News ANNOUNCING ELITE DANGEROUS: HORIZONS

[rootsrat]

No, Horizons contains the existing game. Brand new players pay 50EUR for the whole shebang, whereas I would have to pay 77EUR for it (40EUR mercenary edition + Horizons).

You didn't read my post properly. I'll repost the relevant part here:

If you don't have ED you pay for the new content and the base game, which you are unable to access - and that's where the difference is. If a person wants to play ED and also get Horizons, they have to buy the base game AND Horizons, just like you did.

That probably should have read "If a person wants to play ED now and also get Horizons, they have to buy the base game AND Horizons, just like you did." for maximum clarity though.

 

[SabZero]

You didn't read my post properly. I'll repost the relevant part here:



That probably should have read "If a person wants to play ED now and also get Horizons, they have to buy the base game AND Horizons, just like you did." for maximum clarity though.

I see what you mean. Although new players can only access The game when Horizons is released, unless they buy the beta acess or whatever.

 

[CMDR CPT. Boris]

You didn't read my post properly. I'll repost the relevant part here:



That probably should have read "If a person wants to play ED now and also get Horizons, they have to buy the base game AND Horizons, just like you did." for maximum clarity though.

yes, the economic model of elite will be divided in "season" which we can guessing there will be a new season every year (december probably). When a season is over the price of the ending season will drop down and the new season will include all the previous features of previous seasons (in horizon core game will be charged 10cr for new incommers + price of horizon)

you already have elite, 30cr for horizon
you don't have elite, 30cr for horizon + 10cr (core game)

If you pre-order horizon now, you will have to wait until "holidays" to play the game (unless you already have the game of course)

 

[Frop]

I also wouldn't say the core game is bigger... We don't know that. Planetary landings add A LOT of new content, and we don't know what's in store throughout the year.

You never replied to my previous comment, so I don't have really high hopes this time around, but here goes: why would you suggest that planetary landings add a "A LOT" of content when you state we don't know anything in the sentence right before and after that?

 

[rootsrat]

You never replied to my previous comment, so I don't have really high hopes this time around, but here goes: why would you suggest that planetary landings add a "A LOT" of content when you state we don't know anything in the sentence right before and after that?

Sorry, must have missed your question. Because the whole year of expansions translates to a lot of content to me and I know Frontier wants to expand and improve the game.

 

[CMDR Crustatious Cornelius Pig]

I see what you mean. Although new players can only access The game when Horizons is released, unless they buy the beta acess or whatever.

or if you buy lifetime then you get it all right?

 

[rootsrat]

or if you buy lifetime then you get it all right?

Yes, as per this: http://i.imgur.com/BI0Wzno.jpg

 

[Frop]

Sorry, must have missed your question. Because the whole year of expansions translates to a lot of content to me and I know Frontier wants to expand and improve the game.

Without a full description of the seasonal content I'm not going out on a limb yet, but it's theoretically still possible that for instance loot, crafting, ships and the thing a dev got "more excited about than planetary landings" are the biggest chunk of the season with the planetary landings playing second fiddle.

 

[BlankFX]

Yes, as per this: http://i.imgur.com/BI0Wzno.jpg

So Players who already paid for the basic game have to pay another 37,49€ to get the Horizons-Content while complete newcommers only have to pay 49,00€ to get it all.
Seems very fair to me.

Thank you, this image makes FD even more look like the greedy company it is.
This game is now dead for me thanks to your greed and customer bullying.

I was fine with probably paying extra for proper expansions of the game, but this price is simply absurd. Even half the price will most probably not make it worth.

 

[Frop]

Thank you, this image makes FD even more look like the greedy company it is.
This game is now dead for me thanks to your greed and customer bullying.

I'm definitely not the biggest proponent of their current marketing scheme, but that's some entitled poppycock right there.

 

[CMDR M Kozak]

Actually its pretty cheap.

Take a look at any subscription game and you will find it quickly adds up to FAR more than the prize of season two.

PLUS - and thats the really big bonus addition - you can even continue to play EVEN if you dont by the next season.

Finally, everybody and the neighbors dog knew that there would be payed expansions in some form of another. Telling yourself that it would be cheap is your own fault.

 

[Crab]

Ouch, I bought beta for 75€ and now I must pay 40€ again?

Why you try make your fans angry? 40€ for full game is ok, but 40€ for "smaller" expansion feels like you test how "hardcore" are your fans.

I am really confused now. btw. Lifetime expansion pass is absolutly overpriced too for me (100€ will be ok for me, but not 175€. I will never pay for any game more then 100€!!!)

Nevermind. Count me between lost players for your greed, because this is not correct from you. I am your fan, not "cow which give to you unlimited milks when you are thirsty"!!!

 

[Frop]

I am your fans, not "cow which give to you unlimited milks when you are thirsty"!!!

That does sound something like your avatar would say (minus the accent).

 

[EUS]

On the one, I'm still having fun playing this game, and have bought skins for my favorite ships, and I'm relieved that seasons are not forced purchases. That's one huge thing FD has done right.
On the other, we have horizons pre-pay where we don't know the length of a season, what content might appear in it, or any info regarding planetary landings except for 28secs of CGI, and that it will cross over at least 2 undefined seasons.

Given the track record of past CGIs, and the CG (participated in one), wings (wing'd once), and PP (not interested) releases, I won't be pre-paying for anything.
For every release the forums explode in hopidium, only to end in salty -fests, it's a strange dichotomy.
Even in this thread there are people saying "rotten deal", but are paying for it anyway, which leaves me confused.

Maybe this release will be different, but my hoperdose levels are finite.
Anyway, hopefully (there's that word again), you'll get your money's worth, and have fun commanders, after all, ultimately that's what we're all here for (I'm guessing).

 

[rootsrat]

Without a full description of the seasonal content I'm not going out on a limb yet, but it's theoretically still possible that for instance loot, crafting, ships and the thing a dev got "more excited about than planetary landings" are the biggest chunk of the season with the planetary landings playing second fiddle.

Well, the content patches we've received so far (1.1 - 1.3) always had more stuff in than just the headline feature, we'll see what CQC will bring and then there's also 1.5 on the way... I'm pretty sure we'll get more than "just" planetary landings and all that's connected to it (which in my book is already a lot of content).

So Players who already paid for the basic game have to pay another 37,49€ to get the Horizons-Content while complete newcommers only have to pay 49,00€ to get it all.
Seems very fair to me.

Thank you, this image makes FD even more look like the greedy company it is.
This game is now dead for me thanks to your greed and customer bullying.

I was fine with probably paying extra for proper expansions of the game, but this price is simply absurd. Even half the price will most probably not make it worth.

You are entitled to have an opinion and I happen to disagree with it, but delivering it in such an unpleasant way rules out any discussion with you for me personally.

 

[Javert]

But it's obvious you need the core game to play horizon... Or you will be stuck on only one planet

Actually that would be pretty funny if they sold all the people complaining about price a copy of Horizons without the original game, but they were stuck on on ice rock in the Slough system.

 

[BlankFX]

Actually its pretty cheap.

Take a look at any subscription game and you will find it quickly adds up to FAR more than the prize of season two.

I never looked at any "subscription game" as they never have been worth their money either (IMHO).

PLUS - and thats the really big bonus addition - you can even continue to play EVEN if you dont by the next season.

I'd rather not be that sure if that is realisticially going to happen. This will only work out on paper.
If being able to land on planets will give you even the smallest advantage over other players not being able to do that, this game will clearly have become a p2w-game.
E.g. being able to get high value cargo on a planet for selling it while basic-mode-players are not able to accomplish this. FD proved multiple times in the past they're not very good at balancing stuff very well or that they at least
take month to do so.

Finally, everybody and the neighbors dog knew that there would be payed expansions in some form of another. Telling yourself that it would be cheap is your own fault.

I didn't told myself it would be cheap and it would be worth the money if the actual delivered content would be worth it. Sadly I really have my doubts this expansion can be worth around the same as the whole game was on release.
Thinking so would require the expansion to roughly double the content of the game.

Ouch, I bought beta for 75€ and now I must pay 40€ again?
Why you try make your fans angry? 40€ for full game is ok, but 40€ for "smaller" expansion feels like you test how "hardcore" are your fans.
I am really confused now. btw. Lifetime expansion pass is absolutly overpriced too for me (100€ will be ok for me, but not 175€. I will never pay for any game more then 100€!!!)
Nevermind. Count me between lost players for your greed, because this is not correct from you. I am your fan, not "cow which give to you unlimited milks when you are thirsty"!!!

*thumbs up*

You are entitled to have an opinion and I happen to disagree with it, but delivering it in such an unpleasant way rules out any discussion with you for me personally.

It's hard to say: "I somewhat feel you guys kindly scammed me, cheated on my trust I put into you and seem to give zero consideration* for your fanbase and community." in a friendly way. Can anyone relate?
^ I hope nobody feels offended by this line, if so, please PM me and I will probably rewrite it, once I calmed down. //edit: * marked word was edited by a mod, "consideration" seems to be a "fitting" word though for what I wrote there before.

 

[rootsrat]

It's hard to say: "I somewhat feel you guys kindly scammed me, cheated on my trust I put into you and seem to give zero consideration for your fanbase and community." in a friendly way. Can anyone relate?
^ I hope nobody feels offended by this line, if so, please PM me and I will probably rewrite it, once I calmed down.

(I just did)

Well, maybe instead of posting when the emotions were taking over you should have waited and posted when you calmed down to discuss the matter in a civilised way...? Otherwise how can you expect to have a discussion about it when you tone your posts like that? But anyway, it's not the place to discuss netiquette, so let's stay on topic and if you want to carry on this particular subject feel free to PM me.

 

[Patrick_68000]

David Braben 100% confirmed on Twitch stream from Gamescom that the Cobra MkIV will be available in game to purchase for credits, so you WON'T get it from the start. In other words - you get the ability to purchase the ship in a shipyard.

I wonder if later for walking around the ship (and the opportunity to steal a ship), if the Mk IV could be stolen ?

 

[Malakie]

I sit here and read about those of you complaining that a LIFETIME cost of 175 is too much?? Are you freaking serious? What kind of entitlement mentality do you people have?

You pay the 175 and that means for the REST OF YOUR LIFE or the life of the game, you never have to buy anything else. And you expect the devs to give you all the expected content over all those years for free to boot?

I think 175 is cheap for a lifetime of DLC's and major upgrades because I don't see how they can make enough money to continue development at a certain point because there is no constant money stream being generated when everyone buys a lifetime package..

So many of you don't know what it takes to design, produce, code and maintain (code AND hardware) a game system online and you expect them to just give you what you want for next to nothing.

Hope they do make enough money to continue to develop the game. Finally, stop complaining about the cost because right now you have the option to once again buy a lifetime package.. and if you don't go for it, you are a fool and have no reason what so ever to complain about future release prices.