Horizons Beta & Lifetime Expansions - The Law on Distance Sales Act

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X-Terminator

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If it is advertised as Horizons Beta (it is) then under the distance sales act they must supply it within 1 month of taking payment. Getting the original game does not count as being supplied as this is the same for Lifetime pre-orders. Otherwise they can not legally hold our money. Expect to get Beta within 1 month or they infringe the law which is there due to illegal profits from nothing via interest rates without supplying.
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N.B. a Pre-Order is simply an invoice to order. It does NOT involve taking money on advance.
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The law being "the law" can not be altered under any such illegal contract.
 
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CMDR Charybdis

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Not wishing to enter into a legal debate with you, I'm sure you are aware that it was subsumed into the Consumer Contracts Regulations in 2014.

Change in regulations:
http://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/distance-selling-regulations

Updated to:
http://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/consumer-contracts-regulations

And I'll cherry pick the following quote from the second link:

The Consumer Contracts Regulations say that goods must be delivered within the time frame you agree with the seller.
If no time frame is agreed, the seller has to deliver 'without undue delay' and at the very latest not more than 30 days from the day after the contract is made.
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If Frontier states a time frame then one has been agreed when the contract is entered into. So if they say Q1 2016 then there is no "without undue delay" or within 30 days part of the regulation to invoke.
 
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X-Terminator

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That is a Release date of the finished game. As a Beta then I am not prepared to wait 6months. That is totally not reasonable. Add the illegal profit on the total sales of this without supplying and that is the issue. Thanks for the updated regs.
 

CMDR Charybdis

CMDR Charybdis
That's fine on what you're not prepared to accept, but with "Holiday 2015", pre-order clearly stated, and content is delivered over a one year period. I think you'll have to show standing for getting it earlier, or all the content on that time frame.

Dang... I got dragged in and didn't mean to. Sorry.

Happy to have updated the info on the regulations for you.
 

LCplCombat

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X-Terminator said:
If it is advertised as Horizons Beta (it is) then under the distance sales act they must supply it within 1 month of taking payment. Getting the original game does not count as being supplied as this is the same for Lifetime pre-orders. Otherwise they can not legally hold our money. Expect to get Beta within 1 month or they infringe the law which is there due to illegal profits from nothing via interest rates without supplying.
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http://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/consumer-contracts-regulations

From 13 June 2014 the Consumer Contracts Regulations, which implement the Consumer Rights Directive in UK law, came into effect.
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Delivery of goods

The Consumer Contracts Regulations say that goods must be delivered within the time frame you agree with the seller.

If no time frame is agreed, the seller has to deliver 'without undue delay' and at the very latest not more than 30 days from the day after the contract is made.
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If the seller states a date in the pre-order offer to sell and you accept his offer to sell then you have agreed to his conditions of sale.
 

Nagual

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Instead of spouting quotes of bits of law, am sure that you could ask nicely, saying that since you haven't used the product you'd like a refund. People always forget about the carrots and go straight for the stick.
 

Privata

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You are using a law from before the age of the internet... there nothing ilegal here and everything they are doing has been said in the past.

they never said landing on planets would be part of the main game...

the game istelft is ''finished'' but there will allways be new stuff but devs need food/drink/timeoff/BJ so you need to make sure they have some form of income.
elite is the biggest space sim out there but it is the best

*Edit old laws mean nothing its still legal by that logic to request a duel to the death over nothing and still legal to burn witches.... so maybe lets not use old laws on new art
 
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jprelph

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I qualified as a barrister, not practising but obviously I know the ropes a bit and have a lot of friends who are practising - and I see more law quoted on internet forums than anywhere else. It doesn't always bear much relation with the actual legal position, but it's often an interesting read :)
 
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