Unknown Artefact (or artifact) Community Thread - The Canonn

[clavain]

So, re-reading Galnet slowly and seeing a bit of a recurring clone theme also. In addition to the Walden piece, we have this:

Emperor Hengist Duval was the 15th in the Imperial Duval bloodline to lead the Empire and he saw a great deal of change in his comparatively short reign. He was born in 3163, only a few days before the death of his grandfather Hender Saik Duval. Some claim that the spirit of Hender had already passed to Hengist such were the similarities in looks and manner noted in Hengist’s later years.

Emperor was replaced by a clone? Someone (Imperial Intelligence, or Patreus? Or Duval or other anti-Lavigny-Duval faction pinning it on Patreus?) finds out and decides to have him bumped off? Not necessarily UA related, but just thought I would point it out.

Edit: Emperor's coma would be another opportunity for him to be replaced by a healthier clone to continue to rule, or at least stay alive long enough to marry.

 

[EAGLE 5]

I'm also trying to look back at the series of events that happened and I see an interesting timeline starting from April 17.

1. People around Lave complaining/warning about an influx of alien artefacts from different sources.
2. Dr. Canonn's story first debuts.
3. Lots of efforts from the Alliance to reclaim the old worlds area and secure it from threats (mainly pirates)
4. Halsey plans and starts her journey
5. Halsey never finishes her journey.
6. More Canonn related articles some for the efforts one or two against it including someone wanting to discredit the work and Dr. Canonn.
7. Soontil relics and other alien artifact story.
8. Lots of conspiracy theories regarding Antares, Halsey, hints of Sirius corporation involvement.
9. Lots of stories about Sirius expanding, setting up treaties and embassies with other powers etc.
0. Lave back on the spotlight with conspiracies about Walden, secret labs, a potential missing moon etc.

What is shockingly absent (unless I missed it in that case correct me please) is the story of the explorer venturing out to deep space and coming back acting really strange and the wife suspecting he was replaced with a Thargoid who also ate his pet hamster I believe because he wanted... meat. This might be a stretch but wasn't that guy from the old worlds. SpaceTexan would know but he's kept very quiet recently.

Still the place to hide stuff is in plain view. Lave (old worlds areas) being historic and iconic has a ton of traffic and a perfect place to hide things or answers. It would be worth spending some time there poking around for something to help.

 

[Han_Zen]

So, re-reading Galnet slowly and seeing a bit of a recurring clone theme also. In addition to the Walden piece, we have this:



Emperor was replaced by a clone? Someone (Imperial Intelligence, or Patreus? Or Duval or other anti-Lavigny-Duval faction pinning it on Patreus?) finds out and decides to have him bumped off? Not necessarily UA related, but just thought I would point it out.

That killer. I think his real name is Paul Lavigny ;-)

 

[clavain]

Just out of curiosity, has anyone done a tally of all the plague-infected systems, to see how many were Fed, how many Imp, and how many independent? Would I be correct in stating that no Alliance systems were infected? Perhaps the Alliance has adopted Walden's virus for their own purposes after his downfall, to weaken their two main rivals?

Again not necessarily UA related but possibly of interest in eliminating some theories.

Edit: Or, with tinfoil hat firmly in place at a jaunty angle, Walden clone somehow takes place of Emperor, and uses same plague plan from Lave Revolution in effort to weaken Federation (assuming most if not all of the infected systems are Feds). Then gets bumped off when Imperial inner circles figure out what is going on.

 

[Julio Montega]

On the "immortality" symbolism:
The "8" when tilted by 90° symbolizes "infinity",
a cycle that endlessly repeats, as does the egyptian motif of the "Ankh",
it also symbolizes "eternal life" and the "loop of life", looks similar to the UA i guess...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankh


Edit:
I think the technical part of solving this riddle is totally overdone,
myths and legends are not a thing of science, but of belief.
Either you believe in them, or you don't.
Time to believe in the symbol, not starting again to check the sounds.
Just my two cents of worthless opinion

 

[spameroo]

I've been lurking on this thread for at least a month now, but haven't thought of anything that seemed worth contributing... I just watched (and listened to) the video on the wiki for the first time, though, and had a thought that hadn't really occurred to me.

From what I understand of the procedural generation engine the game uses, assets like planet textures are generated client-side on the fly for each system when you enter it. Based on the network logs, it seems like the server sends the client some seed data each time you enter a new instance and the rest is done locally. I'm not entirely sure how the system names themselves work, because it doesn't seem like the galaxy map is dependent upon constant server queries, and 400 billion ~20-character strings are probably not stored locally, so the client is probably procedurally generating the strings when it needs to display them.

Anyway, my point is this: when and where, exactly, is the UA's audio file (which is going to be unique for almost every new instance) created? Is this something that's been figured out in older threads? It seems like a pretty non-trivial thing to program, however it's done. Are there any other examples of this in the game already? I think you guys said that nav beacons transmit system names in morse, but even if the morse is being generated in the same way, there's a lot more effects processing going on to create the full UA sound. Has anyone compared their verbose netlogs when traveling with/without a UA to look for differences, probably in the "Duration" values of something?

I'm not sure there's much practical use for knowing the answer to this, other than maybe providing some rough upper limit on how much unique encoded data the audio actually can contain... And also I'm just curious because it seems like someone put a lot of effort into it and I want to know how it works

 

[Han_Zen]

On the "immortality" symbolism:
The "8" when tilted by 90° symbolizes "infinity",
a cycle that endlessly repeats, as does the egyptian motif of the "Ankh",
it also symbolizes "eternal life" and the "loop of life", looks similar to the UA i guess...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankh
View attachment 55487

Edit:
I think the technical part of solving this riddle is totally overdone,
myths and legends are not a thing of science, but of belief.
Either you believe in them, or you don't.
Time to believe in the symbol, not starting again to check the sounds.
Just my two cents of worthless opinion

You got the right girl for the first hour at least with Amentet: http://m.touregypt.net/featurestories/amentet.htm

Haven't checked the in game name yet.

 

[NovaXeros]

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but someone mentioned a while back that the shape of these things is significant? Well, these things look like bacteriophages, right? A structure used to inject DNA/RNA into a host cell, right?

Has anyone checked the surface structures of the stations in the systems affected by cerberus plague? I'm currently checking Leonard Nimoy station for any signs of infestation on the surface..

I feel this is pretty logical. Afterall, it's not overly complicated, links nicely to the artefacts broadcasting the nearest body (which, when latched, would be the station they are currently affecting) and the game mechanics are already in with the prospector drones being able to attach to asteroids, so models attaching to a surface wouldn't be impossible..

Thoughts?

 

[Popov Le Magnifique]

Damn, I was 0.13Ly away from Leoniceno Orbital, I decide to come out of Supercruise before logging off, and a green dot appears. I was about to **** my pants when I saw it was just a Fed Viper. :|

 

[Julio Montega]

You got the right girl for the first hour at least with Amentet: http://m.touregypt.net/featurestories/amentet.htm

Haven't checked the in game name yet.

Yeah this riddle seems to be rather symbolical,
i guess the UA is shaped after the "Ankh" symbol,
a key to the "NILE", a river bringing life and transporting the dead to their tombs via ship.
Transcension on the ankh is seen, as the top is a sun-symbol and the bottom is a symbol for death (SETH).
I leave the rest of the symbolism for you to find

Also in german mythology the "Sun" is female and constantly hunted by the male "Moon",
rarely they meet up, but these occasions are named "Eclipse" jsut like the ship, the time travellers used in one of the novels.
Coincidence?

On what "Kerrash" is rumored to have said:
"Succeed or not, it will open" can be a reference to an excerpt in one of the novels,
featuring multi-dimensional travels.
"It doesn't matter what YOU do, one version in a parallel universe just might do the thing you fail at."

 

[LordZoltan]

If one wanted to draw a straight line using "hidden world" Galnet references, the answer would seem to be Lave, and point to the Walden connection. But where are any earlier hints for that? I don't remember any.

Edit: Going to have to go look at Lave Revolution again.

Edit 2: Is Lave's moon missing by any chance?

I'm also trying to look back at the series of events that happened and I see an interesting timeline starting from April 17.

1. People around Lave complaining/warning about an influx of alien artefacts from different sources.
2. Dr. Canonn's story first debuts.
3. Lots of efforts from the Alliance to reclaim the old worlds area and secure it from threats (mainly pirates)
4. Halsey plans and starts her journey
5. Halsey never finishes her journey.
6. More Canonn related articles some for the efforts one or two against it including someone wanting to discredit the work and Dr. Canonn.
7. Soontil relics and other alien artifact story.
8. Lots of conspiracy theories regarding Antares, Halsey, hints of Sirius corporation involvement.
9. Lots of stories about Sirius expanding, setting up treaties and embassies with other powers etc.
0. Lave back on the spotlight with conspiracies about Walden, secret labs, a potential missing moon etc.

What is shockingly absent (unless I missed it in that case correct me please) is the story of the explorer venturing out to deep space and coming back acting really strange and the wife suspecting he was replaced with a Thargoid who also ate his pet hamster I believe because he wanted... meat. This might be a stretch but wasn't that guy from the old worlds. SpaceTexan would know but he's kept very quiet recently.

Still the place to hide stuff is in plain view. Lave (old worlds areas) being historic and iconic has a ton of traffic and a perfect place to hide things or answers. It would be worth spending some time there poking around for something to help.

Interesting stuff guys - some logical leads there

 

[OBERHIEM]

Funny thing. Bast is an Egyptian god.

The cat god: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastet

Seems FD was trying to stear us. Different time and all that.

Just to get my thoughts off the scraps of paper and onto the page rather than dismissed
and in the bin in the morning.

1. I like the cat thing,connection with bast this goes with the way i've been thinking....the UA purrs like a cat.

2. A cat purrs when its content....we have been looking to generate less purrs to clarify whats underneath the sound, what if we need to complete the purrs, a totally content UA...putting stuff near it,big ships maybe,SAPs have had an effect on amount of purrs but maybe we're just scaring the out of it,(i think i'll wail a bit more)
Maybe the UA needs approaching in the smallest ship possible

3. Its sick..again purr, purr,..ow, ow i'm a bit sick (please drop some basic medicines next to me or take me to a medical research center)


And @Derthek I tried sapiety just cos its like sap eighty, there are 7 main named planets and an asteroid belt, i went there hoping to find sapiety8 but didn't, and went to look for voyager instead, but there could be something there.

If any UA carrier has the time to drop some medical stuff near a UA just to rule it out, i'd much appreciate it, you know how these things keep you awake.

 

[clavain]

Interesting stuff guys - some logical leads there

Makes me wonder also whether anyone has taken any Soontill Relics to Lave as well. I know I didn't when I was running around with them - hit Sol and Achenar but never went to any Alliance worlds with them (except maybe Leesti, not sure).

 

[clavain]

Cerberus plague description from Galnet: "Early signs of infection include vomiting blood, excessive sweating, sores and waves of intense dizziness."

Sohalian plague (Walden's, originally developed by the Imps) description: "Symptoms range from the starting signs of a mild head cold with tension headache and run rapidly through pyrexia [fever, i.e. sweating and dizziness] together with gastro-intestinal pain, hameorrhagic diarrhea, haematemesis [the vomiting of blood] and death within twelve hours of onset." (from Lave Revolution)

I think we know the origin of the plague now. Someone got their hands on Walden's toys and ideas (perhaps even another Walden clone), and distributed it the same way (via poisoning a food commodity like grain).

Edit: And there was even a CG to expand production of Diso Ma Corn. Walden's original poisoned grain was in the annual Diso grain convoys.

 

[Julio Montega]

Cerberus plague description from Galnet: "Early signs of infection include vomiting blood, excessive sweating, sores and waves of intense dizziness."

Sohalian plague (Walden's, originally developed by the Imps) description: "Symptoms range from the starting signs of a mild head cold with tension headache and run rapidly through pyrexia [fever, i.e. sweating and dizziness] together with gastro-intestinal pain, hameorrhagic diarrhea, haematemesis [the vomiting of blood] and death within twelve hours of onset." (from Lave Revolution)

I think we know the origin of the plague now. Someone got their hands on Walden's toys and ideas (perhaps even another Walden clone), and distributed it the same way (via poisoning a food commodity like grain).

And here is the symbol of the "12" again, as written in the diary of the doctor.

 

[Han_Zen]

Yeah this riddle seems to be rather symbolical,
i guess the UA is shaped after the "Ankh" symbol,
a key to the "NILE", a river bringing life and transporting the dead to their tombs via ship.
Transcension on the ankh is seen, as the top is a sun-symbol and the bottom is a symbol for death (SETH).
I leave the rest of the symbolism for you to find

Also in german mythology the "Sun" is female and constantly hunted by the male "Moon",
rarely they meet up, but these occasions are named "Eclipse" jsut like the ship, the time travellers used in one of the novels.
Coincidence?

On what "Kerrash" is rumored to have said:
"Succeed or not, it will open" can be a reference to an excerpt in one of the novels,
featuring multi-dimensional travels.
"It doesn't matter what YOU do, one version in a parallel universe just might do the thing you fail at."

Well - I found the first system on the 'Tour of Gates': Imentet

Imentet is alternative spelling for Amentet.
System is controlled by Lee Young-Rui.

If something happens in Imentet, I have second system: Geb

Thats all I have so far.

Come on Imentet, turn the lights of on one pod please

Edit: Remember, the gate is also the key (or was it the other way around?)

 

[knowles2]

We were unsure about it so far. Now we know for sure that the Galnet contain hints! That's a lot of help.

Until you relies there at least 5 stories that the UA could be link to, with only really the Cerberus one that can be ruled out for certain. The rest are much more nebulous and hard to rule out or in as a hint.

 

[clavain]

I'm also trying to look back at the series of events that happened and I see an interesting timeline starting from April 17.

1. People around Lave complaining/warning about an influx of alien artefacts from different sources.
2. Dr. Canonn's story first debuts.
3. Lots of efforts from the Alliance to reclaim the old worlds area and secure it from threats (mainly pirates)
4. Halsey plans and starts her journey
5. Halsey never finishes her journey.
6. More Canonn related articles some for the efforts one or two against it including someone wanting to discredit the work and Dr. Canonn.
7. Soontil relics and other alien artifact story.
8. Lots of conspiracy theories regarding Antares, Halsey, hints of Sirius corporation involvement.
9. Lots of stories about Sirius expanding, setting up treaties and embassies with other powers etc.
0. Lave back on the spotlight with conspiracies about Walden, secret labs, a potential missing moon etc.

What is shockingly absent (unless I missed it in that case correct me please) is the story of the explorer venturing out to deep space and coming back acting really strange and the wife suspecting he was replaced with a Thargoid who also ate his pet hamster I believe because he wanted... meat. This might be a stretch but wasn't that guy from the old worlds. SpaceTexan would know but he's kept very quiet recently.

Still the place to hide stuff is in plain view. Lave (old worlds areas) being historic and iconic has a ton of traffic and a perfect place to hide things or answers. It would be worth spending some time there poking around for something to help.

Out of rep, yup it seems we may have been missing the Lave/Old Worlds connections. Which in some ways were screamingly obvious because there were so few of them compared to Imperial and Federation. I'm only back to June in Galnet, will keep an eye out for the Mr. Thargoid stories and let you know if they are still there. I'll check the unofficial archive site also.

 

[clavain]

What is shockingly absent (unless I missed it in that case correct me please) is the story of the explorer venturing out to deep space and coming back acting really strange and the wife suspecting he was replaced with a Thargoid who also ate his pet hamster I believe because he wanted... meat. This might be a stretch but wasn't that guy from the old worlds. SpaceTexan would know but he's kept very quiet recently.

I'm thinking those were local news stories, which are not archived on (or even appear on) the official site. The unofficial site might pick them up, not sure. I remember TheSpaceTexan posting them as appearing only in the system news now that I think about it.

 

[knowles2]

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but someone mentioned a while back that the shape of these things is significant? Well, these things look like bacteriophages, right? A structure used to inject DNA/RNA into a host cell, right?

Has anyone checked the surface structures of the stations in the systems affected by cerberus plague? I'm currently checking Leonard Nimoy station for any signs of infestation on the surface..

I feel this is pretty logical. Afterall, it's not overly complicated, links nicely to the artefacts broadcasting the nearest body (which, when latched, would be the station they are currently affecting) and the game mechanics are already in with the prospector drones being able to attach to asteroids, so models attaching to a surface wouldn't be impossible..

Thoughts?

Cerberus connection is by far the most solid link we have to Galnet articles and clues that are apparently in them.