Dividend CR on first claimed systems

[jacozilla]

While I contemplate 'the button' out here in deep space, I thought it would be really nice if explorers got a small CR dividend whenever someone else visits a system that they first discovered.

Perhaps some CR payout based on how many or what percentage of the stars/planets you scanned in that system (and if two first claim owners, whoever has most percentage gets the CR dividend)

Not really about making more money via exploration at all - I don't think anyone that explores is in it for the CR anyways.

More about a nice touch to let you know-
a) if people have visited systems you first claimed
b) rough idea how popular based on dividend credits you get

It's likely many first claimed systems won't be visited by someone else anytime soon given how many systems there are, but still - I for sure run into already claimed systems around the popular nebula so stands to reason at least a good chunk of claimed systems are being revisited by other / new explorers.

Just my .02 cents - would be a cool function to add

 

[Alex Brentnall]

Not a bad idea but the big problem with that it will promote people going to popular areas to try and get a system. It also allows people to get credits for not playing the game.
The chap who discovered Sagittarius A will be millions up in a few months

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

Not a bad idea but the big problem with that it will promote people going to popular areas to try and get a system. It also allows people to get credits for not playing the game.
The chap who discovered Sagittarius A will be millions up in a few months

Nobody discovered anything. That's the problem - we don't explore. We all have a 400 Billion 'I-Spy' book in the galaxy map, and are slowly ticking them off.

 

[jacozilla]

Nobody discovered anything. That's the problem - we don't explore. We all have a 400 Billion 'I-Spy' book in the galaxy map, and are slowly ticking them off.

Maybe I'm missing something, but even with current 21st century technology, we can scan andknow via spectroscopy and other types of space telescopes:

1. the class of star(s) in that system

2. to some extent, even some of the exo-planets, number and type (for the ones we can spot)

In game, 34th century - we don't even have access to system map that would tell us the exo-planets we could spot with 21st century tech. All we have is the star class and number of stars in that system, no?

Seems like we're exploring with even less pre-knowledge than what we'd have in 21st century tech - assuming we had spacecraft that could go out to take a look of course.

 

[Sire]

While I contemplate 'the button' out here in deep space, I thought it would be really nice if explorers got a small CR dividend whenever someone else visits a system that they first discovered.

Perhaps some CR payout based on how many or what percentage of the stars/planets you scanned in that system (and if two first claim owners, whoever has most percentage gets the CR dividend)

Not really about making more money via exploration at all - I don't think anyone that explores is in it for the CR anyways.

More about a nice touch to let you know-
a) if people have visited systems you first claimed
b) rough idea how popular based on dividend credits you get

It's likely many first claimed systems won't be visited by someone else anytime soon given how many systems there are, but still - I for sure run into already claimed systems around the popular nebula so stands to reason at least a good chunk of claimed systems are being revisited by other / new explorers.

Just my .02 cents - would be a cool function to add

Yes, but where that money would come from? Who will pay explorers for another player being in his system? Or money would merge from the absolute void to end in explorers' pocket?

 

[Space Fan]

I'm no explorer - but of course there should be credit for the first *charting* of a new system (OK, it might technically have been *discovered* by telescopic means, but that's not quite the same thing!) And also a big bonus for a complete charting - militarily it is important to know everything. Just my 2000 satoshi's worth..

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

Maybe I'm missing something, but even with current 21st century technology, we can scan andknow via spectroscopy and other types of space telescopes:

1. the class of star(s) in that system

2. to some extent, even some of the exo-planets, number and type (for the ones we can spot)

In game, 34th century - we don't even have access to system map that would tell us the exo-planets we could spot with 21st century tech. All we have is the star class and number of stars in that system, no?

Seems like we're exploring with even less pre-knowledge than what we'd have in 21st century tech - assuming we had spacecraft that could go out to take a look of course.

Including all those stars the other side of the core? Or, even, anywhere close to the core? Certainly we can do that for billions of systems. Far short of 400 Billion, though.

And in any case, the point is that we have no real gameplay, and this is supposed to be a game. Jump, honk, point at a planet or two, ping (when they put that back in), repeat until you logoff or fall asleep. Exploration should be so much more than this almost content free thing that struggles to reach the dizzy heights of a placeholder.

 

[Sire]

I'm no explorer - but of course there should be credit for the first *charting* of a new system (OK, it might technically have been *discovered* by telescopic means, but that's not quite the same thing!) And also a big bonus for a complete charting - militarily it is important to know everything. Just my 2000 satoshi's worth..

As a matter of facts THERE is credit for the first charting of a new system. What do you think explorers get when they sell data they collected, peanuts?

 

[Space Fan]

As a matter of facts THERE is credit for the first chating of a new system. What do you think explorers get when they sell data they collected, peanuts?

So what's the thread about?

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

So what's the thread about?

There is a pretty big hint in the OP.

 

[jacozilla]

Including all those stars the other side of the core? Or, even, anywhere close to the core? Certainly we can do that for billions of systems. Far short of 400 Billion, though.

And in any case, the point is that we have no real gameplay, and this is supposed to be a game. Jump, honk, point at a planet or two, ping (when they put that back in), repeat until you logoff or fall asleep. Exploration should be so much more than this almost content free thing that struggles to reach the dizzy heights of a placeholder.

Ok fair point re being unable see other side of core and around other blocking factors - maybe lensing and nebula - but with very modest, ressonable suspension of disbelief, and assuming tech completely in line with what FD shows us in 3301 -

Is it not a reasonable assumption that its possible - not certain, but at least merely possible - that they have self propelled space telescopes unlike our relatively stationary near earth space telescopes?

e.g. Perhaps with missions dating back however long some form of FTL drive existed, FD civs sent hyper-capable space telescopes to do simple spectroscopy that takes nothing more than 20th century tech, and hence how we at least know star positions and class.

re 400 billion - yes a staggering number, but thats only an estimate pf what we beleive our galaxy has. What if it really has 600 or 800 billion, and the 400 billion pre-plotted are only the ones we know about?

also re 400 billion - even with crude 21st century tech, we could scan and classify via spectroscopy all the visible stars not blocked by ghe core with enough scale and telescopes. Its not n issue of we can or cant, just a huge logistical issue of scale and natinal investment. Perhaps FD universe when they realize FTL travel was possible, did a manhattan project to map basic scanning of the stars?

 

[jacozilla]

So what's the thread about?

Since the thread seems to be getting stuck on the CR part, let me rephrase my suggestion -

dont care if i get a single CR more, it would be nice to know if other people have visited systems i first discovered, and rough sense of how frequent (hence the small CR dividend idea)

re: who pays though - same cartographic org that pays us now. Presumably stuff we surveyed has future value, and laws re how land use claims are handled, like we have today, prepays us for small fraction of what future resource extraction locenses will bring - which is how i rationalize getting paid in first place to discover or bring back 'additional' scan info when not the first discoverer.

Its only a small stretch from there that to reward explorers finding more popular systems, the cartographic org gives the original first discoverer an additional small bonus based on other licensed explorers visiting that system (and bringing back additional scans)

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

Ok fair point re being unable see other side of core and around other blocking factors - maybe lensing and nebula - but with very modest, ressonable suspension of disbelief, and assuming tech completely in line with what FD shows us in 3301 -

Is it not a reasonable assumption that its possible - not certain, but at least merely possible - that they have self propelled space telescopes unlike our relatively stationary near earth space telescopes?

e.g. Perhaps with missions dating back however long some form of FTL drive existed, FD civs sent hyper-capable space telescopes to do simple spectroscopy that takes nothing more than 20th century tech, and hence how we at least know star positions and class.

re 400 billion - yes a staggering number, but thats only an estimate pf what we beleive our galaxy has. What if it really has 600 or 800 billion, and the 400 billion pre-plotted are only the ones we know about?

also re 400 billion - even with crude 21st century tech, we could scan and classify via spectroscopy all the visible stars not blocked by ghe core with enough scale and telescopes. Its not n issue of we can or cant, just a huge logistical issue of scale and natinal investment. Perhaps FD universe when they realize FTL travel was possible, did a manhattan project to map basic scanning of the stars?

Yes, all that is possible, of course. But if our technology was as advanced as it is in the game, there would not be human beings flying cargo ships around, and various other things in the game would be unlikely. For some things 'common sense' and 'realism' gets in the way of gameplay, and has to be abandoned. The reason I want (and I am far from unique in this - indeed even FD wanted it, once upon a time (see the DDA) ) exploration rather than tourism is for game play.

 

[daygobah]

Maybe I'm missing something, but even with current 21st century technology, we can scan andknow via spectroscopy and other types of space telescopes:

1. the class of star(s) in that system

2. to some extent, even some of the exo-planets, number and type (for the ones we can spot)

In game, 34th century - we don't even have access to system map that would tell us the exo-planets we could spot with 21st century tech. All we have is the star class and number of stars in that system, no?

Seems like we're exploring with even less pre-knowledge than what we'd have in 21st century tech - assuming we had spacecraft that could go out to take a look of course.

Yes i know this is something that irks me about the game.

Right now with our tech we can see and classify alot of stars. Now we can even tell there are planets around said stars. Pretty soon we will even be able to start taking spectra of exoplanets and tell what they are made of and atmospheres of said planets.

You would think with future tech they would have even better detail then what we have now.

 

[Gorkon_au]

Good idea but it won't happen, I would prefer something like the following.

1. You find and surface scan all objects in a system.
2. Sell info as normal.
3. Depending on how far out the new system is (closer to normal space the better), you claim mining rights to mineable bodies in that system.
4. You then can sell those mining rights to a Galactic Broker.

You make something like ( [ number of ore producing bodies x Highest Mineral % ] - Distance ) x 1,000,000 Bonus
or something similar. The further you are out the less you make.

My 2 cents worth.

Cheers CMDR's

 

[jacozilla]

Good idea but it won't happen, I would prefer something like the following.

1. You find and surface scan all objects in a system.
2. Sell info as normal.
3. Depending on how far out the new system is (closer to normal space the better), you claim mining rights to mineable bodies in that system.
4. You then can sell those mining rights to a Galactic Broker.

You make something like ( [ number of ore producing bodies x Highest Mineral % ] - Distance ) x 1,000,000 Bonus
or something similar. The further you are out the less you make.

My 2 cents worth.

Cheers CMDR's

that is an awesome idea, would love that. Would both make exploration more profitable and bit mire strategic in sense of trying to claim better resource rights.

I'd even like it if we had to carry special modules like miners do in order to somehow tag those claims or be able to send prospector to determine resource composition better.

 

[Sire]

Since the thread seems to be getting stuck on the CR part, let me rephrase my suggestion -

dont care if i get a single CR more, it would be nice to know if other people have visited systems i first discovered, and rough sense of how frequent (hence the small CR dividend idea)

re: who pays though - same cartographic org that pays us now. Presumably stuff we surveyed has future value, and laws re how land use claims are handled, like we have today, prepays us for small fraction of what future resource extraction locenses will bring - which is how i rationalize getting paid in first place to discover or bring back 'additional' scan info when not the first discoverer.

Its only a small stretch from there that to reward explorers finding more popular systems, the cartographic org gives the original first discoverer an additional small bonus based on other licensed explorers visiting that system (and bringing back additional scans)

Paying for further data has much more sense. This way was not so much well explained in the opening post: it seemed that any explorer would be payed just for being there too.