ambush fuel rats

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It was a jibe. There is a history of that type of claim against code. So, in response to, and in the spirit of 'everyone that wasn't code died', I taunted with the logging comment. Your group actively pursues a bad guy image. You should be able to weather a taunt or two.

On another point, 'you have no evidence' is a paltry defense, especially in the court of public opinion. (In case it isn't obvious, that was another taunt) If code members want to flex in public, please have the good sense take a little push back in humor.

And if you do believe we are pursuing a "bad guy image," I think we don't have to hold any courtesy to begin with?

What makes you think I was not attempting humor?

In terms of public opinion, anything goes in public opinion, which is why evidence is introduced as a factor that will hopefully separate the mass assumptions and accusations from valid statements that people agree to. Ignoring that census is pulling on the very structure of contemporary society. So excuse me for complying partially with civilization.

I don't think we need your specific approval to "flex in public," not to mention we have been "flexing" in the public.

Since you stated clearly that you are responding to a statement that you found irritating to begin with, why the hypocrisy now?
 
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What follows is from one Fuel Rat to a Thread with lots of fun to be had. Righting some wrongs, clearing confusion, ranting...

Well, that rule does not exist on the fuel rats' website. YES it does. It's called common decency. You ambush them, they will blacklist you on their site. No we won't.
You will be hunted by pirate and bounty hunter alike. You will be shunned by traders. Denied by stations. Cast out from factions. You will be unable to walk into any tavern. Mothers will use your name to scare their children into obedience and your records will be expunged from the Pilots Federation. You will die miserable and alone in the cold black of space. Dat RP tho !
I would, in fact, be really impressed if you managed to extort money from more than a hundred CMDRs that make a loss everytime they rescue someone.
With 45k in exploration data from every Rescue I participate in, I'm making a HUGE loss.
I don't imagine many fuel rats taking shieldless Type-7s into unknown encounters.
I would if the T7 had decent jump range.
No link? Sounds a bit like hand-me-down hearsay to me., because I'm not sure how any griefer can hold a player for ransom. :) While in dialogue, just exit to menu, then enter in solo or private. (Or does something prevent you from doing this? Thankfully it's never happened to me, and never will. ;) )
The Hostage agreed to be held because he's THAT Awesome.
What you are referring to is called Combat Logging (even if you do it via the legal 15 second count down screen) Hasn't FD stated the "legal" 15 seconds wait is in fact NOT Combat-Logging ? I'd understand you thinking of it that way tho, if someone's killed engines and doesn't speak for 15 seconds it might not be that big a deal, yet...
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I know they've had offers of armed support - which I believe they'd rather avoid- Yes please, we'd like to avoid that.
Extortion just wouldn't work. You can extort my limpets any time ! just stand 900m from me in conventional space.
Fuel rats are skilled players with likely more time, money and experience. I'm a Fuel Rat and this is my second space-sim (First Love being Escape Velocity Nova) so I'm not skilled, have a full-time job and no money (in-game or out). Experience, that I do have after 32 successful rescues as of writing.
So I would expect them to be prepared for something like this. I never prepare for an Ambush. I prepare for a fuel-less CMDR on emergency oxygen.
Also might result in Fuel rat group wide bounty. A what-wide what now ? We have simple rules to abide to :
1- We have fuel
2- You don't
3- Any Questions ?

Nowhere is there mention of "group" or "bounty". Yet we like the occasional Snickers bar.
They might stop helping people. Nope.
Just out of curiosity do any Fuel Rats use the Diamondback Explorer as a fuel ship? Some do.
Probably be more profitable to join the rats under a fake name. Listen for the calls for help then beat the rats to the victim make em pay upfront pretending to be a rat and then leave em. No crime, no fine and an easy target. Would also damage their rep. I don't see how that'd be possible. You'd need to say you're going there, the client would then say on IRC that he's been ransacked/shot and we'd never let you wing up with clients... That's why we have a Roster you have to ask to be put on. ACCEPT NOT SUBSTITUTE !
A few more things about the Fuel Rats :
Most of us are in-game "rich"; not me we will not wail and quail at rebuy costs Yes I will. and if one of us needs financial help I'll mine painite for them all day to help them out You're a peach, you know that ?

And I think that's all.
 
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What you are referring to is called Combat Logging (even if you do it via the legal 15 second count down screen)Hasn't FD stated the "legal" 15 seconds wait is in fact NOT Combat-Logging ? I'd understand you thinking of it that way tho, if someone's killed engines and doesn't speak for 15 seconds it might not be that big a deal, yet...

FD says a lot of things, like "submit and hopping is an exploit!"

Okay guys, how many of you are an exploiter? (For those you don't know, submitting to an interdicting and jumping right after is what "submit and hopping" is. Doesn't matter high wake/low wake)

Do you honestly think logging out of the game with people on your rear shooting/interacting with you in the same normal space in 15 seconds without stating anything is legitimate?
 
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FD says a lot of things, like "submit and hopping is an exploit!"

Okay guys, how many of you are an exploiter? (For those you don't know, submitting to an interdicting and jumping right after is what "submit and hopping" is. Doesn't matter high wake/low wake)

Do you honestly think logging out of the game with people on your rear shooting/interacting with you in the same normal space in 15 seconds without stating anything is legitimate?

I'll submit and jump all day if I want to - if that annoys my pursuer then that's even better, I'll just submit and jump MOAR! but I'll never log off.

"If they catch you, they will kill you. But first, they must catch you."
 
Why yuh gotta quote de most traumatisin ting of fi mi artificial childhood?

I find it very apt, and it's a lovely quote :D

I do find it interesting though, that the "exploit" list seems to be growing at an alarming rate. Doing any of the following will have you put on a KOS list by some group or other.

Submit and jumping.
Submit and going silent.
Submit and log off legitimately.
Escape interdction, enter normalspace, go silent.
Escape interdiction, log off legitimately.
Submit to interdiction, and blast interdictor to teeny bits.
Submit to interdiction, wing up, and blast interdictor in to ever teenier bits.

All of these seem to induce RAEG for some reason and get interdictors rather upset.
 
I find it very apt, and it's a lovely quote :D

I do find it interesting though, that the "exploit" list seems to be growing at an alarming rate. Doing any of the following will have you put on a KOS list by some group or other.

Submit and jumping.
Submit and going silent.
Submit and log off legitimately.
Escape interdction, enter normalspace, go silent.
Escape interdiction, log off legitimately.
Submit to interdiction, and blast interdictor to teeny bits.
Submit to interdiction, wing up, and blast interdictor in to ever teenier bits.

All of these seem to induce RAEG for some reason and get interdictors rather upset.

You're very mean to not be a target for another player through multiple legitimate game avenues, you know. For SHAME, AE; for shame. What if I really wanted to kill you or something? Don't you consider the feelings of others in times like these?
 
You're very mean to not be a target for another player through multiple legitimate game avenues, you know. For SHAME, AE; for shame. What if I really wanted to kill you or something? Don't you consider the feelings of others in times like these?

Oh I forgot one.

Submit to interdiction. Blow yourself up.

:D
 
I do find it interesting though, that the "exploit" list seems to be growing at an alarming rate. Doing any of the following will have you put on a KOS list by some group or other.

If in doubt, make it up as you go along seems to be the trend. My preferred method is simply to slow to minimum SC speed and keep my nose pointed at them. Then it becomes a battle of patience and they can never win that.:D No doubt that will be classed as an "exploit" soon enough.
 
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If in doubt, make it up as you go along seems to be the trend. My preferred method is simply to slow to minimum SC speed and keep my nose pointed at them. Then it becomes a battle of patience and they can never win that.:D No doubt that will be classed as an "exploit" soon enough.

Urgh that is game-breaking! Do not meet the parameters for interdiction. Needs an immediate nerf! :D
 
I'll submit and jump all day if I want to - if that annoys my pursuer then that's even better, I'll just submit and jump MOAR! but I'll never log off.

"If they catch you, they will kill you. But first, they must catch you."

Lol trust me, I done it so many times it's not even funny(though I try not to after it got announced being an exploit [Wiggle around/turn and burn]), which is why I say FD's words on what is an exploit and what is not have no weight whatsoever.

FD, when you stipulate laws with no intention to reinforce them, they aren't laws and no one will respect them.

Simple punishment and reward, set up hard in-game mechanics to prevent undesired actions, or seriously punish people for offenses.
 
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Lol trust me, I done it so many times it's not even funny(though I try not to after it got announced being an exploit [Wiggle around/turn and burn]), which is why I say FD's words on what is an exploit and what is not have no weight whatsoever.

Got to agree with you there. Did FD come up with a definitive list of what is and is not an exploit? If so then I have not seen it. Combat logging I would agree is an exploit, but exercising pilot skill at managing shields under fire, choosing a suitable destination, ship maneuver to align with destination under fire with potentially multiple hostiles or celestial objects obscuring destination under fire, and all sorts of other things that go on in these circumstances - I would not say that is exploiting.
 
And if you do believe we are pursuing a "bad guy image," I think we don't have to hold any courtesy to begin with?

What makes you think I was not attempting humor?

In terms of public opinion, anything goes in public opinion, which is why evidence is introduced as a factor that will hopefully separate the mass assumptions and accusations from valid statements that people agree to. Ignoring that census is pulling on the very structure of contemporary society. So excuse me for complying partially with civilization.

I don't think we need your specific approval to "flex in public," not to mention we have been "flexing" in the public.

Since you stated clearly that you are responding to a statement that you found irritating to begin with, why the hypocrisy now?


Once again the point completely escapes you.
 
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