Elite Dangerous and Windows 10 Discussion thread.

From what I'm reading so far, Windows 10 is spyware at it's worst. I'm staying away from it for now.

Yes, fair comment....W10 wants to know every little thing that you do on your PC & I never trust what info is being passed around without my knowledge.
Youve got to go through the settings item by item to keep the nosey 'you know what's' from storing & using your info.
 
Watch out if you have a Creative sound card installed because Creative have been exceptionally slow at releasing drivers ... otherwise I had no issues.
 
From what I'm reading so far, Windows 10 is spyware at it's worst. I'm staying away from it for now.

Yes, that probably also explains why the upgrade is "free".

Personally I will wait until the first (hopefully to come) waves of lawsuits forced MS to remove the spyware-garbage.
 
Had a shot of it. Wife's PC was fine but mine was hellish work, W10 couldn't find my network card, even though it's the same make and model as the wife's lol.

So I rolled back to Win7, and I'm sticking with it.

Then I read all about how the app shop is full of ads in "free" games like minesweeper etc., so I rolled hers back to Win7 also.

I didn't see any difference speed wise or much else, apart from the new Win 8 look.

My advice would be to try it if your curious, you can roll back if you hate it. Beware though, it had removed the said, hassled network driver from the wife's upon her rollback (so I used my old 1 on her PC to fix it). :)
 
Okay, so I've just got back from holiday and I'm wondering whether to upgrade (my Bootcamp'd Mac) to running Windows 10? Any benefits or warnings from anybody? I'm not running anything else in Windows other than ED. Cheers Peter

Until Microsoft let you to completely turn off their new 'telemetry' features, I'm sticking with Win 8.1 Pro.
 
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I use Win10 on my gaming PC, no issues so far. Privacy is not a big issue.
My main PC has 7, won't be upgrading until the privacy thing is resolved.
 
Note! Oculus Rift DK2 drivers are NOT Windows 10 compatible yet. I discovered that AFTER upgrading, so now my ship is in 2D [sniff] until the W10 drivers are available.
 
From what I'm reading so far, Windows 10 is spyware at it's worst. I'm staying away from it for now.
What you're reading so far is hysterical knee jerk clickbait mongering.
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Try looking at some more in depth articles. The "spyware" aspects of W10 are pretty much the sorts of things a modern operating system needs to be a modern operating system.
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If you are soiling yourself over privacy.
  • Get rid of your mobile (could track your movements)
  • Get rid of your PC/Mac (W10 spys on you!)
  • Don't use a credit card, don't use a cash machine, don't use a bank account. (could track you finances, your purchases and your location)
  • Don't see your GP (could track you by your NHS number and deduce all sorts of things from your medical records)
  • Don't drive a car (number plate recognition)
  • Stay out of town centres or built up areas (CCTV)
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If you use any of the modern features of our networked world, you are leaving a data trail. Many people actually value privacy less than you think, if you use a store card, or a nectar card you are basically handing your shopping history to them on a plate.
 
Just ask yourself this, does win10 have anything you simply need to have ?
If you answer that with no, then why do it.
Don't think i ever upgraded my OS on any of the rigs i had.
Windows isn't unlike gaming these days. Release and let the paying customer troubleshoot it.
By the time it's made it to service pack 3, it's reasonably useful.
It's just an OS, why bother ?
 
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I like Windows 10 but I honestly noticed no benefit whatsoever except the booting time that moved from very quick to ridiculously fast. If you like your Windows 7 and are perfectly fine with it don't bother updating.
 
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What you're reading so far is hysterical knee jerk clickbait mongering.
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Try looking at some more in depth articles. The "spyware" aspects of W10 are pretty much the sorts of things a modern operating system needs to be a modern operating system.
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If you are soiling yourself over privacy.
  • Get rid of your mobile (could track your movements)
  • Get rid of your PC/Mac (W10 spys on you!)
  • Don't use a credit card, don't use a cash machine, don't use a bank account. (could track you finances, your purchases and your location)
  • Don't see your GP (could track you by your NHS number and deduce all sorts of things from your medical records)
  • Don't drive a car (number plate recognition)
  • Stay out of town centres or built up areas (CCTV)
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If you use any of the modern features of our networked world, you are leaving a data trail. Many people actually value privacy less than you think, if you use a store card, or a nectar card you are basically handing your shopping history to them on a plate.

This isn't strictly true as it does a LOT more than the other items you mention. Anything sent to the search bar or Cortana overhears is sent to Microsoft. They "reserve the right" to upload your calendar appointments, contacts and basically anything you actually write as well as anything the webcam captures (in fact disabling the webcam could be interpreted as a breach of the TOS if you wanted to be picky). They also reserve the right to search for and disable counterfeit hardware, software and media (i.e. illegally ripped MP3s, games and movies) without your knowledge or consent.

Whilst you CAN disable most of this it has been proved that Windows still sends it in some cases, much like MS claimed domain-connected computers wouldn't get the message to upgrade at all, yet it auto-downloaded and knocked multiple small businesses off their internet connections due to the massive downloads on multiple computers at once. Also, if you do disable it all there is absolutely nothing to stop MS sneaking an update to re-enable it all as they reserve the right to alter your settings without your consent and they have flat-out said they do not intend to actually tell you what the majority of updates actually do in future.

The peer-to-peer nature of the Windows updates (which you can turn off and get them direct from MS) has also proven insecure as researchers have already found ways of spoofing illegitimate updates as legitimate ones.

We have been evaluating it to see if we would allow it on our network at work and the answer would have been a very definite No if half of our dev team (who have MSDN Action Packs) hadn't just gone and installed it anyway without our knowledge whilst we were examining it. The consumer builds essentially have control of the computer and you, the owner of the hardware, are no longer able to control the OS as MS can override you whenever they want and take whatever they want. I will be interested to see what happens with the business editions as unless all of this is back-pedaled by a massive degree no business will touch it (or Server 2016).

Data trails are common as you say but nobody gives Facebook their front door keys and tells them to pop over with recording devices and help themselves to whatever property they feel they should have. Microsoft have not just crossed the line of data mining they have raced over it so hard they can't even see the line anymore.
 
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I run Elite under bootcamp on a Mac Pro and I recently upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10. The upgrade for me went smoothly and I haven't had any problems as yet. I haven't needed to re-apply the bootcamp drivers, keyboard and camera (in my Apple LED cinema display) all still worked. Can't say about the mouse as I don't use my Apple mice any more, I like my Magic Mouse but the lack of independent buttons makes it hopeless for gaming.

Frame rate in Elite I would say is a little faster under Windows 10 than in Windows 7.

Hope that helps.

[Mac Pro 2.66Ghz Quad Intel Xeon, 12GB RAM, EVGA GTX 970 FTW]
 
Built a new box on weekend and fresh install of Win10 on it. When installing ED I found it curious the installer recommended it NOT be installed as admin, so the game files will be stored in user data. Why would that be a good thing? Ok, a single user on a PC it wouldn't make a difference to space used, but I like it old school that programs go in the program files area. So I installed as admin. Ran fine except I found it wouldn't remember my username and asked me to validate each time I started. That's annoying. Changed the launcher shortcut to run as admin also, and now it is fine. Not a very smooth experience there.

As for running ED after getting the above sorted, no problems so far. I had no problems with preview versions either, after setting launcher to admin.
 
This isn't strictly true as it does a LOT more than the other items you mention. Anything sent to the search bar or Cortana overhears is sent to Microsoft. They "reserve the right" to upload your calendar appointments, contacts and basically anything you actually write as well as anything the webcam captures (in fact disabling the webcam could be interpreted as a breach of the TOS if you wanted to be picky). They also reserve the right to search for and disable counterfeit hardware, software and media (i.e. illegally ripped MP3s, games and movies) without your knowledge or consent.

Whilst you CAN disable most of this it has been proved that Windows still sends it in some cases, much like MS claimed domain-connected computers wouldn't get the message to upgrade at all, yet it auto-downloaded and knocked multiple small businesses off their internet connections due to the massive downloads on multiple computers at once. Also, if you do disable it all there is absolutely nothing to stop MS sneaking an update to re-enable it all as they reserve the right to alter your settings without your consent and they have flat-out said they do not intend to actually tell you what the majority of updates actually do in future.

The peer-to-peer nature of the Windows updates (which you can turn off and get them direct from MS) has also proven insecure as researchers have already found ways of spoofing illegitimate updates as legitimate ones.

We have been evaluating it to see if we would allow it on our network at work and the answer would have been a very definite No if half of our dev team (who have MSDN Action Packs) hadn't just gone and installed it anyway without our knowledge whilst we were examining it. The consumer builds essentially have control of the computer and you, the owner of the hardware, are no longer able to control the OS as MS can override you whenever they want and take whatever they want. I will be interested to see what happens with the business editions as unless all of this is back-pedaled by a massive degree no business will touch it (or Server 2016).

Data trails are common as you say but nobody gives Facebook their front door keys and tells them to pop over with recording devices and help themselves to whatever property they feel they should have. Microsoft have not just crossed the line of data mining they have raced over it so hard they can't even see the line anymore.
I'm not saying W10 is perfect, far from it, some of the new stuff e.g. P2P updating, has potential issues and some of the privacy policy is rather vague.
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Privacy policies are worded broadly so as to avoid painting themselves into a corner. Companies always need to leave room for manoeuvre in their formal communications. Consider FD, they state that horizons is out "holiday 2015" because if they said "12 Dec 2015" some idiots would get all pitchforky if they were a day late.
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In some the cases you mentioned, of course a modern OS will upload your contacts, appointments, calendar etc. How else will you get notifications across multiple devices? It's like getting all in a flap because Gmail uploads all you emails to their servers. A email app that didn't upload your emails would be useless.
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The writing and typing bit has been explained as anonymous metrics to help improve the handwriting and typing. Now if they were ultra narrow in their policy and it turned out that some extra info was being uploaded or stored they'd be in trouble. Remember the Google map WiFi debacle, the data packets were accidentally picked up from people who weren't encrypting anyway. It was like getting mad at the litter collector because he collected some of the letters you were throwing out of your window.
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Reserving the right to detect and disable counterfeit and pirate hard and software has been explained in the context applying to the store apps, but even so isn't reserving the right to stop someone doing illegal things with your product uncontroversial? Would a gun manufacturer stating that they don't want their products being used for armed robberies be controversial? would an airline reserving the right to refuse boarding to drug smugglers be controversial?
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I'm not saying that some of the privacy issues aren't real, or that the policy doesn't need clarifying or changing, but the blanket "it's all spyware" is over the top tabloid style hyperbole.
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A little perspective and a balanced approach would be nice.
 
Elite:Dangerous worked after my Windows 10 upgrade. AMD FX-8120 CPU, Geforce NVIDIA 970 X 2 GPU.

Might be worth verifying you files, and in some cases people hve reported a need to reinstall it from scratch.
 
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