda even has two small (but currently unusable) hangar bays.
 

jacozilla

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Ok, seems there is a huge consensus on that. I frankly would have expected that you could never make up the 10% in cargo loss but most people would prefer it due to better handling.

Which is in fact the thing that made me consider it at all - I simply can't fly the T9 anymore. I want to, I like it - but it's impossible. My wrist aches just thinking of it.
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My economics thread has more details on the numbers but the short version is at least 5.7% better profit with Anaconda, even with 448 ton cargo vs Type 9 496 ton spec
15 min round trip turns into 12 min with Anaconda. More runs per hour makes CR/hour a bit better.

Not huge better, just bit better profit. But with better handling and defense albeit higher insurance, it's the overall better ship.

On an 8M CR/hour route though, that extra 5.7% comes out to bit over 400k extra, so it does take awhile to payoff in terms of recouping the additional cost you sink into the Anaconda, so if you want some other cool ships to play with, you could keep the type 9 and use the extra cash for other ships.
e.g. at 400-500k extra profit per hour, it would take you 100-150 hours to payoff the extra 40-60M invested into upgrading from type 9 to anaconda (depending minimum trade spec upgrade or bit better C grade parts) with just the pure DELTA between the two ship's earning power.

But some people just go crazy driving the space cow hour and hour, so the handling and speed difference is prob all the reason you need to upgrade
 

Fatdaddy

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They are both very good ships in their own right. And which is better really depends on you play style. If you are a power/speed trader...as in you fly between stations with immediate turn around...Then the Anoconda wins hands down. Way better cr/hr for continuous trading. If you are more of a distracted trader (like me)...keep slopping off to smoke or make coffee or talk to my wife..then is a bit more biased towards the T9 it's speed has less of an impact on me.

If you can only afford one then it has to be the Anoconda as it's a lot more verstile.

I have both again now so I can use the best earner for my mood when I log in. I now get to choose if I want to speed grind or surf trade.
 

PavelKCZ

PavelKCZ
jacozilla said:
My economics thread has more details on the numbers but the short version is at least 5.7% better profit with Anaconda, even with 448 ton cargo vs Type 9 496 ton spec
15 min round trip turns into 12 min with Anaconda. More runs per hour makes CR/hour a bit better.

Not huge better, just bit better profit. But with better handling and defense albeit higher insurance, it's the overall better ship.

On an 8M CR/hour route though, that extra 5.7% comes out to bit over 400k extra, so it does take awhile to payoff in terms of recouping the additional cost you sink into the Anaconda, so if you want some other cool ships to play with, you could keep the type 9 and use the extra cash for other ships.
e.g. at 400-500k extra profit per hour, it would take you 100-150 hours to payoff the extra 40-60M invested into upgrading from type 9 to anaconda (depending minimum trade spec upgrade or bit better C grade parts) with just the pure DELTA between the two ship's earning power.

But some people just go crazy driving the space cow hour and hour, so the handling and speed difference is prob all the reason you need to upgrade
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I read your thread about T9/Anaconda economy. But IIRC, you compared those ships on the same route which is IMHO not always valid. You can find better routes with Anaconda, because the jump range is better than T9.
 
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