buy a Python or not
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Going from a vulture to a Python is a huge jump. Personally I wouldn't recommend it. The Vulture is highly manoeuvrable even with zero pips to engines. I went from a Vulture to an A-rated FDL for combat and you really notice the sluggishness in handling. The FDL has more shield energy, but you need it, and you have to constantly fiddle around with the power settings to get the most out of it. Take that into consideration and then realise the Python is much less manoeuvrable than the FDL, which you won't be able to upgrade it much at the start due to cost.
Well i'm not a Python lover nor a Python hater.
I had one for quite some time. I went back to a Clipper.
But I must say that the Python is, by far, the most useful ship in the game. It can do absolutely everything, it is just not the best at anything.
The python docks everywhere, carries a lot of cargo, has a lot of big guns, and well-placed, has room for lots of modules, you can outfit it for anything and it will perform at any role in a efficient manner.
I dropped mine just for one reason alone: I just didn't enjoyed flying it. Everytime I left space dock, I just missed my Clipper
But I must say, I wish my Clipper had the 32 tons of fuel, the near 300 cargo space, the Pythons hardpoint placement, the extra large hardpoint, and especially the ability to dock at outposts.
But when I had the Python, I severely missed the Clipper's speed, and most especially the Clippers agility. The CLipper is a joy to fly, the Python just isn't... But the Python is the most useful, multitasking ship there is in the game.
My advice to OP: try it yourself, as in the end it all comes down to personal taste.
I had one for quite some time. I went back to a Clipper.
But I must say that the Python is, by far, the most useful ship in the game. It can do absolutely everything, it is just not the best at anything.
The python docks everywhere, carries a lot of cargo, has a lot of big guns, and well-placed, has room for lots of modules, you can outfit it for anything and it will perform at any role in a efficient manner.
I dropped mine just for one reason alone: I just didn't enjoyed flying it. Everytime I left space dock, I just missed my Clipper
But I must say, I wish my Clipper had the 32 tons of fuel, the near 300 cargo space, the Pythons hardpoint placement, the extra large hardpoint, and especially the ability to dock at outposts.
But when I had the Python, I severely missed the Clipper's speed, and most especially the Clippers agility. The CLipper is a joy to fly, the Python just isn't... But the Python is the most useful, multitasking ship there is in the game.
My advice to OP: try it yourself, as in the end it all comes down to personal taste.
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I bought my python with funds I raised bounty hunting with the vulture. I still have the vulture, btw.
I had enough for the ship, some insurance and a bit of weapon improvement. I then took it out for a spin to get to learn it. Using it to upgrade itself over time. I did jump in the vulture a time or two to gather some funds in the beginning.
I had enough for the ship, some insurance and a bit of weapon improvement. I then took it out for a spin to get to learn it. Using it to upgrade itself over time. I did jump in the vulture a time or two to gather some funds in the beginning.
Remember the new Dropship MK2 and Gunship will be coming out in September, so you will have more to choice!
The Python is a fanastic versatile ship. If you want to do more than just bounty hunt then it's a no brainer. It would also tie in with the way you explained you like to play as you would be buying it with a low end trader setup with the cash you have. You can then trade, smuggle, do missions or light BH while you build up the credits to upgrade it.
I like it so much I have 2. One for combat and one for mining.
The thing about upgrading to a bigger ship is if you miss your old one you can earn enough to buy it again in a very short space of time.
Good luck and enjoy
I like it so much I have 2. One for combat and one for mining.
The thing about upgrading to a bigger ship is if you miss your old one you can earn enough to buy it again in a very short space of time.
Good luck and enjoy
I would say, never trade in a Vulture, it's just too good of a fighter. I love the Python, but she's a bit of a boat, and sometimes you just want to go tear it up in something lean and mean. If anything, strip her down for the parts and put her in storage. 4M creds aren't going to make or break a Python build anyway.
I actually kept the Vulture as I think it is a great ship and flies very differently to the Python. This adds a bit of variety to your game..
A Python is pretty good even in stock form I had no trouble in RES/Combat Zones plus it is pretty good for trading...
Just make sure you have enough for the rebuy + maybe one extra (you never know)..
A Python is pretty good even in stock form I had no trouble in RES/Combat Zones plus it is pretty good for trading...
Just make sure you have enough for the rebuy + maybe one extra (you never know)..
Python is never a bad investment. If you could only own one ship, this is definitely it. Here are a few key points:
Pros:
-You can land on outposts. Not only does it look cool but you open more trade routes/missions that you wouldnt have with larger ships.
-It handles quite good for its size (its no cobra, but after flying an anaconda it feels like a ferrari in comparison)
-Weapon mounts are excellent for regular, turreted or gimbal. You can get all 5 hardpoints on your target at the same time!!
-Has the seconds best power distributor (right after the Anaconda) So you can use power hungry weapons, this thing packs a serious punch.
-Very versatile ship. You can do anything and everything and its not mediocre at any of it. It will rank near the top for trading (due to its speed and ability to land on outposts i was making almost the same as i do with an Anaconda and had more fun doing it). I really did miss landing on outposts after trading it in.
-One of the best combat ships. If something gets in front of you it will feel serious pain. Would a specialized combat ship (FDL) or an Anaconda take it out? I would say probably, but just barely. The FDL is expensive and cant do much else aside from combat, its a really limited ship in every way (no cargo, no jump range), but in combat its tough to beat.. and if you want an anaconda that can take out a Python you will need some serious money. I'm talking 300 million +
Cons:
Being the beast it is, it would eat a Clipper/Vulture/Cobra/Dropship ect ect... alive!! "IF" they stuck around... and that is where the Python falls short. If you want to PvP its great that almost nothing can kill you, but if faced with smart pilots you wont be able to kill them either. Once they feel like they are in trouble they will just run away and that works both ways, if you get in trouble with a Python, its much harder to run away.
Pros:
-You can land on outposts. Not only does it look cool but you open more trade routes/missions that you wouldnt have with larger ships.
-It handles quite good for its size (its no cobra, but after flying an anaconda it feels like a ferrari in comparison)
-Weapon mounts are excellent for regular, turreted or gimbal. You can get all 5 hardpoints on your target at the same time!!
-Has the seconds best power distributor (right after the Anaconda) So you can use power hungry weapons, this thing packs a serious punch.
-Very versatile ship. You can do anything and everything and its not mediocre at any of it. It will rank near the top for trading (due to its speed and ability to land on outposts i was making almost the same as i do with an Anaconda and had more fun doing it). I really did miss landing on outposts after trading it in.
-One of the best combat ships. If something gets in front of you it will feel serious pain. Would a specialized combat ship (FDL) or an Anaconda take it out? I would say probably, but just barely. The FDL is expensive and cant do much else aside from combat, its a really limited ship in every way (no cargo, no jump range), but in combat its tough to beat.. and if you want an anaconda that can take out a Python you will need some serious money. I'm talking 300 million +
Cons:
Being the beast it is, it would eat a Clipper/Vulture/Cobra/Dropship ect ect... alive!! "IF" they stuck around... and that is where the Python falls short. If you want to PvP its great that almost nothing can kill you, but if faced with smart pilots you wont be able to kill them either. Once they feel like they are in trouble they will just run away and that works both ways, if you get in trouble with a Python, its much harder to run away.
OP you could keep the vulture for combat and buy a type 7 for the odd trade run if you operate from the same home base.
In PvP the python is a better fighter than the vulture due to the number of shield banks it can hold and a turret can still target a vulture even with its superior agility.
In PvE the you may as well use the vulture for fighting and the PvE ships do not carry loads of shield banks it would seem.
If you want to trade and fight without switching then 74 million does allow that in a python, 90 million would be better though.
In PvP the python is a better fighter than the vulture due to the number of shield banks it can hold and a turret can still target a vulture even with its superior agility.
In PvE the you may as well use the vulture for fighting and the PvE ships do not carry loads of shield banks it would seem.
If you want to trade and fight without switching then 74 million does allow that in a python, 90 million would be better though.
You don't need A grade modules for everything. Some things are pointless to upgrade that much.
I had a very good combat python for 100mill Total. Also, with enough shield cell banks(around 4 modules) and shield boosters, you don't need to upgrade your hull. If you fight well, your shields will never go down.
Out of interest, what do you consider not worthy of A-grading? I always just A grade my important modules (thrusters, powerplant, distributer, shield generator), and D-grade the rest. It seems a little one dimensional and smells like wasted opportunity. I'd like it if, for example, A-grade was still the best, but B-Grade thrusters gave good straight line speed but less good directional thrusters, and C-Grade was the inverse of that, etc.
FSD=A, for thusters you only need to be above the max mass of your ship(I've seen people say the higher you are above you max mass the better, but others say it doesn't matter), distributer=A, powerplant = as long as you can power all your hardware(shutting off cargo hatch and fuelscoop is okay IMO), Shield generator depends on a few things. Higher is better, except some shields at lower ratings but with more shield boosters work out cheaper.
lifesupport 5min-10mins is good enough, scanners = c or B is fine(A is not that big difference).
I agree with the ideas for different perks to different ratings. Sadly...
I'd add my vote to these who say that the Python the best all-rounder. I have 240t of cargo space and can earn 4M an hour, plus take missions to hunt down pirate lords in Anacondas. It is true that the handling is much worse than a Vulture, and if you try and fly a Python as if it were a Vulture, it's a bit frustrating. But if you take the time to learn to use thrusters in combat, including reverse thrust against some types of ship, then you can still be very effective. Turret burst lasers on the small hard points allow you to wear down an opponent's shields while you drag the beast round.
Better still is to own both a Python and a Vulture!
Better still is to own both a Python and a Vulture!
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This is very interesting, I too would like hat there were different options for upgrades, with different benefits / drawbacks combinations, instead of just linear progression upgrades.