Elite Dangerous and Windows 10 Discussion thread.

[Parmo]

Did you know that all Core Dynamics craft use an embedded Windows OS version for their flight computer systems?
It's really bad at power management; it's why you can't get the Vulture to supply enough power for it's potential maximum hardpoint and module loadout.

Another company, Penguin Flight Systems, develop and sell the on board flight and control systems for the Moray Starboat. It is very reliable, stable and has been proven with many millions of in service flight days to be immune from virus attack. It is has no other functionality and it is always kept totally separate from the in-ship entertainment systems that the Windows OS has intrinsically built into it.
There has been some recent reports that it has been possible to take control over ships by hijacking their entertainment systems via their media data stream protocols.
There has also been reports that some voice recognition systems are also prone to misinterpret commands at unfortunate moments when using Windows flight software. The BSOD flight recorders from some accidents seem to indicate the command 'boost' was a prime suspect given in these cases, more so when docking and undocking.

The other note worthy thing is that the Windows terms of licence does not allow any other company's software to be present in a ship's system or any other hardware installed in the ship.

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[Chann3l]

What works for individuals does not necessarily work for places with 450+ workstations from multiple vendors. We have to do a lot more than just make E: D work on a single PC. If you've had no issues you are lucky. You are the exception, not the rule and I speak from being bitten far too many times by MS software after tens of thousands of workstation and server installs. Win10 is simply not to the standard I expect at this point for a corporate product.

Win8 resulted in more conversions to Linux than any other OS on our campus. From what I see today this trend will continue and with my full support.

I know and I work in IT and we aren't pushing 10 yet for obvious reasons. Enterprise isn't actually available today anyway but I wasn't speaking for business. I was strictly speaking personal use. If you were talking about not deploying to your clients I wouldn't have any way of knowing that as you didn't mention it. If that's the case I agree that it's better to wait in situations where downtime actually costs money.

 

[SMcA]

this right here. windows 7 is working fine for me. why on earth would i 'upgrade'? probably won't use windows 10 until i buy a new pc.

My reason is I have an unused laptop with Win 8. I really dislike Win 8
So I will try Win 10 on that first

 

[Chann3l]

My reason is I have an unused laptop with Win 8. I really dislike Win 8
So I will try Win 10 on that first

If the metro UI is what you don't like about 8, you'll enjoy 10. Other than that it feels about the same as 8

 

[meneldil]

windows all worked fine until it whent live... now it is slow

 

[EAGLE 5]

I went ahead and installed it on my lunch break.. Hopefully I get to test it tonight.

The computer seems to be running at the same speed as with win 8.1 so no problem there, I'll have to see how well games work now.

 

[Unholymoondog]

Hi there Commanders,

I tested Elite and Win10 a few times during the Win10 Insider program. The game always crashed on me during the transition from normal space to Supercruise or when I jumped.
So far so good, in the meantime Nvidia released more drivers and Elite is working just fine, but since the final Win10 version I have suddenly major problems with my flightstick X52. Everything works fine, except when I am done playing Elite and disconnect the flightstick. The mouse is not responding correctly anymore. The buttons don't work, the PC starts to beep and the mouse movement is more than laggy. Even a system shutdown is not working correctly.
Is anyone else having those problems? I am just curious, maybe someone found a fix?

I done a fresh Win10 pro install today and have the exact same problem, all is fine until the X52pro is removed. Noticed that the Saitek drivers are still unsigned which also caused a few issues, tried disabling driver signing and I'm still having the problem. There have always been issues with driver signing with Saitek and they still haven't fixed it after all this time. IIRC they say it's due to drivers in the package that they didn't write, therefore they do not take responsibility for them.

I tried the usual fixes but no joy, looks like we will have to wait for an updated driver from Saitek. I dread to think how long that will take!

 

[Chann3l]

I done a fresh Win10 pro install today and have the exact same problem, all is fine until the X52pro is removed. Noticed that the Saitek drivers are still unsigned which also caused a few issues, tried disabling driver signing and I'm still having the problem. There have always been issues with driver signing with Saitek and they still haven't fixed it after all this time. IIRC they say it's due to drivers in the package that they didn't write, therefore they do not take responsibility for them.

I tried the usual fixes but no joy, looks like we will have to wait for an updated driver from Saitek. I dread to think how long that will take!

Note to self: don't unplug x55 until new driver arrives.

 

[gooddoc]

I would like to hear from some people running mid-range system on how it affects performance on Elite before I upgrade, but in the end I guess I might not have a choice...

Im running Elite now after updating Windows 10 on my HP AMD A8 with Radeon A5 graphics.
Not had any noticeable issues, but i run Elite on Medium settings. Program just tried to send a crash message when i saved & exited the game a couple of times

 

[Jacob Marshall]

Win 10 installed, so far so very good...almost too good tbh, nothing is broken and all the nightmares I had with 8.1 seem to have vanished.

This I wasn't expecting.

 

[Windscreen Smudge]

It works just fine on Windows 10. I've been playing on it since March, didn't see this thread until now, sorry.

 

[Jacob Marshall]

Can anyone confirm if the following work with Windows 10?:

- Opentrack (with PointTracker and freetrack)
- Joystick Curves
- PS3 Eye (CL Eye driver)

J-Curves is a yes, no issues.
EDtracker is fine, so might be tempted to say Opentrack is ought to be ok.
PS3 can't help you with, sorry.

 

[CMDR MAIN SEQUENCE]

J-Curves is a yes, no issues.
EDtracker is fine, so might be tempted to say Opentrack is ought to be ok.
PS3 can't help you with, sorry.

Many thanks. Good news re Joystick Curves that would have been a deal-breaker. Would give you rep but you have it disabled so no point

 

[Blucross]

I done a fresh Win10 pro install today and have the exact same problem, all is fine until the X52pro is removed. Noticed that the Saitek drivers are still unsigned which also caused a few issues, tried disabling driver signing and I'm still having the problem. There have always been issues with driver signing with Saitek and they still haven't fixed it after all this time. IIRC they say it's due to drivers in the package that they didn't write, therefore they do not take responsibility for them.

I tried the usual fixes but no joy, looks like we will have to wait for an updated driver from Saitek. I dread to think how long that will take!

I have the exact same issue. It occurred with my X-52 and my X-55. I have tried using a powered USB hub both 2.0 and 3.0, disabling USB 3.0 in bios, clean install of OS and Saitek Drivers etc.. No matter what, when I unplug my HOTAS windows beeps constantly, mouse becomes laggy and unresponsive. It is only fixed by a restart. Now, I either leave the HOTAS plugged in always, or shut down to unplug it.

I've done a lot of research and this issue is fairly common when googling terms like "windows beeping mouse lag." As it turns out, I have yet to see a fix for it. The Saitek configuration program also crashes in Win10 for me and is not reliable at all.

Ultimately, I have yet to find anyone using a Saitek HOTAS with Win10 that does not experience this issue.

 

[Lestat]

Well I did have the crash when you log off the game you get a crash report. But otherwise the game runs great. Had a issue with sound but it was more due to headphones Logitech G930. All I had to reinstall the drivers and now it works fine.

 

[Jacob Marshall]

yeh its the graphics driver, mine did same, all amd and windows drivers (15.7) make me lose FPS in SC, installing win 8 drivers instead fixed it for me.

Check this thread for more details.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=165645

This is about the only issue I've had with W10; deleted the latest driver and went back to 15.6, and now no problems at all. This is the smoothest OS upgrade I experienced.

Many thanks. Good news re Joystick Curves that would have been a deal-breaker. Would give you rep but you have it disabled so no point

Same, J-Curves is essential for me, would have gone back to 8.1 if it didn't work

 

[s0litaire]

It's running on my win10 upgrade with a few small problems.

Every now and again i keep getting short pauses just before the jump animation and while entering the docking bay "toaster rack" area. Not doing it all the time just enough to be noticed.

Also the stutter problem is now more pronounced than before at times.

Might do a clean install of win10 and elite at the weekend,see if that sorts things out..

 

[drchek]

I done a fresh Win10 pro install today and have the exact same problem, all is fine until the X52pro is removed. Noticed that the Saitek drivers are still unsigned which also caused a few issues, tried disabling driver signing and I'm still having the problem. There have always been issues with driver signing with Saitek and they still haven't fixed it after all this time. IIRC they say it's due to drivers in the package that they didn't write, therefore they do not take responsibility for them.

I tried the usual fixes but no joy, looks like we will have to wait for an updated driver from Saitek. I dread to think how long that will take!

Just jumping in to say that I have the exact same issue with my X55 and the release version of Windows 10. When I unplug it the mouse becomes unresponsive and beeps leaving only a machine reset to get back in control.

Have either of you raised this issue with Saitek/Mad Catz yet? (Edit: I just raised a support ticket with Saitek on this issue. Will keep everyone posted on what comes of it.)

 

[Tarod]

Haha I just did the upgrade, should have read this before I've been running the preview build at work since it first released and just kicked off the upgrade at home a few minutes ago. Unlike 8 though it doesn't seem to be getting all angry about my Asus unified drivers for sound card.

Note : anyone using edtracker, you'll probably have to find it in device manager and reinstall the driver. Edtracker software is recognizing it but open track is not, don't have time to look right now but I'm guessing that's the issue, will update.

Ok, if you, as me has upgraded to Win X and have an edTracker... chances are that it's working fine (as mine now) or not (as mine 1 hour ago).


If you log into ED and see your control scheme is not working, test this:
- Exit Elite Dangerous
- Unplug your EdTracker device (if you have EdTracker GUI It will crash now...)
- Plug your EdTracker device
- Relaunch Elite Dangerous


This happens because when ED starts it parses all bindings files, and those without a valid controller are not shown at Controls selection dropdown nor active.


On updating to Windows 10, EdTracker is recognized first as a COM device (not joystick), which is OK since it's arduino based and the EdTracker GUI connects through COM to it, but it's also a HID (Human Interface Device aka control device). However, somewhere in the update process it's not recognized as HID and only as COM. Plug/unPlug resets it's state (a reboot while plugged doesn't trigger the driver recognition)


If you happen to copy your custom.binds to your very own file and it's not shown on the controls list, this is likely the cause.

 

[EAGLE 5]

I did a quick run of the game yesterday and so far it looks to be running great!

I might be suffering from placebo effect but approaching a busy gas giant with rings and multiple extraction zones at SC I didn't notice any stutter.