If you think FD knee jerks, don't. They are smart enough to evaluate their own design case by case, judging by actual scenarios.
Nerf crowd about to ruin the game again
- Thread starter dc83
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4 or 5 isn't overwhlming....
Interesting point of view OP. I do carry SCBs when i go on extended PvE hunts like combat zones, simply due to the intensity of the battles and i don't want to be taking breaks while i wait for my shields to recharge. But for bounty hunting a find them not really needed.
I'm not a PvPer, although had a tussle or two, but watching vids on youtube of two PvPers spamming SCBs.... well, it does make the combat more protracted... and boring.
My personal preference for SCBs would for them simply to be single use that recharge by themselves, but take a good few minutes to do so. So basically you can fire them once per fight at best (unless its a very long fight). Not sure how well it would work in reality, but feel perhaps better than the current situation.
As for FD knee jerking, its probably more a case of them agreeing with the vocal crowd on some occasions, and perhaps they didn't have the change high on their priority list, but after the vocal ones start making noise they decide they may as well increase the priority of the change.
Its a two edged sword really. They do what people are crying for and some people will complain. They don't do what people are crying for and some people will say FD don't listen. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.
I'm not a PvPer, although had a tussle or two, but watching vids on youtube of two PvPers spamming SCBs.... well, it does make the combat more protracted... and boring.
My personal preference for SCBs would for them simply to be single use that recharge by themselves, but take a good few minutes to do so. So basically you can fire them once per fight at best (unless its a very long fight). Not sure how well it would work in reality, but feel perhaps better than the current situation.
As for FD knee jerking, its probably more a case of them agreeing with the vocal crowd on some occasions, and perhaps they didn't have the change high on their priority list, but after the vocal ones start making noise they decide they may as well increase the priority of the change.
Its a two edged sword really. They do what people are crying for and some people will complain. They don't do what people are crying for and some people will say FD don't listen. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.
Maybe people want things change because they see the need for change? Why should your opinion be more relevant than mine, or anyone else's? Maybe they see an imbalance in the game that you either don't see, don't want to see or incapable of seeing?
It would stand to reason that the developers would 'go with what the noisiest bunch wants' they are the only ones vocalising their concerns in numbers.
On your pet subject of the day: SBCs - are they affecting gameplay? I don't use them myself, I personally consider them akin to a 'powerboost' but it seems that combat isn't now about who has the better ship, and who is more skilled, it is who has the most SBCs. In another thread you stated you need them for when you are jumped upon by a NPC wing. So should we nerf NPC wings? Get the code rolled back to where NPC's were just fat dumb targets who would line up for your shots one by one?
FD can't please all the players all they time, the best they can do is look after the majority that voice their concerns.
The reason these nerfs happen gradually is because the majority player base becomes experienced and no longer finds these things challenging. Sucks for new people who will come along and have a harder time getting to where the vets got prior to Nerfapalooza 2015.
Was reffering to how many wanted the nerf, not including myself because I'm 90% sure it won't happen because a majority already adjusted to the new SCB+SB shield meta created with them.
SCBs just delay the inevitable combat logging. Take away the SCB, the combat log happens sooner. No one wants to lose a 10m Cr deductible.
Uh... you are certainly entitled to that opinion but I must sincerely disagree to the latter statement... by a large margin.
They don't respond to the community fast/appropriately enough, improving, yes, but not quite there yet.
How many millions of "he combat logged" reports do you think are piled up on their mail server?
I have a problem with SCBs in general. They aren't balanced to begin with. You have to buy them, then you have to pay to reload them, then you take a power hit for having them active. It doesn't make any sense. I'd not take a power hit for having extra batteries in my vehicle or boat. I'd take a weight hit, but it's not like my main battery would be stressed if I provided a CELL bank to assist in the recharge. If anything, my power plant should have more capacity if I use cell banks. Either don't charge me for a reload or don't tax my power plant. Doing both is a nerf already.
So you think you should never die in Elite: Dangerous?
That's enough for the developers to ignore you completely.
Let's cut another mail slot at the other end of the station so we don't meet outgoing ships as we are approaching, and no need to rotate to leave.
Nonya
Banned
Wow. Some really shortsighted folks in here. They kill PvP they kill the game.
Just because dc83 doesn't have the skills to survive properly in open doesn't mean FDEV needs to "nerf" anything just to make her happy.
But I know, a lot of you will just say "meh, those PvP folks don't matter" but you fail to realize they really do.
They're the ones building dedicated player groups, setting up TS servers, playing the game far longer hours than most.
They test the things you traders and mission runners do not. They think out of the box more and find more "bugs" and "exploits" by far than any other type of player in the game.
They're also the more active - and vocal - ones on various message boards across the internet.
If FDEV was horrendously stupid enough to kill off the PvP aspect of the game, word would spread like wildfire across the internet.
And the word would be "bad" and would literally tank sales of the game.
Every single games website on the planet would instantly slag them for it. Steam reviews would tank it in the ratings.
No one buys a crippled game that says one thing yet produces something completely different.
FDEV makes some really stupid moves at times but they're not that stupid.
Do not think for one moment there are not "other" games like this out there. Dare I say it - even better ones are on the near horizon.
They probably have by the time two games in particular launch later this year/early next year to get their act together otherwise there's going to be a mass exodus of their more experienced and dedicated player base that ain't coming back.
Just because dc83 doesn't have the skills to survive properly in open doesn't mean FDEV needs to "nerf" anything just to make her happy.
But I know, a lot of you will just say "meh, those PvP folks don't matter" but you fail to realize they really do.
They're the ones building dedicated player groups, setting up TS servers, playing the game far longer hours than most.
They test the things you traders and mission runners do not. They think out of the box more and find more "bugs" and "exploits" by far than any other type of player in the game.
They're also the more active - and vocal - ones on various message boards across the internet.
If FDEV was horrendously stupid enough to kill off the PvP aspect of the game, word would spread like wildfire across the internet.
And the word would be "bad" and would literally tank sales of the game.
Every single games website on the planet would instantly slag them for it. Steam reviews would tank it in the ratings.
No one buys a crippled game that says one thing yet produces something completely different.
FDEV makes some really stupid moves at times but they're not that stupid.
Do not think for one moment there are not "other" games like this out there. Dare I say it - even better ones are on the near horizon.
They probably have by the time two games in particular launch later this year/early next year to get their act together otherwise there's going to be a mass exodus of their more experienced and dedicated player base that ain't coming back.
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Was just re reading my post to see if I mispelled stuff and saw this little bit I missed before. Just so you know I don't care one way or the other about you, I care about the issue we were discussing, and I thought we were having a sensible mature discussion before I saw this.
Now things are getting interesting ..
So DC83, now you not only want your voice to be heard above all others, you also want one of the fundamental aspects of the game - PVP removed because you (and so far in this thread, you alone) don't like it? And please stop with the "it wasn't in the original games". Hell the original Elite didn't have colour and was wireframe, should we go back to that as well?
Pretty much the best argument against SCB's. If you don't want to fight combat zones full of anacondas and pythons with full racks of shield cells, if shield cells are thus unsuitable for PvE, why would anyone consider them suitable for PvP?
Nonya
Banned
You have your solo, which gives you everything you want thus making your anti-PvP points moot.