Open PvE

[why fi at all]

You assume that that's my sole purpose. Again, we get into the problem with your perspective.

so i'm a mechanical engineer and once in a while, not very often i build and place a bomb in a public place set to explode when the place is crowded.
the bombs are not my sole purpose, my primary purpose is designing better ways to build automatic transmissions for trucks.
the bombs are just a hobby, so it's OK.

 

[why fi at all]

Never said that was your sole purpose and again you utterly evade the question. WHY do you do IT? Why do you and others purposely try to screw up other player's game or play style?

i've been away for a while and have 10 pages to catch up on.
the point where this message appears.

and i'll guess that he does not answer this question by the time i catch up enough, 10 pages to read this message.

it looks like another tactic used by the PVP "i enjoy killing you you so that hours of your time building that explorers data base and that nice cargo ship have been wasted" group and an example of why we need to establish that open is not a slaughter house for people to go into and get their e-peen stroked by killing people that don't have the skills or equipment to fight back.
it's just a PVP tactic used in the forums.

"if i keep acting like i don't understand what you are talking about eventually you will give up and go away and i win."

these arguments they keep presenting hold no water, and they know it.
their goal is not to win through logic.
their goal in the forum and in the game is to just wear down the hit points of the opposition till they just lay down and die from frustration.

they have no intention of winning these arguments with you or anyone else, they KNOW that their argument is without merit.
the arguments sole purpose it to make you shut up and go away.

so to argue with them on the issue they present is pointless.

however all their actions here in the forums are another good argument in favor of "open-pve" in the game.

 

[Jockey79]

<sigh> How many people PvP randomly set up rules between themselves? All those people on YouTube are PvP'ing with the rule that they won't kill each other. If you want to believe that is the expected outcome of all PvP...good on you. You win!

Again, you dance around the point.

You claimed PvP players pay out the most due to PvP, but as a few of us have shown, that is untrue - there are too many factors.
Some PvE fights can cost more than PvP fights, some PvP fights can cost more than PvE fights - but it is not constant.
We all have good days and bad ones, so claiming one way or another that any side has higher costs is utter rubbish - it is luck of the draw with each encounter.

 

[Fire70]

Again, you dance around the point.

You claimed PvP players pay out the most due to PvP, but as a few of us have shown, that is untrue - there are too many factors.
Some PvE fights can cost more than PvP fights, some PvP fights can cost more than PvE fights - but it is not constant.
We all have good days and bad ones, so claiming one way or another that any side has higher costs is utter rubbish - it is luck of the draw with each encounter.

They finally close the open v solo thread?

 

[Jockey79]

.....
however all their actions here in the forums are another good argument in favor of "open-pve" in the game.

Told them this in mega one and two - a few of us have said the reason some of us won't play open is due to attitudes on here.

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They finally close the open v solo thread?

Link in my sig, it is still active.

 

[Fire70]

Link in my sig, it is still active.

My head hurt everytime I go in there..

 

[Mouse]

i've been away for a while and have 10 pages to catch up on.
the point where this message appears.

and i'll guess that he does not answer this question by the time i catch up enough, 10 pages to read this message.

it looks like another tactic used by the PVP "i enjoy killing you you so that hours of your time building that explorers data base and that nice cargo ship have been wasted" group and an example of why we need to establish that open is not a slaughter house for people to go into and get their e-peen stroked by killing people that don't have the skills or equipment to fight back.
it's just a PVP tactic used in the forums.

"if i keep acting like i don't understand what you are talking about eventually you will give up and go away and i win."

these arguments they keep presenting hold no water, and they know it.
their goal is not to win through logic.
their goal in the forum and in the game is to just wear down the hit points of the opposition till they just lay down and die from frustration.

they have no intention of winning these arguments with you or anyone else, they KNOW that their argument is without merit.
the arguments sole purpose it to make you shut up and go away.

so to argue with them on the issue they present is pointless.

however all their actions here in the forums are another good argument in favor of "open-pve" in the game.

Nope they have still not answered the question at all, always evades.

 

[why fi at all]

Of course, but there must be someone, probably full time work for not only one person, who will look at the logs. And how much is actually logged server side, with the P2P networking code ?

Being a Solo/Mobius player, I am not against Open-PvE, but it must be implemented very carefully.

actually the flow chart for making those decisions is easy to write up and turn into something that is done automatically.

 

[Jockey79]

My head hurt everytime I go in there..

I have trouble sleeping, that thread is better than Nytol - reading the same flawed and debunked arguments just drains my mind and I drift off to a peaceful sleep.

 

[Mouse]

So we are 71 pages in and far the only slightly tangible argument against a PVE server has been a fear post of what griefers will do to the server because people wont' be in open.

 

[Jockey79]

So we are 71 pages in and far the only slightly tangible argument against a PVE server has been a fear post of what griefers will do to the server because people wont' be in open.

That seems to be the long and short of it.
If FD actually listen and give us a true PvE they will go ape trying to break it, but at least it will cause FD to step in and start banning them.
Of course, when that happens, normal Open will be a pleasant place to be and we won't need the PvE mode

 

[Mouse]

That seems to be the long and short of it.
If FD actually listen and give us a true PvE they will go ape trying to break it, but at least it will cause FD to step in and start banning them.
Of course, when that happens, normal Open will be a pleasant place to be and we won't need the PvE mode

Win / Win for both modes then

 

[SiriusSeven]

Wow. I started this thread months ago, got busy, stopped playing. I come back to read about Horizons and it's still on the front page!

Well, I still think it's a good idea -- but, I'm biased. Since posting this, Frontier have pushed out Power Play, and announced CQC, so it's clear the game is moving in the wrong direction for me. I think I'll hang back a little longer before pledging for Horizons.

 

[why fi at all]

I disagree only in the only ones they have to blame are themselves. The Dev's offered them PVP. It is like fishing.. offer someone a pond to fish in and they can have fun, if they throw away the fishing pole and bring a boat and nets in then complain to you that there is no more fish in the pond, they have no one to blame but themselves.

one of the better analogies i have seen of the reason people object so loudly to an open-pve setting.

 

[david6768]

I am a new game owner and new to the forums so yes I am reading some older stuff, as for the whiff of socks I have no idea who or what you are referring to.
Being new, I just happen to catch 2 of your "tough guy" posts in the same 5 minutes of reading. The first where you tell us all that you are a super duper martial arts mugger beater and the second where no one calls me a coward I am a hero and I found it amusing that we have "tough guys" showing how real life tough they are on a make believe video game forum that's all.
Have a nice day!

OH BTW what is the anti code text you are referring to as I haven't read that yet, or missed it
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I have apparently confused a post by another poster with a post by Dave1235, In retrospect is was not his post that I read and I was wrong for calling him Chuck Norris. My erroneous error has caused Dave1235 much heartache and this grievous travesty must not continue. This wrong must be righted. I was wrong and Dave1235 was right and he was not the original poster of the post that I commented on. Dave1235 has not now or ever to my knowledge posted about his toughness.
I hereby stand corrected

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Once again needless insults. Just because players like killing other players--or interacting with them, it does not make them a sociopath.

The hypocrisy is strong in this post

In short, PvP is not rare or meaningful. When CQC hits, FDev should flip the flags on open and say no more friendly fire...if you want PvP there are the Arenas. Just like Guild Wars 2.

There is no need to do this at all imo as why would guns not do damage? All it needs are the lasting consequences which one would expect for playing the role of serial killer in the 33rd century and that will be fine for open and ideally make an official Mobius like group.

FF is a vital mechanic for making us police our fire although I kind of think you know that and are being a little obtuse

In short, PvP is not rare or meaningful. When CQC hits, FDev should flip the flags on open and say no more friendly fire...if you want PvP there are the Arenas. Just like Guild Wars 2.

There is no need to do this at all imo as why would guns not do damage? All it needs are the lasting consequences which one would expect for playing the role of serial killer in the 33rd century and that will be fine for open and ideally make an official Mobius like group.

FF is a vital mechanic for making us police our fire although I kind of think you know that and are being a little obtuse

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

So we are 71 pages in and far the only slightly tangible argument against a PVE server has been a fear post of what griefers will do to the server because people wont' be in open.

You spent too much time in the megathread. It's not up to the pvpers to make the argument to stop it, they want the status quo this time. It's up to the pvers to make the argument since they want to change things up.

Tbh I haven't seen any arguments why it's worth it to fragment the player base further. The only one's ive seen are, there's a demand for it, and it would be nice for the players who are unaware of Mobius. Not anything to write home about imo.

I'm not even against it per say, I'd just rather not see open become only for combat professions, while the non combat professions switch to pve. There's already a pretty big divide but I think this would seal it.

 

[Jockey79]

You spent too much time in the megathread. It's not up to the pvpers to make the argument to stop it, they want the status quo this time. It's up to the pvers to make the argument since they want to change things up.

Tbh I haven't seen any arguments why it's worth it to fragment the player base further. The only one's ive seen are, there's a demand for it, and it would be nice for the players who are unaware of Mobius. Not anything to write home about imo.

I'm not even against it per say, I'd just rather not see open become only for combat professions, while the non combat professions switch to pve. There's already a pretty big divide but I think this would seal it.

As you've missed some pages then, the main and important reason is;

Currently people who want Co-op PvE have to rely on 1 member of the community - Mobius.
If he goes away on holiday or stops playing, there is no one left to accept new people or kick griefers.

An Open PvE mode would be run by FD themselves, so the whole thing won't hinge on 1 player.

Then add the fact people don't know about Mobius and that there is a demand for an Open PvE so people can have social interactions,
and you have a nice package showing why we need an Open PvE group.

And lets face it, why would we need the Mobius group if we had an Open PvE mode, some of you want the Mobius group to wither and die, a true PvE mode would kill it

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

As you've missed some pages then, the main and important reason is;

Currently people who want Co-op PvE have to rely on 1 member of the community - Mobius.
If he goes away on holiday or stops playing, there is no one left to accept new people or kick griefers.

An Open PvE mode would be run by FD themselves, so the whole thing won't hinge on 1 player.

Then add the fact people don't know about Mobius and that there is a demand for an Open PvE so people can have social interactions,
and you have a nice package showing why we need an Open PvE group.

And lets face it, why would we need the Mobius group if we had an Open PvE mode, some of you want the Mobius group to wither and die, a true PvE mode would kill it

Yea I did forget about that one. It is kinda is unfortunate that all that pressure is on Mobius to keep it running. However that could easily be solved by fd adding better group tools, ways to appoint moderators that can accept and kick players.

 

[Mouse]

You spent too much time in the megathread. It's not up to the pvpers to make the argument to stop it, they want the status quo this time. It's up to the pvers to make the argument since they want to change things up.

Tbh I haven't seen any arguments why it's worth it to fragment the player base further. The only one's ive seen are, there's a demand for it, and it would be nice for the players who are unaware of Mobius. Not anything to write home about imo.

I'm not even against it per say, I'd just rather not see open become only for combat professions, while the non combat professions switch to pve. There's already a pretty big divide but I think this would seal it.

In truth It is not really changing things up, at least not in the way some PVPers want. They are not asking for a completely separate server separate from the BGS or forcing people into a certain Mode. They are simply asking that instead of Solo, Open, and then having to search for a PVE group like Mobius, that there is simply a mode that they can go to. It would make groups like Mobius unnecessary and quite possibly bring more people together as they leave the groups and join in the mode. It would not fracture things more. And Group would still be there for those who just want to play with their friends.

As for the open becoming only for combat professions with traders vacating open, as I have said many times before, you need to look at those who are causing them to leave open. If they encounter someone like you, even loosing cargo they are usually enjoying the experience of the RP and not lose everything. But if they are blasted to heck and their cargo looted, why would they want to stay in open and just be some person's target?

A recent example https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=169599&p=2668471&viewfull=1#post2668471

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Yea I did forget about that one. It is kinda is unfortunate that all that pressure is on Mobius to keep it running. However that could easily be solved by fd adding better group tools, ways to appoint moderators that can accept and kick players.

Or just have a PVE mode so people dont' have to make the groups and ask for better tools..

and with that.. time I crashed for a few hours. Will reply to any replies when I'm more coherent