Well im looking to upgrade to one of the above any suggestions?
Ships Fer de Lance or Python?
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What do you want to use it for? I hope combat, otherwise the Python is always the better choice.
I have flown both extensively in combat and like them both. In the end, I settled with the Python and parked the FDL for now. The Python is more sturdy (2 SCB) in a conflict zone. FDL is quite fun at bounty hunting in RES, as it can "jump" from target to target more quickly.
To me, the FDL is probably the worst ship in game. I tried her once, and put just about every configuration on her I could think of, and in the end she was a tough ship to master. For $70 million, a good pilot in a Vulture could at lease take me to a draw, and escape with ease.
Now that said, I'm a small ship guy that just started tinkering with a Python, so I don't have much info to give you. However, my son is a Python nut, and only uses his Conda for exploring, as he prefers fighting in the Python.
Now that said, I'm a small ship guy that just started tinkering with a Python, so I don't have much info to give you. However, my son is a Python nut, and only uses his Conda for exploring, as he prefers fighting in the Python.
like he said. combat only: fdl. everything else included: python.
FDL FDL FDL FDL FDL.. sorry.. im biased.. As others have said.. If your into primarily combat and bounty hunting, then go the FDL, if you want to trade, mine with some combat inbetween then go the python.
I love the FDL so much, and it sounds like a tiger having unprotected sex with a ferrari.
I love the FDL so much, and it sounds like a tiger having unprotected sex with a ferrari.
I reckon the FDL is more like the Viper and Vulture i.e. a very focused combat ship that's fast and heavily armed, the Python is more multi role like the Asp and Cobra and capable of doing most things well
If you've got the cash can it be a real battlewagon as it's power systems will support a lot of high end modules whereas the FDL's power systems can be a bit limiting (like most fighters I suppose) once I get some more cash I'll probably try one as it was a difficult choice between it and the Python.
If you've got the cash can it be a real battlewagon as it's power systems will support a lot of high end modules whereas the FDL's power systems can be a bit limiting (like most fighters I suppose) once I get some more cash I'll probably try one as it was a difficult choice between it and the Python.
Reposting from an old, similar thread:
Python is a space Volvo, with all the positive and negative connotations that come with that label. Even from behind, they look somewhat similar. You can make the Python a 284 trader, and still have pretty hefty shields.
The Fer-de-Lance is like an Italian sports car, and the styling of ZPG ships are like the classic space-planes of the early years of Space travel, and have pretty nice interiors too.
If you could liken space travel to the human body, Faulcon deLacy is the brain, Gutamaya is the face, Lakon is the stomach but Zorgon Peterson is the heart and soul.
Python is a space Volvo, with all the positive and negative connotations that come with that label. Even from behind, they look somewhat similar. You can make the Python a 284 trader, and still have pretty hefty shields.
The Fer-de-Lance is like an Italian sports car, and the styling of ZPG ships are like the classic space-planes of the early years of Space travel, and have pretty nice interiors too.
If you could liken space travel to the human body, Faulcon deLacy is the brain, Gutamaya is the face, Lakon is the stomach but Zorgon Peterson is the heart and soul.
No good sir, just no.
A better analogy is the Python outfitted for combat is Christopher Nolan's Batmobile 'Tumbler'. Its a tank with decent movement that can soak up damage and deal out a massive punch. And it is difficult to mass lock since the Anaconda is too slow and most other ships too small.
Yes ...the Fer-de-Lance is an Italian sports car. Insanely fast, nimble, fun ....and horribly impractical with the tendency to set itself on fire, just like the best Lamborghini's and Ferrari's
I just got done flying one for a few days and I'm out ....the constant module management and fiddling with settings gets tedious to me, as does the constant need to fine tune and purpose build, finding stations on the fly to switch things up for every single slight change.
It really is a 'flyers ship' for those that enjoy manually fiddling, tweaking and balancing ....nothing wrong with that.
But I'm back to the Python where I simply run that gigantic A class powerplant and then load everything in their with combat gear all at once, including exploration equipment and 128 ton cargo hold ...and can leave everything turned on at the same time
You have to compare with civilian cars rather than fantasy things like the Batmobile (which is what the QUEST would be, not the Python).No good sir, just no.
A better analogy is the Python outfitted for combat is Christopher Nolan's Batmobile 'Tumbler'. Its a tank with decent movement that can soak up damage and deal out a massive punch. And it is difficult to mass lock since the Anaconda is too slow and most other ships too small.
Yes ...the Fer-de-Lance is an Italian sports car. Insanely fast, nimble, fun ....and horribly impractical with the tendency to set itself on fire, just like the best Lamborghini's and Ferrari's
I just got done flying one for a few days and I'm out ....the constant module management and fiddling with settings gets tedious to me, as does the constant need to fine tune and purpose build, finding stations on the fly to switch things up for every single slight change.
It really is a 'flyers ship' for those that enjoy manually fiddling, tweaking and balancing ....nothing wrong with that.
But I'm back to the Python where I simply run that gigantic A class powerplant and then load everything in their with combat gear all at once, including exploration equipment and 128 ton cargo hold ...and can leave everything turned on at the same time
Yes, the FdL really is the 'flyers' ship', an Italian sports car, with all of the drawbacks.
But your reason for going back to the Python shows exactly why it is a Volvo.
Okay fair enough. Real world only.
I'll say Roll Royce Phantom or perhaps Bentley then.
Too big and not nimble enough to be considered a sports car but with power to spare and the ability to outperform anything bar high end sports cars while keeping the ability to do everything else....
The Python is the 2nd most expensive multi-purpose ship in the game and when fully kitted out is $200M+ and well beyond almost any other ship in the game.
Volvo don't occupy anything close to that status in the real world.
No way does Faulcon deLacy have the prestige or feel of Bentley or Rolls. They are North European or Japanese type car manufacturers through and through, especially how ubiquitous they are. Pythons are everywhere.
Generously, the Python could be a Merc or BMW, but the traits of being tough, spacious, reliable scream stereotypical Volvo.
Price is due to partially capacity and size since ships are quite different, so cannot be used in a direct scale comparison, especially thanks to internals which are generic.
Generously, the Python could be a Merc or BMW, but the traits of being tough, spacious, reliable scream stereotypical Volvo.
Price is due to partially capacity and size since ships are quite different, so cannot be used in a direct scale comparison, especially thanks to internals which are generic.
Sorry, Python is a Volvo, not a Bentley.. its very good at being a Volvo.. And also the FDL is tankier tbh.. better shields than the python. In fact the only way the Python to have slightly more shields is by filling all 4 util slot with class A shield boosters. Also the Python only has 60 points more armour (stock) which really means nothing since you should be running once your shields are gone, and thats where the FDL comes into its own, there is only 2-3 ships that are going to be able to keep up, and they are little to no threat to the FDL. Just ask anyone in PVP what they are more afraid of, Python or FDL.. I know what the answer will be.
Dont get me wrong, Python is a great ship, its a great all rounder, just like a Volvo, but its not the Tumbler, Bentley or Rolls Royce, its utilitarian at best, which really is what a Volvo is good for.
Also, just cause something is expensive dosent make it better or more glamorous. A kenworth and trailer can cost a lot more than a rolls royce, but its still a truck. hehehe
Dont get me wrong, Python is a great ship, its a great all rounder, just like a Volvo, but its not the Tumbler, Bentley or Rolls Royce, its utilitarian at best, which really is what a Volvo is good for.
Also, just cause something is expensive dosent make it better or more glamorous. A kenworth and trailer can cost a lot more than a rolls royce, but its still a truck. hehehe
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We obviously have different definitions of 'utilitarian' and where Volvo sits in the real world....
I consider utilitarian to be something low end like a family people mover and work vans.
An A kitted Python is high end in every category but will be outperformed by the specialty ships in those categories.
Not going to go on debating though, so Volvo it is.
I consider utilitarian to be something low end like a family people mover and work vans.
An A kitted Python is high end in every category but will be outperformed by the specialty ships in those categories.
Not going to go on debating though, so Volvo it is.
If you can afford them both, get them both. I have both. The Python is absolutely a charmer for anything you want to do so multitasking you will not find a better ship. The FDL, pure finesse with power and a beauty in combat. Puts a beating on everything and anything and keeps up with the ships, both big and small. I use the Python for PP and for BB missions, but the FDL is the love of the game for me! Here are my setups:
PYTHON: http://coriolis.io/outfit/python/07...8026b.Iw18eQ==.IwBj4yvYg===?bn=Python (Multi)
FDL: http://coriolis.io/outfit/fer_de_la...4a335d5566.AwRj4yrI.EwBhEYy6bZ3MIA==?bn=FDL 1
I see that you have wound your shields back from a previous build you posted - I take it that was to allow for the C2 Burst lasers. Do you feel the combo of burst/pulse works that much better for the extra power it uses?
I always seem to come back to using 4 C2 Pulses - its the Huge weapon slot that I am still experimenting with. Seems like whatever mission I take I end up with the wrong loadout!! I have tried, with some success, a C3 Turret Pulse or sometimes a beam to defend against the smaller ships that seem to duck out of the way of most other Huge/Large weapons.
About the only thing I have not tried out is that awesome C4 Plasma Accelerator
Cheers
I always seem to come back to using 4 C2 Pulses - its the Huge weapon slot that I am still experimenting with. Seems like whatever mission I take I end up with the wrong loadout!! I have tried, with some success, a C3 Turret Pulse or sometimes a beam to defend against the smaller ships that seem to duck out of the way of most other Huge/Large weapons.
About the only thing I have not tried out is that awesome C4 Plasma Accelerator
Cheers