Froniter please copy ARK!
- Thread starter S.H.A.D.O
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Prepare for backlash from people who think the all and solo example preset groups are the way the game is "supposed" to be played.
I remember the dev discussions where it was clear that one of the major benefits if the grouping mechanism is that it enables players to select out those they don't want to play with, including those using hacks.
Also, the p2p model makes it easy to frame someone for hacking and proof of innocence or guilt difficult to establish.
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K well first off i love the title of this thread so ironic it's almost not even funny. Ark is bloated with hackers. # terrible anti cheat to boot. offering money to report hacks would simply be a waste of money and time.
2nd the grouping system mentioned above is absolutely ridiculous. Doesn't matter what game you play if your decent there will always be people calling you a hacker cause they just cant cope with the fact their terrible at the game. This just gives noobs ability to black list all pirates and other players that are better then them. which kills the game. I would love to see pirating become an actual part of this game but it will never be since you can just ignore a pirate. and you will never see him again in open play.
2nd the grouping system mentioned above is absolutely ridiculous. Doesn't matter what game you play if your decent there will always be people calling you a hacker cause they just cant cope with the fact their terrible at the game. This just gives noobs ability to black list all pirates and other players that are better then them. which kills the game. I would love to see pirating become an actual part of this game but it will never be since you can just ignore a pirate. and you will never see him again in open play.
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The all group is not the default pvp group it is simply the preset that includes all players. If you want a specific pvp group join one or make one.
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There should not be groups. It ruins all community goals/ events. It is beyond easy to avoid problems with other players. Plenty of signs your about to be interdicted if your even half paying attention. If you need to hide in a PVE group that is beyond sad. Its not like there isn't 400 billion star systems for you to hide in but sure just play in your private groups where everyone is friends and we all hold hands while diddling each other in super cruise. I want everyone in open so I can go around hunting player pirates. But wait there are non because most experienced traders hide offline So the few pirates there are just go around hunting harmless side winders and low tier ships. Elite rank should be unobtainable for anyone who doesn't play open since the only threat in this game is other players... and loitering got to love loitering being the most dangerous thing in the game.
What sort of reply is that? He was talking about piracy and you retort with something about a pvp group? Don't tell me you think we should start a piracy group. Good luck getting traders to sign up for that group. No, open is the default piracy group, it can't exist anywhere else.
This^^^^^^ SOO much this. Thank you good sir it is the logical point that i would figure everyone would understand but nope. We love our broken game mechanics.
I Made 965 mill trading profit purely in open without once ever being interdicted and robbed hoping to push that last 35 mill until elite out today. The few times players did interdict me i was usually flying In my pretty populated home system with a empty cargo hold... Just don't tell them that, Since i love to make life difficult for them
Nobody can claim that the two default preset groups are for anything. Use them for what you want they were not set up by you for your purpose they were set up to demonstrate the two extremes of what is possible with the grouping mechanism.
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Have you ever tried to pirate an npc Ship? Cause with an argument like that it leads me to believe that's a big whopping noWhy, are players the only targets pirates should go after ?
Npc's first off don't respond to any verbal or text commands. Then you'll come across a t9 loaded with something only to shoot its hatch out that will then drop maybe 8 cargo on a good day if your lucky and it will be the crappy back up cargo that they keep on them just in case they get interdicted to use as a distraction, The whole system needs a complete overhaul cause its useless as is, leaving players as the only viable option
Plus you fail to see that killing a pirate that is hunting players is like 1000x more satisfying then hunting some guy grinding out NPC kills.
Got to grief the griefers
It's just getting really annoying to have the mobius wiseguys waltz in here every thread and tell us how great their pve playground is.
I'll say it again, piracy cannot exist anywhere else
Just reminding you about the choice grouping offers. A lot of people act like open and solo are somehow groups that people "should" join. There is no should except for sheep. If you want a dedicated pvp group you will have to make one. Nobody is going to do it for you and trying to force everyone in open to accept it as your special pvp group is... *sigh* Well I suppose it is whatever it is. Seems a bit weird to me. Carry on I am not the boss of you.
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First of all I was refuting the statement "No, open is the default piracy group, it can't exist anywhere else" (emphasis mine)
You seem to be talking about something else ...
1) Yes I have pirated NPCs - thanks for asking though.
2) I made no reference to it being efficient nor fun as that was not the comment I was refuting.
3) I completely agree that killing a pirate who pirates players is more satisfying, but again completely irrelevant to Yabba's comment.
4) Yes piracy does need an overhaul, something I have been championing for a long time (before FD drove me away from caring about the game with PP) - I was one of the vocals during the DDF fighting for piracy (fat lot of good that did mind)
That whole group enrages me, we have literally a whole galaxy. But they need their own separate galaxy cause their so scared of a little competition. Honestly unless your in a super densely populated system and even then how often do you see another player. pro tip not very often and the chances they will just attack you are so slim.
But hey what do I know i'm only 4% into deadly 92 % into tycoon clearly I don't have the experience to judge >.>
Check your ego at the door - people play for many reasons.
However, as that comment may go over your head allow me to compare you to me : I bet you have claimed the insurance right .. been killed, magically pop up again in a station, new ship, faction ratings intact ready to carry on ?! Play like a real pro and wipe your commander on death - I do, exclusively in open* Now, do you still have a right to judge ?
*For all the other regular players I really couldn't care less how you play the game. What grinds my gears though is when we get forum users abusing others because they don't play like them and belittle them for it. Honestly - just let people play how they want, you focus on your own game, have fun, and if not go do something else.
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Well for me to not ask you would just be straight ignorant after all you are boasting that Elite rank. Congratz by the way on that. However for the sake of this conversation i suppose we should make a point that we are talking specificly about players pirating other players to clear up any misunderstanding. Cause lets face it NPC pirates are a joke and so is pirating NPC's for the moment and probably for the foreseeable future.
It's like you accidentally quoted the wrong post.
Oh I see now, you meant to quote yourself, to expand on what you wrote, I just happen to be the first one to quote your post.
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