General / Off-Topic Syria
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The Syria is an interminable drama. Like many conflicts in the world. the human nature is a tragedy
Perhaps.
Though I increasingly feel we, as Europeans, should simply stay out of it and let them sort themselves out. Our record of interference has been an unmitigated disaster.
And no illusions. In these hundred thousand of refugees who arrive in Italy, in Greece, Al Qaeda and Daesh placed of dozens "soldiers" who will cause attacks in Europe
It has been done successfully, see Germany and Japan for prime examples. Very different motivations, circumstances, challenges and methods, of course.
We all watched, but we all forgot "The Prime Directive."
I know this is going to sound grandiose and as if I'm self important type, but far from it.
I've been thinking quite a lot about how to "fix" the problem of why people war/fight/conflict, I've tried every angle, looking at it from every point of view, the just, the logical, the madman, etc.
I tried so hard to be open to anything, to every solution that satisfies the "point" of why they do as they do, here's what I've concluded when someone made a post in response to my plea for understanding, (some people just want to see the world burn).
That response gave me a short circuit in the brain, I pondered, and pondered over it, I just find this completely unacceptable, but in short, it is true.
No matter how many concessions, no matter what you give it would never be enough, nothing absolutely nothing Will satisfy a mind that is mad, and evil, a chaotic mind.
So how do you fix the problem, by utterly killing ALL people who are doing these evil deeds, burn them down, annihilate them, exterminate them....and this is where in lies the problem, it seems the only way to deal with madmen is to behave as madmen.
There is no technologies that can fix a mind that's mad short of lobotomizing them, and given the enormity of the number of mad people this is not economically viable which again leads back to extermination, but then you have the problem of not only people who would object to extermination of mad people who can't be fixed but how do you choose, who is qualified to judge who is a madman, I consider many people who's sole pursuit of wealth a form of madness, once they have a certain amount it is pointless to continue to gain anymore wealth, but again it leads me back to "who am I to judge what is enough wealth" and this in lies the problem, the catch 22
How to develop a stable society when everyone wants their independence to worship as they please, to do what makes them happy, to live as they please, to not be told how to live, humans are rebellious by nature and this needs to change, but nobody wants to be told what to do by another, which leads us back to conflict.
I've been thinking quite a lot about how to "fix" the problem of why people war/fight/conflict, I've tried every angle, looking at it from every point of view, the just, the logical, the madman, etc.
I tried so hard to be open to anything, to every solution that satisfies the "point" of why they do as they do, here's what I've concluded when someone made a post in response to my plea for understanding, (some people just want to see the world burn).
That response gave me a short circuit in the brain, I pondered, and pondered over it, I just find this completely unacceptable, but in short, it is true.
No matter how many concessions, no matter what you give it would never be enough, nothing absolutely nothing Will satisfy a mind that is mad, and evil, a chaotic mind.
So how do you fix the problem, by utterly killing ALL people who are doing these evil deeds, burn them down, annihilate them, exterminate them....and this is where in lies the problem, it seems the only way to deal with madmen is to behave as madmen.
There is no technologies that can fix a mind that's mad short of lobotomizing them, and given the enormity of the number of mad people this is not economically viable which again leads back to extermination, but then you have the problem of not only people who would object to extermination of mad people who can't be fixed but how do you choose, who is qualified to judge who is a madman, I consider many people who's sole pursuit of wealth a form of madness, once they have a certain amount it is pointless to continue to gain anymore wealth, but again it leads me back to "who am I to judge what is enough wealth" and this in lies the problem, the catch 22
How to develop a stable society when everyone wants their independence to worship as they please, to do what makes them happy, to live as they please, to not be told how to live, humans are rebellious by nature and this needs to change, but nobody wants to be told what to do by another, which leads us back to conflict.
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That's exactly the problem.
All societies need to sort themselves out. The strongest rise to the top and eventually, those under, learn to toe the new line. One of the more interesting things about English History has bee the way each of the new regimes has imposed itself. Always starting with repression, then re-writing history and finally, a new order.
The problem is the ME is an extra element which we are not permitted to discuss or even mention, on pain of being cast out as anti-******* or even a ********* denier. See Jeremy Corbyn, even Nichola Sturgeon.
That's why I really think Europe should walk away.
Being rebellious (wishing to worship differently, for example) doesn't need to change imo, what needs to change is the willingness of society to accept the new/different way (or at least not to respond violently).
As long as the new way is not abusive or intolerant in itself, of course.
Russia is getting active in Syria.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/09/11/uk-mideast-syria-russia-idUKKCN0RB0ZL20150911
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/09/11/uk-mideast-syria-russia-idUKKCN0RB0ZL20150911
Yes and the United States are worried
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/12/o..._th_20150912&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=35132326
I wonder how much the US can fully appreciate the consequences of its repeated tinkering and changing allegiances has upon the rest of us, safely insulated, thousands of miles away?