UA Mystery Thread 3: The Canonn

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LordZoltan

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UA Pow Wow informal poll

@bitstorm and @timsk and

mrtree said:
Willing to do that if I can (timing). Where & how soon?
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...and anyone else who responded to my 'can we have a UA pow wow?'

So, given the potential difficulty in getting everyone together, thanks to the improvement in international relations that is the UA, seems we need to agree 3 things:

1) how many UAs to gather
2) where to gather them
3) when to do it.

3 is dependant upon when we can answer 1 & 2 to our satisfaction. We already have experience of two next to each other (Ratking15 was involved in that I recall) so, we need more than 2. I can't see any value in going greater than 7 - but I'm pulling the no. 7 from the 7-stripe markings on the 'head' and the link to the 7 sisters - which might be as valid as pulling it from my hairy posterior... Being conservative, I'd say 4 as a minimum.

For location, I don't think it's important - but how about Soontill for a bit of poetic license? Really, though, anywhere that is reasonably close to where our UA carriers are, and anyone that wants to observe...

I have no expectation of what behaviour we are to expect from them when we get them together - only that something 'different' will happen, ie either visually, or to the sound ('have you listened to them?')

So we need everyone's answers to these questions - I suggest an informal poll, with the result going to the wisdom of the crowd. So I'm not limiting the choice of answers.

PM your answers for 1 & 2 to me with the subject 'UA Pow Wow' and I'll collate the answers. On Sunday morning, UK time, I'll post here with the results. Then we can work out a date & time - probably a similar time to a biscuit barrel, but the day would have to be reasonably soon after this, to minimise the chances of losing UAs in between.

Everyone happy with that?
 

EAGLE 5

EAGLE 5
Alright call me butter because I'm on a roll tonight.

A lot of discussion has gone into understanding the UA itself and a potential use for it, but I'd like to focus more on the acquisition issue.

The problem of acquisition, I thought, for the most part was buried until recently a sizeable contingency of commanders have started finding the UA out in the open. Specifically a significant number of UAs have been recovered in the HR 1185 system which is located in the Pleiades region. This latest development has put us back on the drawing board because honestly it shifted what we thought was proven availability away from the military convoys, to open space, potentially hinting at a natural source somewhere in or near HR 1185. This helps explain where the convoys may have been finding them, however, in itself answers no additional questions. Let's talk about the system where most confirmed UA sightings have occurred. HR 1185 is an interesting system indeed. It's nearby the Pleiades which is an area firmly planted in established Thargoid lore from the FFE era. Unlike the human bubble, this particular region of space features new stars, black holes, and a nebula. 1 and 3 particularly indicate that the area may be somewhat of a stellar nursery. This in itself, I believe is significant. If this is indeed a nursery then it is important to point out that, unlike other source systems, there are fundamental differences. For starters there is a lot of free floating matter and gas from the nebula. This in itself feeds new stars being formed and who knows maybe the nebula acts as a nourishing source for the UA. This could potentially explain why we see it thrive and not spontaneously explode like it does elsewhere. Also the presence of black holes is higher then other areas of space potentially indicating again that extreme gravity, X-Ray emissions and even Hawking Radiation may be an important part of the UA's life cycle. Last but not least the high incidence of young hot stars of the O-A spectral class makes a case for this area to be naturally "hotter" than other areas of the galaxy. Heat could potentially serve as a stabilizing and incubating mechanism for the UA. Interestingly enough, we have been given a hint with the 1.2 trailer of the California nebula. The "original" convoy shown in the trailer was coming from the California region which also features a nebula so perhaps we may have to consider this when blasting off for a long range exploratory trip in search of wild UAs.

The second part that I'm still a little perplexed about is the incidence of UA discovery. Some players get lucky and nab one with minimal effort, others spend entire days scouring for one and can never find it. With HR 1185 being more or less confirmed as a source for wild UAs we have an opportunity to coordinate a series of studies which involves individual efforts, wing coordinated efforts and others to see really what variables we can tweak that might turn the cards in our favor with regards to increasing the instance of UAs spawning.
 

Macros Black

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EAGLE 5 said:
The second part that I'm still a little perplexed about is the incidence of UA discovery. Some players get lucky and nab one with minimal effort, others spend entire days scouring for one and can never find it. With HR 1185 being more or less confirmed as a source for wild UAs we have an opportunity to coordinate a series of studies which involves individual efforts, wing coordinated efforts and others to see really what variables we can tweak that might turn the cards in our favor with regards to increasing the instance of UAs spawning.
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Time and place, man, time and place. Oh, and RNG.
(And no, haven't come across one yet, the amount of pirates in this godforsaken place is unbelievable, and it seems that everybody is trying to use the black hole as a dumping ground for all their garbage)
 

Sole Hunter

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let me give you guys a hint : you are over-thinking it the answer lays in the amount of UA in the same place, there are a reason why you can find multiple of them in different place.
 
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Cmder Zif

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I think 3 little questions to FD could go a long way to putting us back on track: (if we are even off it)
1. Is the number 12 significant to the cracking of the mystery?
2. Is a specific place (not general like "Black Hole, but like "Saggitarrius A" ) required?
3. is there more to the sound then the morse code?
 

EAGLE 5

EAGLE 5
MacrosTheBlack said:
Time and place, man, time and place. Oh, and RNG.
(And no, haven't come across one yet, the amount of pirates in this godforsaken place is unbelievable, and it seems that everybody is trying to use the black hole as a dumping ground for all their garbage)
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You are partially correct in your statement. I do believe that once you find the right location there are additional player centered considerations that need to happen in order to trigger a UA event. I don't think at all that finding a UA is a random event in fact I believe there is a logic behind it. I have a theory but unfortunately for me most videos of recovered UAs only feature it and not the event leading to the discovery of the appropriate signal source so I can't test anything other than by personally turning over every signal source and hope I record the right variables. Fortunately it seems HR1185 is now a constant so I can focus on there.

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Sole Hunter said:
let me give you guys a hint : you are over-thinking it the answer lays in the amount of UA in the same place, there are a reason why you can find multiple of them in different place.
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I'm curious, do you have the answer?
 

LordZoltan

LordZoltan
EAGLE 5 said:
Alright call me butter because I'm on a roll tonight.
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Any post beginning with that phrase literally oozes win. +1 all round.

Also - when looking at the map last night, I can't be the first person to notice that the California Nebula lies almost on the straight line drawn through Sol and the Pleidaen nebula.

As a location it was rejected as not important, before HR1185 was found to have these UA 'floaters' - so absolutely this should possibly be revisited.

Is it too far out to have SSS of its own though? Unless we entertain the idea that FD have massaged that area somewhat and made at least one system a special case....
 

Cmder Zif

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EAGLE 5 said:
You are partially correct in your statement. I do believe that once you find the right location there are additional player centered considerations that need to happen in order to trigger a UA event. I don't think at all that finding a UA is a random event in fact I believe there is a logic behind it. I have a theory but unfortunately for me most videos of recovered UAs only feature it and not the event leading to the discovery of the appropriate signal source so I can't test anything other than by personally turning over every signal source and hope I record the right variables. Fortunately it seems HR1185 is now a constant so I can focus on there.

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I'm curious, do you have the answer?
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I can personally say being in the instance of 3 UA captures that it is definitely RNG . First one (Sabreman - BAST) no one in the instance but himeself, Second one (Zif - HR 1185) all alone as well when it happened, third one (Wookie - HR 1185) instance was full of cmdrs
 

Macros Black

Macros Black
LordZoltan said:
Any post beginning with that phrase literally oozes win. +1 all round.

Also - when looking at the map last night, I can't be the first person to notice that the California Nebula lies almost on the straight line drawn through Sol and the Pleidaen nebula.

As a location it was rejected as not important, before HR1185 was found to have these UA 'floaters' - so absolutely this should possibly be revisited.

Is it too far out to have SSS of its own though? Unless we entertain the idea that FD have massaged that area somewhat and made at least one system a special case....
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Go,go,go,go!, erm, fly,fly,fly...

Edit:I'll just stay right here beside HR 1185 B, I now call her precious, and what's it anyway to you?
 
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Sole Hunter

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Murp said:
Yes, because you of all people know this.
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<snip> I won't ruin it for everybody else. There was a cmdr back a couple of months ago who said the same thing so I got impatient and just decided to do the same thing.
 
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Hoboner

Hoboner
EAGLE 5 said:
You are partially correct in your statement. I do believe that once you find the right location there are additional player centered considerations that need to happen in order to trigger a UA event. I don't think at all that finding a UA is a random event in fact I believe there is a logic behind it. I have a theory but unfortunately for me most videos of recovered UAs only feature it and not the event leading to the discovery of the appropriate signal source so I can't test anything other than by personally turning over every signal source and hope I record the right variables. Fortunately it seems HR1185 is now a constant so I can focus on there.
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I'd say I agree on this. I've been searching for this thing since the first was discovered, and have yet to see any SSS spawn that was for the UA. No convoy, no UA itself, yet there's others who seem to be able to snatch these up with ease. I know, RNG...BUT you would think that after searching easily 100+ hours there should be at least one UA spawn in there.

Earlier today I was thinking about this and was trying to think of what could dictate UA spawns:
-Ship outfitting (doubtful, but maybe a specific sensor class has the power to pick up on the UA's signal?)
-Combat/trade/exploration rank (seems the most plausible to me)
-Faction rank
-Current system permits (goes back to faction rank)

At this point I feel like no matter how much I search, I'm missing something that in turn is either stopping the UA spawn all together for me, or greatly reducing it.

For the hell of it, here's my current "stats" for anyone with a UA to compare to:
-Combat rank: Expert
-Trade rank: Peddler
-Exploration rank: Surveyor

Federation standing/rank - Friendly/Chief Petty Officer
Empire standing/rank - Neutral/no rank
Alliance standing/rank - Friendly/no rank

and as far as what I would think could be important with ship modules: DBE
Sensors - A3
Advanced disco scanner - C1

I'd think ship modules would be the LEAST likely, honestly, but the idea of ranking being important is what jumps out at me the most.

In all reality though, I'm literally just stabbing in the dark at this point haha.
 
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Murp

Murp
Sole Hunter said:
You can find the answer in the game code but it's not allowed here so obviously I won't ruin it for everybody else. There was a cmdr back a couple of months ago who said the same thing so I got impatient and just decided to do the same thing.
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And yet you just said it here.

gj contradicting yourself.
 

CMDR Runcible Shaw

CMDR Runcible Shaw
Cmder Zif said:
I can personally say being in the instance of 3 UA captures that it is definitely RNG . First one (Sabreman - BAST) no one in the instance but himeself, Second one (Zif - HR 1185) all alone as well when it happened, third one (Wookie - HR 1185) instance was full of cmdrs
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Sorry, but what is "RNG"? Really Nice Guns? Radical Newtonian Geometry?
Edit: , it's random number generator(ed) isn't it?
 
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bakwards

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Hellcat said:
Has anybody looked at the black panel between the pilot's legs when near or targeting a UA? That would be "right in front of our noses"...
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I would love to get an answer to that as well, seems like a simple test.

Most recordings and tests tend to focus on the UA itself, which seems like it doesn't yield any substantial progression - even using the debug camera is probably somewhat a stretch, I suspect Frontier didn't mean for us to leave our ships to look at this thing.
 
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