Multi quote being a pain again - sorry buddy I had not noticed it did that.
Will edit / correct it now.
The quote was at JC
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Multi quote being a pain again - sorry buddy I had not noticed it did that.
Will edit / correct it now.
The quote was at JC
I think this post from Sandro tells you how they view Powerplay - clearly they don't see it as some kind of team versus team in live ship to ship confrontation - not least because as we know the game simply can't support that.
It's basically allowing players to play the background sim - just a part of the game - nothing more.
Hello Commander Raist!
Don't worry, I'm not going to try to force you to like Powerplay
. But I do have a few comments you might find interesting.
Firstly, and importantly, Elite will not "become" Powerplay. It kind of can't, really. It's an addition to the background simulation, nothing more or less. Now you don't have to believe me, but we are working on lots of other stuff as well, equally important, and covering different aspects of the game, including the "core" experience, if you will. Elite is still about the actions you take as the Commander of a space ship.
When I look at Powerplay, what I actually see, at its heart, is a part of the background simulation where AI is replaced with human Commanders. When you think about it in terms of its systems, that shouldn't be too much of an outlandish concept. And I hold that there's something pretty cool about this, for everyone, including Commanders who have nothing to do with Powerplay directly.
So yes, we want to work on the system to increase the fun factor, make the rewards for taking part more appropriate, but it's key to remember that this is only to keep interesting shifts in the backdrop for everyone.
I can understand the fear that Powerplay is all there is, simply because it's the most visible thing at the moment. That's because it's live, and because we feel it could benefit from changes (and this is why we're talking, right
).
There's other stuff coming, and I reckon, in time, people are going to realise that Powerplay is just another facet, another way to play the game, but certainly not the only way, and certainly not the "best" way.
So, I could be wrong, but I think an amount of the flak that the system is getting is down to this mismatch in perception of how important Powerplay is. The truth is, as long as Powerplay's interesting enough for *some* folk, it's working. But that shouldn't mean we don't try to maximize the number of folk who like it, surely?
In conclusion, for those folk who dislike Powerplay: that's fine, but there's no need to dislike it purely on the grounds that it is Elite. It's not. It's a bit of Elite, like trading, minor factions, the crime system etc.
We have an ongoing dev cycle for the game, for which I'm eternally grateful to the powers that be for, because it means we get to carry on making things better and better in this game I love. And part of that cycle is this bit, where we get to collect feedback from the folk who play the game, which, traumatic though it can be - I also love!
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=169489&p=2592790&viewfull=1#post2592790
It's basically allowing players to play the background sim - just a part of the game - nothing more.
Hello Commander Raist!
Don't worry, I'm not going to try to force you to like Powerplay
. But I do have a few comments you might find interesting.Firstly, and importantly, Elite will not "become" Powerplay. It kind of can't, really. It's an addition to the background simulation, nothing more or less. Now you don't have to believe me, but we are working on lots of other stuff as well, equally important, and covering different aspects of the game, including the "core" experience, if you will. Elite is still about the actions you take as the Commander of a space ship.
When I look at Powerplay, what I actually see, at its heart, is a part of the background simulation where AI is replaced with human Commanders. When you think about it in terms of its systems, that shouldn't be too much of an outlandish concept. And I hold that there's something pretty cool about this, for everyone, including Commanders who have nothing to do with Powerplay directly.
So yes, we want to work on the system to increase the fun factor, make the rewards for taking part more appropriate, but it's key to remember that this is only to keep interesting shifts in the backdrop for everyone.
I can understand the fear that Powerplay is all there is, simply because it's the most visible thing at the moment. That's because it's live, and because we feel it could benefit from changes (and this is why we're talking, right
There's other stuff coming, and I reckon, in time, people are going to realise that Powerplay is just another facet, another way to play the game, but certainly not the only way, and certainly not the "best" way.
So, I could be wrong, but I think an amount of the flak that the system is getting is down to this mismatch in perception of how important Powerplay is. The truth is, as long as Powerplay's interesting enough for *some* folk, it's working. But that shouldn't mean we don't try to maximize the number of folk who like it, surely?
In conclusion, for those folk who dislike Powerplay: that's fine, but there's no need to dislike it purely on the grounds that it is Elite. It's not. It's a bit of Elite, like trading, minor factions, the crime system etc.
We have an ongoing dev cycle for the game, for which I'm eternally grateful to the powers that be for, because it means we get to carry on making things better and better in this game I love. And part of that cycle is this bit, where we get to collect feedback from the folk who play the game, which, traumatic though it can be - I also love!
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=169489&p=2592790&viewfull=1#post2592790
So.
Either -
Open is a wasteland, devoid of any player interaction (mostly interpreted as "having no players to shoot at")
or
Open is far more risky due to player interaction (mostly interpreted as "being shot at by players")
I'm confused.
Tell me about it.
I seen these conflicting statements in the first mega. Could not make sense of it then, still cannot now.
No, it's not you who is confused. It's the spoon that is confused.I'm confused.
I think I may have mixed up a meme here.
Ok, now I'm confused.
It's easy;
There is no Open,
There is no Groups,
There is no Solo.
There are too many players upon us,
There are too few players upon us.
We are alone among many,
There is only self.
Finally! The pennies are dropping! (Mohrgan..you just have to expand this idea to the whole game! It is not JUST PP. This is the whole design basis of E: D, and why the modes work)
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You are one movie buff!
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
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So you're saying I'm a dreamer? Well, you may say that, but I'm not the only one. I hope some day you'll join us, and the world will be as one"That's the kind of wooly-headed liberal thinking that leads to being eaten."
This could go on for a while
No, I will stay in solo, I want no part of this 'one world' as you call it! It will only lead to thread upon thread of circular arguments!
Sorry Ziggy, couldn't resist!
....It will only lead to thread upon thread of circular arguments!
....
I'd not go with circular, as open advocates bounce between "social interaction" and "risk v reward".
I think this is more fitting of the situation;
Well, at least until a new reason is used on why open players should be treated better than everyone else, then we'd end up with;
Sure, but it is not required for PP to work. It's just a added possibility. I don't believe defeating a player like that gains you any merits. That has to be indicative of something.
Well, I got a friendly reminder why not to play open this morning.
It was actually a misclick, but since I was just moving to my base after the Bast CG I decided not to relog.
When I arrived at my homebase and was on the final leg, I was intrigued to see some combat going on around the station. I thought nothing more of it and continued towareds it.
Some guy who was being attacked by the security forces zipped by me and there was contact, thereby incurring a 200 cr fine on me as I was speeding. 2 seconds after that the station opened fire at me and I was on the security screen. Not exactly sure how that happened though.
I guess I relearned my lesson there
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insurance screen, not security screen
So if you clip players or they clip you station security doesn't allow you to pay off your fine it just open fires? That doesn't happen with NPC's I've cliped a few and incured fines but was still able to get into the station and pay them off.
The issue is.. if you want to do that in Open, fine. It is not a part of PP but you can add it in, the issues come when those that want to do PVP with PP look to those who are playing it normally and complaining that it isn't fair. It is fair.. your playing a different version of it.. don't force everyone else to play that way as well . Oh.. you still have yet to explain your accusations of me... patiently awaiting your response.
They are equal, to borrow an analogy from before, "Company pays 5k to anyone who can scale the mountain. Some choose to go alone, some choose to work in groups, others choose to compete with each other. No matter how difficult people make it for themselves.. the company still only pays the 5k. It was the player's choice on how to get to the top."
Player interaction is available in 2 modes. And No, but.. I could see making ship parts, weapons, etc tradeable items, even ship chasis if you have a big enough transport.. You can find places that have those mods available, buy a bunch and transport them elsewhere for a profit and the station can sell them until they run out.
I'm sorry but this is absolute crap. Solo players, Group players, and Open players have the same amount of risk, the only difference is NPC or human doing it. This whole fallacy of open is hard solo easy was debunked long ago.
Personally feel that it should not be tied to CG. Someone else had an idea that I felt was reasonable in tying the insurance cost for the ships the wanted player destroyed to their own insurance. That and players can place bounties on people that killed them or severly damaged them when they were clean, but they have to have the funds to pay the bounty and it is withdrawn from their account when the bounty is placed.
Forced pvp or mode specific.. nope.. nada, not gonna happen.
The suggestions are a blatant attempt at making one mode prefereable over others. NO.
You say without nerfing solo but your primary aim has been to add "features" to open that are not available elsewhere. The Modes are equal, the only difference is the ability to shoot people.
I can confirm Multiquote is borked.
Also, anyone notice that quotes are now NOT in italics?
Oh, could this be the big Gamescon information - they are going to improve the forums?
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