Arissa Lavigny-Duval Power Play Cycle 8

Looks like ownership in Martio has changed over to the Imperial Society already, I suspect that means the Civil War is soon to end as the Patronage has won.

It will probably still exist as a state for a week. Someone needs to keep an eye on it, so that Martio Limited doesn't gain ground. If you recall, the last Civil War in a control system ended with 69% for corporate and 21% for patronage.
 
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It sounds like the Velites responded to the call. They don't check these forums. Either cross-post on the subreddit, or go into Lavigny's Legion TeamSpeak server to request assistance next time.

I feel violated, we the biggest faction of the strongest political power let those mongrels do what they want in our HQ harrassing our fellow ALD pledgers. Twice.

I try to recruit wings, but only two CMDR respond. I already plan to fight them 2 vs 4 with Cmdr Bendurion until Cmdr "Bomber" decide to join our rank. We patrol in 3 but turns out they hide in our HQ.

Before that, when waiting for cmdr Bendurion fetching his Python. One of their CMDR, called Brauchy, bringing Python w Prism Shield, ramming a Conda trying to land just outside Shajn Market. I fight him one on one to divert his agenda. His style is ramming, not fighting. But I wasn't really prepared to ram each other with Python bringing Prism Shield, and my SCB is empty, as soon as my shield was stripped I land on Shajn.

They also land on Shajn, we exchange words... actually i just want to stall them until reinforcement coming. But these just a group of low educated thugs try to grief ALD Pilots.

These are different group with same agenda, they are low educated thugs which receive contracts from somebody to violate and harassing us just to send a message to ImperiusII (again). One of their group, CMDR Scottozz is so dumb and uneducated. He even ask me if I even use the internet, while he don't even know how to use his keyboard to post a message @ reddit, directly to ImperiusII.

Ill try to communicate with Legion, while also take some private time to train in combat. Need more knowledge with various enemy ship equipment.
 
You realise, of course, that it wasn't ALD that sent the invite to the feds, right? The call from ALD organisations was to free Imperial systems from the yoke of Delaine's Kumo Crew. It has expanded, because Power Play mechanics necessitate striking everywhere to release one control system. That is unfortunate for y'all.
No I didn't realize that, last time I looked Corrigendum was responsible for PR in LL:
I've been given the go-ahead from /u/CMDR_Corrigendum to invite you to join Operation Davy Jones - the united cross-faction push to wipe out Archon Delaine, a pirate leader and slaver.
This here is the true motivation behind the attacks:
I'm curious to see what happens when a faction is destroyed
Delaine became an easy target, then was targeted. Winters has many times the number of Imperial systems.

Its hard to believe asking the federation to join forces is some roleplaying to free Imperial Systems.

Aye, it does look a bit like bullying, and we have more pressing matters at home, but if Imperial systems under Kumo Crew's influence are consistently kept at canceled fortification status, this action is worthwhile.

And, yes, the Velite Squadron's actions at HI-RXSs in Harma space sound fairly one-sided to me on paper, but watching the videos it feels more like testing and training pilots for later action. Which comes in handy, apparently in the early hours of this morning, wings of mercenaries were destroying Lavigny ships in Kamadhenu, and the Velites went in and lost 2 scouts to their 11 vessels.
I use res sites in ALD space, they pay 120% bonus money to non pledged players (the bonus is really OP) so I'm not sure what you mean.
I wasn't talking about any specific player group, just what I was doing when I was pledged to ALD, the numerical superiority over Winters and Hudsons was stupid, its probably 50 to 1 with the other Imperials vs the Kumo Crew right now.

Camping outside our capital station in stealthed ships shooting trade ships as they exit the entrance is griefing as far as I'm concerned (I'm sure its spin as a smart tactic in war), and respawning inside our actual station a few meters away when you die in your cheap ship is just a broken mechanic.
I've been close to doing the same outside Shajn Market because I'm sure there would be such an outpouring of complains from ALD commanders FD would have to put a stop to it, but I would combat log before I do something like that.

Unfortunately I think you will find there are a large numbers of disenfranchised players who are now pledged to ALD and Aisling and believe anything goes in regards to killing Imperial Players, I don't agree with this, but it's what happens when you can employ an unlimited number of players on one side.
 
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No I didn't realize that, last time I looked Corrigendum was responsible for PR in LL:

And boy is he getting reamed for it. Apparently, he told SergeantJezza that it was okay if he invited them, and he would tell the Legion not to hunt them. No one in the Legion is happy with that reddit post, and the Legion doesn't seem in general to be happy with the invitation.

Its hard to believe asking the federation to join forces is some roleplaying to free Imperial Systems.

Yeah, that is hard to believe. It really will destroy Corrigendum's storyline of taunting the Federation into action, but then again, I think he's planned around it. It is fairly apparent that role-play isn't what Jezza had in mind, and his pitch does sound like an enticement to bully.

I use res sites in ALD space, they pay 120% bonus money to non pledged players (the bonus is really OP) so I'm not sure what you mean.
I wasn't talking about any specific player group, just what I was doing when I was pledged to ALD, the numerical superiority over Winters and Hudsons was stupid, its probably 50 to 1 with the other Imperials vs the Kumo Crew right now.

I don't know what in my quote refers to this. Yes, it is over-powered as far as bonuses go, I'm surprised it hasn't been nerfed yet. And, yes, you are greatly outnumbered, which is another reason why the open invitation to the Feds was weird.

Camping outside our capital station in stealthed ships shooting trade ships as they exit the entrance is griefing as far as I'm concerned (I'm sure its spin as a smart tactic in war), and respawning inside our actual station a few meters away when you die in your cheap ship is just a broken mechanic.
I've been close to doing the same outside Shajn Market because I'm sure there would be such an outpouring of complains from ALD commanders FD would have to put a stop to it, but I would combat log before I do something like that.

Aye, that sounds like a broken mechanic. And there are reportedly pilots doing that outside Shajn right now. I saw one of the reported ones, but he never left the station.

Unfortunately I think you will find there are a large numbers of disenfranchised players who are now pledged to ALD and Aisling and believe anything goes in regards to killing Imperial Players, I don't agree with this, but it's what happens when you can employ an unlimited number of players on one side.

Oh, I believe it. I've not seen any horrific playing yet (heard about it), but definitely some 'dirty pool'.
 
Camping outside our capital station in stealthed ships shooting trade ships as they exit the entrance is griefing as far as I'm concerned (I'm sure its spin as a smart tactic in war), and respawning inside our actual station a few meters away when you die in your cheap ship is just a broken mechanic.

I agree, none particular faction (or enemy faction) should not be able to spawn in a controlled system station, especially HQ. If there's an upgrade, i think they have to be captured as slave :D

Been to Reddit, saw the conversation, those in there are more hardcore than us here in FD Forum. We only waging war in Fortification and Undermining, as far as I know. We also never endorse and encourage players waging their own war, we are doing the opposite. You may see CMDR Noxa comments. Though I will not stand idle to see the aggressor doing the same thing @ Kamadhenu.

The idea to make alliance with Federation to crush Archon Delaine and see what will happen, and then even doing griefing, is actually a very absurd idea to me. There will be a threshold number where solo players can maintain the fortification, thus keep the system in small number enough to be maintain by them only. I read somewhere in the forum (can be incorrect), solo players is still the majority in this universe.

If we want to make a Power bankrupt, CMIIW, we have to be like control all systems surrounding that Power to the point that its 'minimum maintainable controlled systems' producing minus CC because was contested. Even with alliance, how is it possible for Powers that can't even really control and unite its sub-faction to direct the cost effective expansion, doing something like that? That's how I think they turn to useless griefing tactic.

You have my respect Commander, if I have a vote I will not agree with operation Davy Jones. Too bad, we are not in unity even just to maintain the war logistic. And I can see that this forum members is not the strongest sub faction of ALD.
 
You have my respect Commander, if I have a vote I will not agree with operation Davy Jones. Too bad, we are not in unity even just to maintain the war logistic. And I can see that this forum members is not the strongest sub faction of ALD.

Well thank you, (and I responded to your PM) and I don't mean to imply all ALD or Imperial players are doing these actions, there are always going to be scumbags in each power, and its too easy to paint everyone in a group with the same brush.

As for not joining in "davy jones" I think its strategically wrong for ALD to bother, we don't even share a border, but even if we are 100% undermined we wont fall into turmoil, and if we don't expand we wont be collapsed.
 
And boy is he getting reamed for it. Apparently, he told SergeantJezza that it was okay if he invited them, and he would tell the Legion not to hunt them. No one in the Legion is happy with that reddit post, and the Legion doesn't seem in general to be happy with the invitation.
Looks like he tried to get Winters involved as well, I didn't see that until now.
 
So who here does agree with Operation Davy Jones, and if so why?

If we have a consensus among ALD forum users against it (I'm personally against it, waste of time & resources & makes us look like unfocused bullies), should we maybe think about putting something together to petition Lavigny's Legion to Disband Op Davy Jones completely?

Or at least put out an alternative agenda for Independent ALD CMDRs to follow, based around what's really important to our Power? I think Fortification and changing over Governments in our Exploited/Controlled Systems is orders of magnitude more important than ODJ.
 
So who here does agree with Operation Davy Jones, and if so why?

If we have a consensus among ALD forum users against it (I'm personally against it, waste of time & resources & makes us look like unfocused bullies), should we maybe think about putting something together to petition Lavigny's Legion to Disband Op Davy Jones completely?

Or at least put out an alternative agenda for Independent ALD CMDRs to follow, based around what's really important to our Power? I think Fortification and changing over Governments in our Exploited/Controlled Systems is orders of magnitude more important than ODJ.

I agree with the concept of liberating Imperial Citizens from pirate oppression. The first few GalNet stories Corrigendum got published were exactly why I liked the idea. It turned the mechanics we have into a story.

I also liked that something about it got NaQan into the game as a combat pilot. His Velite Squadron has altered the way many people approach PvP. Though I don't think anyone would give sole credit of that to either NaQan or Operation Davy Jones.

I disliked that that the tactic of sitting outside an enemy HQ station has emerged. It is definitely something that needs to be addressed.

I dislike the idea of making Archon collapse. If there was a way that Operation Davy Jones could keep Delaine from expanding into more Imperial worlds and withdraw from his current ones, that would be the ideal use of something like this. However, Power Play mechanics make the only way to do that forcing the Power to contract and collapse. That is unfortunate.

Overall, it has been a great diversion for combat pilots. However, I'm about to post a massive Lavigny combat for Patronage post which should bring all of our combat pilots back home. Sure, no more easily undermining merits working for minor factions, but possibly great rewards by reducing our Fortification costs.

I think we learned a lot of great lessons with Operation Davy Jones, and I think we can use those lessons to organize effective undermining later. If this specific operation is to continue, its focus should switch to opposing any and all Delaine expansions into Imperial controlled systems, and possibly continuing to undermine those control systems he still influences.
 
I agree with the concept of liberating Imperial Citizens from pirate oppression. The first few GalNet stories Corrigendum got published were exactly why I liked the idea. It turned the mechanics we have into a story.

I also liked that something about it got NaQan into the game as a combat pilot. His Velite Squadron has altered the way many people approach PvP. Though I don't think anyone would give sole credit of that to either NaQan or Operation Davy Jones.

I disliked that that the tactic of sitting outside an enemy HQ station has emerged. It is definitely something that needs to be addressed.

I dislike the idea of making Archon collapse. If there was a way that Operation Davy Jones could keep Delaine from expanding into more Imperial worlds and withdraw from his current ones, that would be the ideal use of something like this. However, Power Play mechanics make the only way to do that forcing the Power to contract and collapse. That is unfortunate.

Overall, it has been a great diversion for combat pilots. However, I'm about to post a massive Lavigny combat for Patronage post which should bring all of our combat pilots back home. Sure, no more easily undermining merits working for minor factions, but possibly great rewards by reducing our Fortification costs.

I think we learned a lot of great lessons with Operation Davy Jones, and I think we can use those lessons to organize effective undermining later. If this specific operation is to continue, its focus should switch to opposing any and all Delaine expansions into Imperial controlled systems, and possibly continuing to undermine those control systems he still influences.

But why are we going after Imperial systems so far away from us? It's like the Falklands or something, a tiny patch of Imperial holdings with something like only 0.5% of the number of Imperial citizens within Imperial Power space (6.9b in Kumo Crew, 1332b in Imperial Powers). It almost reads like it's a propaganda war to distract domestic attention from things at home.

I think Fergal has already pointed out the huge numbers of Imperial citizens currently living under the yoke of Winters and Hudson, so from a purely Utilitarian point of view, focusing on rescuing as many Imperial citizens as possible we would be better looking towards the Federation. They are also actually on our border, as opposed to on the other side of human space.

I'm not particularly concerned about Archon taking Imperial systems out over there to be honest; we need to get real: we don't have the resources / we are confined by powerplay game pressures that stop us from policing every single Imperial interest in the Galaxy. It is the responsibility of Torval and Patreus where they are positioned to assist Imperials in their backyard, and if they fail it is they who should face the consequences of a growing Pirate empire on their doorstep. We can't run the entire Empire on their behalf.

I don't really see either how ODJ has been a way to harness "merit-grinders", if those involved are willing to fly the distance to Archon to do Undermining I would suggest they are not "grinders" they are motivated and willing to follow orders, which is why I see it as all more of a pity that this impressive force has not been harnessed for purposes which support ALD as a whole, rather than the Legion's PR machine.
 
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But why are we going after Imperial systems so far away from us? It's like the Falklands or something, a tiny patch of Imperial holdings with something like only 0.5% of the number of Imperial citizens within Imperial Power space (6.9b in Kumo Crew, 1332b in Imperial Powers). It almost reads like it's a propaganda war to distract domestic attention from things at home.

I think Fergal has already pointed out the huge numbers of Imperial citizens currently living under the yoke of Winters and Hudson, so from a purely Utilitarian point of view, focusing on rescuing as many Imperial citizens as possible we would be better looking towards the Federation. They are also actually on our border, as opposed to on the other side of human space.

I'm not particularly concerned about Archon taking Imperial systems out over there to be honest; we need to get real: we don't have the resources / we are confined by powerplay game pressures that stop us from policing every single Imperial interest in the Galaxy. It is the responsibility of Torval and Patreus where they are positioned to assist Imperials in their backyard, and if they fail it is they who should face the consequences of a growing Pirate empire on their doorstep. We can't run the entire Empire on their behalf.

+1

From an inside-game-view aspect it is very interesting to see what happends if a power collapse (@fergar: nothing personally), but to justify ODJ with roleplay interest isnt logically. I personally had allready a short flirt with piracy (not under Delaine). And it was a huge fun to me. But the order is strong with me! ;)


I don't really see either how ODJ has been a way to harness "merit-grinders", if those involved are willing to fly the distance to Archon to do Undermining I would suggest they are not "grinders" they are motivated and willing to follow orders, which is why I see it as all more of a pity that this impressive force has not been harnessed for purposes which support ALD as a whole, rather than the Legion's PR machine.

And another +1

It isnt complete absurd for a merit grinder (without wishing to help the matters of ALD politics) to fly so far for a few merits!
 
As for not joining in "davy jones" I think its strategically wrong for ALD to bother, we don't even share a border, but even if we are 100% undermined we wont fall into turmoil, and if we don't expand we wont be collapsed.

+1
Correct...it seems like we have enough other wars to fight...wars that are more important to us!
 
Update on the status of Her Illustrious Highness, the Imperial Princess, Senator Arissa Lavigny-Duval's galactic influence.

Preparation:

Due to our state of Turmoil, there is nothing to prepare.

Expansion:

Fighting corruption in Ida Dhor proceeds in exemplerary fashion, with no opposition to speak of.

Fortification:

Due to the Turmoil Damoorai is experiencing, it is absolutely necessary for pilots loyal to Lavigny-Duval's cause to successfully fortify all of their control systems. Currently, there are still 34 of 59 systems unfortified. One system, LHS 1862, is already successfully undermined. The fortification status spreadsheet for Cycle 8 is being updated as I write. Now, there is a column for the total amount needed to reach the trigger point. The attempt is to make priority decisions clearer.

To further expedite our Fortification crisis, Lavigny's Legion has started a competition with edible rewards for the best fortifier this cycle. Everyone is invited to participate.

Minor Faction Troubles:

First and foremost, fortification must be successful this cycle if we are to be able to plan our strategy for next week well.

We have recently learned that the controlling minor faction of both control systems and exploited systems contribute to a system's fortification trigger, which is why some are under 3000 tonnes, and others are over 10000 tonnes. It takes a lot of contribution to affect minor faction status, so there is very little public discussion about manipulating this for the benefit of the princess as of yet.

Currently, there is open warfare in at least 9 control systems. 6 of them directly concern whether or not a Patronage faction will maintain or wrench control of the system. These should take priority over any individual effort you are assisting in your system of choice. These Patronage factions must be victorious in their conflicts, or our fortification triggers will only get more daunting. They are currently labeled on the spreadsheet, but we are contemplating creating a new spreadsheet specifically for minor faction status and states in our control systems.

To efficiently contribute to both this effort and the fortification drive, a commander could fortify using a conflict zone capable ship. Alternatively, running bulletin board missions for the Patronage factions should also assist their war efforts. Four of the six systems in conflict are also unfortified, so after you deliver your Garrison Supplies, running missions for those factions or engaging their opposition in conflict zones should help our cause immensely. Remember, combat bonds get the same bonus as bounties!

These statistics all come from the System View map, dated 0630 on 26 July 3301.

Redoneangi was controlled last cycle by an Anarchy faction, the Redoneangi Organization. Now they are at war with an expanding Patronage group, Wabayo Citizens' Forum.

  • Wabayo Citizens' Forum @35.5%; Redoneangi Organization @16.7%

A civil war is in earnest in Martio between the Patronage Imperial Society and the corporate Martio Limited.

  • Martio Imperial Society @34.5%; Martio Limited @31.3%

Amenta is embroiled in a civil war, between the Patronage faction Amenta Empire Assembly and the corporate Silver Allied Company.

  • Amenta Empire Assembly @36.9%; Silver Allied Company @44.6%

Nyalayan is also engaged in a civil war with a little heard of faction.

  • Nyalayan Imperial Society @36.1%; the other faction's status is not known at this time.

Two others are in already fortified systems, so sadly, chances are most commanders will not be in the area.

Vish has two factions engaged in a brutal civil war, and the Patronage faction is on the worse end of it.

  • Vish Patron's Principles @30.2%; Vish PLC @40.6%

The civil war in Vodyanes has already shifted the balance of power. Currently, it's Patronage controlling faction, Vodyanes Emperor's Grace, is falling in status due to its conflict with Blue Major Network, and independently aligned corporation.

  • Vodyanes Emperor's Grace @10.0%; Blue Major Network @6.5%

Additionally, there are reports of conflicts between non-controlling Patronage factions in Yupini, and He Xingo, and conflicts not involving Senator Lavigny's patrons in multiple systems including Shatrites and Caria.

Remember pilots, fortification is the priority. But if you're a combat pilot looking for some direction in life, get your information here. If you're not looking for combat, and have your choice of mission, accept missions from the Patronage factions within Lavigny space. Exploited systems benefit us, too!
 
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I feel violated, we the biggest faction of the strongest political power let those mongrels do what they want in our HQ harrassing our fellow ALD pledgers. Twice.

Yes and I also feel upset about the lack of deeds against this harrassing!

I try to recruit wings, but only two CMDR respond. I already plan to fight them 2 vs 4 with Cmdr Bendurion until Cmdr "Bomber" decide to join our rank. We patrol in 3 but turns out they hide in our HQ.

Before that, when waiting for cmdr Bendurion fetching his Python. One of their CMDR, called Brauchy, bringing Python w Prism Shield, ramming a Conda trying to land just outside Shajn Market. I fight him one on one to divert his agenda. His style is ramming, not fighting. But I wasn't really prepared to ram each other with Python bringing Prism Shield, and my SCB is empty, as soon as my shield was stripped I land on Shajn.

They also land on Shajn, we exchange words... actually i just want to stall them until reinforcement coming. But these just a group of low educated thugs try to grief ALD Pilots.

These are different group with same agenda, they are low educated thugs which receive contracts from somebody to violate and harassing us just to send a message to ImperiusII (again). One of their group, CMDR Scottozz is so dumb and uneducated. He even ask me if I even use the internet, while he don't even know how to use his keyboard to post a message @ reddit, directly to ImperiusII.

Ill try to communicate with Legion, while also take some private time to train in combat. Need more knowledge with various enemy ship equipment.

The good thing is: we had some PVP training ... and dont forget the enlightend moment with the wings mechanics! ;)
But yes we need more practice and knowledge of different ships and equipment.
 
But why are we going after Imperial systems so far away from us? It's like the Falklands or something, a tiny patch of Imperial holdings with something like only 0.5% of the number of Imperial citizens within Imperial Power space (6.9b in Kumo Crew, 1332b in Imperial Powers).

Don't abandon the Falklands!

Otherwise, you are absolutely, 100% correct.

I've never been to Delaine space. It's so far away I don't even know where it is on my mental map of the galaxy. And with all these spreadsheets I'm working on, I've gotten to know our little corner very well.
 
Quick update on MARTIO:

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Civil War has ended, the Conflict Zones are all gone. System is now a Patronage.

(The Galaxy Map description still says "Corporate", but from my past experiences with the BGS in places like Gilya, I know this text doesn't get updated until Server Maintenance downtime / New Cycle's Day on Thursdays)
 
But why are we going after Imperial systems so far away from us? It's like the Falklands or something, a tiny patch of Imperial holdings with something like only 0.5% of the number of Imperial citizens within Imperial Power space (6.9b in Kumo Crew, 1332b in Imperial Powers). It almost reads like it's a propaganda war to distract domestic attention from things at home.

That's interesting, since you were talking about Imperial unity just recently. In that spirit, the main benefit of Operation Davy Jones is taking the pressure off Patreus (and to lesser extent Torval), who would be in an EXTREMELY difficult position if the offensive didn't distract the Kumo Crew.

I think Fergal has already pointed out the huge numbers of Imperial citizens currently living under the yoke of Winters and Hudson, so from a purely Utilitarian point of view, focusing on rescuing as many Imperial citizens as possible we would be better looking towards the Federation. They are also actually on our border, as opposed to on the other side of human space.

You're not going to "liberate" those Imperial citizens under Federation control anyway. As it is, Powerplay is very top-heavy, with the 3 biggest Powers (Arissa, Aisling, Hudson) having WAY more support than the smaller ones. Those three big Powers (the ladies much more than Hudson, obviously) are very "safe", in that they will never be at risk of collapsing or losing a substantial number of systems. Even mid-sized Powers are reasonably safe, and it's only the weakest ones (Torval, Patreus, Archon, Antal) that are in any sort of danger.
 
That's interesting, since you were talking about Imperial unity just recently. In that spirit, the main benefit of Operation Davy Jones is taking the pressure off Patreus (and to lesser extent Torval), who would be in an EXTREMELY difficult position if the offensive didn't distract the Kumo Crew.



You're not going to "liberate" those Imperial citizens under Federation control anyway. As it is, Powerplay is very top-heavy, with the 3 biggest Powers (Arissa, Aisling, Hudson) having WAY more support than the smaller ones. Those three big Powers (the ladies much more than Hudson, obviously) are very "safe", in that they will never be at risk of collapsing or losing a substantial number of systems. Even mid-sized Powers are reasonably safe, and it's only the weakest ones (Torval, Patreus, Archon, Antal) that are in any sort of danger.

Yes, I'm with you Cadoc, it would be much easier to free the Imperial citizens from Antal and Sirius than Hudson :)
 
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