Creating The Explorer's Nation(s)

[newman1702]

Goddoc, I understand your points. The only thing I don't understand is the aggresiveness of your posts here. Nobody is proposing anything that will have an impact on your game unless you choose it to. You talk about being insulted, but look at the tone you used when you not so much entered, but rather stormed this thread. I'm honestly perplexed at the tone you chose - which would be more expected if you were being forced into anything.

Personally I dislike PP as well, but I do like the idea of a more cohesive, mature, exploration and science based community.

By the way, anyone got ideas how to make such a system not become a griefer paradise? Because I guarantee you, have a place where lots of unarmed ships meet, and griefers will follow.

 

[gooddoc]

Goddoc, I understand your points. The only thing I don't understand is the aggresiveness of your posts here. Nobody is proposing anything that will have an impact on your game unless you choose it to. You talk about being insulted, but look at the tone you used when you not so much entered, but rather stormed this thread. I'm honestly perplexed at the tone you chose - which would be more expected if you were being forced into anything.

Personally I dislike PP as well, but I do like the idea of a more cohesive, mature, exploration and science based community.

By the way, anyone got ideas how to make such a system not become a griefer paradise? Because I guarantee you, have a place where lots of unarmed ships meet, and griefers will follow.

Maybe my post was a tad aggressive, but it's a bit frustrating waiting for the DEVs to do something with the Exploration side of the game & seeing all their efforts concentrated on persuading players to fight with each other. PP is just another one of these!
I know pewpew sells games, but the FD team could have done more to spread the development of other areas of the game.

Having Explorer's join together to form their own little faction & then hope that they can be part of PP is not my idea of developing the Exploration side.

Sorry if others don't agree with what i write, but that's being part of the forum community, we all have different views on things.

I just hope that Horizons has more to offer us Explorer's.

 

[Kancro Vantas]

Having Explorer's join together to form their own little faction & then hope that they can be part of PP is not my idea of developing the Exploration side.

This is not the point, not what we are going to try to do here.

I agree with you. PP is not for me either but an Explorers' base would be a good place to have as a meeting point. To talk to like minded ships.
I don't mind a bit of PewPew and would join in as an independent, if required and it was convenient.

This is the point.

Count me in! I am also not a fan of PP but I do like the idea of an explorer community home and from what I have read it doesn't sound like starting a PP faction is actually the goal (although may become necessary down the line to protect what's ours).

This is the point.

If anything, the creation of this faction (group? power?) should put explorers on FD's radar when it comes to expanding mechanics. Who knows, perhaps one day we'll have a permit based hq with explorer gear on discount, a place where all explorers and fuel rats alike are welcome. Would also be nice to be able to establish outposts at the far reaches of the galaxy, to assist in exploration efforts.
Gooddoc, I understand your apprehention about PP - I share it to an extent. As luck would have it, nobody is forced to partake in PP, and by extension explorers won't be forced to participate in this. However, I do applaud the efforts that may result in expanded, explorer inclusive, more interesting game mechanics.

This is point.

Sorry if others don't agree with what i write, but that's being part of the forum community, we all have different views on things.

Funny you mention having different views as you seem highly offended by the ones presented here. Is not a matter of agreement, is a matter of forum etiquette. This thread was meant to offend no one.

Thanks for your feedback!


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For everyone else on board with this: will be trying to set up a thread in the groups part of the forum over the weekend. I am still waiting some kind of answer from FD in another thread regarding possibly changing the name of the SEPP without losing already gained systems. Stay tuned and thank you!!

 

[esraven]

Hi,

I am an Explorer. When back in the bubble, I mostly do some trading to build up my finances, till I get bored of trading and then again head out exploring.

I like the idea of a mini faction of explorers, but I am completely not interested in any terrorial defense or political games. So, if creating a mini faction means fighting and powerplay, I prefer to stay a loner explorer.
On purpose I have choosen a system which is not involved in any powerplay lying on the outer border of the Bubble as my home system. The station there has all the equipment and ships available and from there I can venture into the great unknown without having to pass the bubble. So I prefer for the moment, this sys as my home system. I has a base and almost no other players enter the system.

I would be glad to join the faction just to be with fellow explorers, but only if I can keep doing the things my way and without being forced to move to ELEU and around.

Greetz

 

[gooddoc]

Im not offended by people having different views, but being accused of replying to the thread after only reading the title does offend me.

i wish you well with your ideas, though i will be taking a different path.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Has anyone mentioned yet that the FGE have already started the process and are trying to get an Explorer faction/power set up?

CMDR Wishblend is leading this.

 

[SMcA]

Im not offended by people having different views, but being accused of replying to the thread after only reading the title does offend me.

i wish you well with your ideas, though i will be taking a different path.

I thought that he was a bit harsh too, Doc. I would have been offended it it had been me.

BTW Tomorrow is my big day, if I'm not bumped again.

 

[Whiterose]

Has anyone mentioned yet that the FGE have already started the process and are trying to get an Explorer faction/power set up?

CMDR Wishblend is leading this.

Who or what is FGE?

 

[Goblin King]

You can count me in, definitely. I'll start heading over this evening to do missions and such.

The previous talk about setting up a whole new station in a virgin system made me think of Jackson's Lighthouse. Nothing and no one there at the moment and from memory it's right out on the edge of the bubble plus sort of has a fitting name for those explorers coming back from the deep black

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

Who or what is FGE?

The First Great Expedition

 

[Krunchie]

Who or what is FGE?

I think it's this:
http://www.firstgreatexpedition.org/



Edit: ninjad

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I think it's this:
http://www.firstgreatexpedition.org/



Edit: ninjad

Yup, that's the one.

 

[Maia Posidana]

As a member of FGE I wholeheartedly support this endeavor. I think that perhaps if you talk to wishblend you will find that our goals are one and the same. Mayhap we should consider tag-teaming this and not only make it happen, but make a unified exploration nation the largest and most respected player-based faction in the game. Count me in.

 

[Kancro Vantas]

Has anyone mentioned yet that the FGE have already started the process and are trying to get an Explorer faction/power set up?

CMDR Wishblend is leading this.

As a member of FGE I wholeheartedly support this endeavor. I think that perhaps if you talk to wishblend you will find that our goals are one and the same. Mayhap we should consider tag-teaming this and not only make it happen, but make a unified exploration nation the largest and most respected player-based faction in the game. Count me in.

AA, thanks for bringing to our attention. CMDR Dommarra mentioned indeed early in the thread.

Just a reminder on the position regarding this, quoting my own OP:

In the face of what's coming, we have two options: support and pledge to each of the already formed and on going nations that are about to be FD certified, or, drop all these independent initiative to come all together to create a new, broader nation for explorer's, as a community.

Either way we go, I think it will still be a win-win situation. I am not rooting for a particular choice here, as much as I am trying to lay out the situation for us so we can take educated decisions as a community.

If we decide to go with our separate states, we should know what states are those, their leaders, their economics and government system, etc. Use this very thread to do exactly so, promote your explorer faction, let us know what you got and why people should join. Knowing all the factions that we are forming, keep us in touch and communicated to work together as articulated states, under a common goal: a coalition of systems, a United Systems of sorts working towards the same general direction.

If we decide to go under a single, unified Nation, we should start the conversation on how are we going to define such group, what system would it be, who would be in the ruling council, etc. But this would also require all smaller and current initiatives to come together in favor of a new blank slate, and start our nation from scratch, as a community project instead. Equally exciting, if you ask me.

With that being said, I have also been a member to FGE, a very inactive one, mostly commenting on their physics forum, and stuff. Not very engaged. They are a big group, and probably the oldest exploration group. They have achieved many of the most important milestones in our profession and I commend them for it.

But at the same time, and in my humble opinion, many explorer's on this forum have grown a community and a group on its own terms and on their own. I don't see the FGE very engaged with us in this community either - nor that they should if they have their own group going- and certainly I didn't see them reaching out to include us in their effort to bring forward this initiative. They are doing what a sensible group in their position would do: organizing to look after their interest and prepping to register as a minor faction.

Far from believing that this was mean spirited, what i do believe is that we have effectively grown two separate groups of explorers: the FGE and us here, with some CMDRS being part of both -e.g. Maia Posidana. With that, I do believe there is space for diversity and two create two groups, two organization that can collaborate with each other.

Or, they drop their initiative, we drop ours and then we come together from scratch, united as a explorer nation.

But the discourse that because they already exist and they are bigger and they are older and they are ahead of us we should just join them and support them, is not that would persuade me to join their initiative. I believe in the group we have formed here, from the days of the Dangerous Discussion to the creation of this forum, we have stayed together. I think we just need a final push to become more organized and benefit us all as a community, a explorer community that comprises both, FGE and us.

 

[AlterEgo1973]

Well, the idea proposed here is certainly interesting, I really hope some form of Explorer "nation" is going to happen, be it this one or another... I'll certainly be a willing participant. For the time being I'm going to stick to plotting out my routes in the great unknown the Peter Pan way - But I'm keeping an eye on the thread!

 

[Katejina]

It seems like some people are convinced that exploration = pacifist. While it might be true that most - if not all - of us prefer to avoid combat with other commanders, I think that a great many of us will not think twice about loading up our ships with the proper equipment to defend our own. I, for one, have nothing against cruising about whichever system we end up in to sniff out and route unwanted aggressors.

Now just because I and other are willing to do this does not mean we are participating in PP, we are simply defending our home. We could care less about what politics go on outside of our own personal space, but that's not to say we're going to welcome pirates into our system hoping that our hospitality will evade their hostility. I would fight tooth and nail to keep y'all safe, regardless of who it is overstepping their authority. If the big 3 are waging war in a system just a couple hops away, whether we care about PP or not, we should worry about that spilling over into our space. I don't think we're trying to effect galactic politics. We're just trying to make a safe haven for all explorers.

Mind you, safety requires either security or secrecy.

 

[t3l3c0n]

It seems like some people are convinced that exploration = pacifist. While it might be true that most - if not all - of us prefer to avoid combat with other commanders, I think that a great many of us will not think twice about loading up our ships with the proper equipment to defend our own. I, for one, have nothing against cruising about whichever system we end up in to sniff out and route unwanted aggressors.

Now just because I and other are willing to do this does not mean we are participating in PP, we are simply defending our home. We could care less about what politics go on outside of our own personal space, but that's not to say we're going to welcome pirates into our system hoping that our hospitality will evade their hostility. I would fight tooth and nail to keep y'all safe, regardless of who it is overstepping their authority. If the big 3 are waging war in a system just a couple hops away, whether we care about PP or not, we should worry about that spilling over into our space. I don't think we're trying to effect galactic politics. We're just trying to make a safe haven for all explorers.

Mind you, safety requires either security or secrecy.

+1 to all of this

 

[Bomba Luigi]

I am not really one to join groups but I am always ready to help the explorers as an independend Pilot if you want me to sell Data a certain station. Can also do some missions and/or fight in a CZ for a faction when I'm back, can't hurt to have plan of what to do then

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

It seems like some people are convinced that exploration = pacifist. While it might be true that most - if not all - of us prefer to avoid combat with other commanders, I think that a great many of us will not think twice about loading up our ships with the proper equipment to defend our own. I, for one, have nothing against cruising about whichever system we end up in to sniff out and route unwanted aggressors.

Now just because I and other are willing to do this does not mean we are participating in PP, we are simply defending our home. We could care less about what politics go on outside of our own personal space, but that's not to say we're going to welcome pirates into our system hoping that our hospitality will evade their hostility. I would fight tooth and nail to keep y'all safe, regardless of who it is overstepping their authority. If the big 3 are waging war in a system just a couple hops away, whether we care about PP or not, we should worry about that spilling over into our space. I don't think we're trying to effect galactic politics. We're just trying to make a safe haven for all explorers.

Mind you, safety requires either security or secrecy.

I endorse everything you've just said.

After having a bit of a think about it, and also having a private word with Cmdr. Kancro, I too agree that this does indeed sound like a good idea on the whole.

Also, note that before I was an explorer, I was a bounty-hunter. The bounty-hunting was to satisfy my sense of honour and justice, and also to fund the Asp and all equipment needed to Boldly Go. So I'm not adverse to a bit of pew-pew every once in a while

Besides which, Genar-Hofoen was never averse to trying out new things (though I'll never be a pirate!)

 

[Raiko]

I’ll gladly help out Kancro. I’ve been friends with the scientists of Martinez Station(?) ever since you recommended visiting the system, so it’s one of several stations that I visit after exploring. Also my one-and-only Type-9 delivery ever was to Santjalan during the plague.

I’m not sure that I’d join a PP power though, my ship The Nomad has no home port, as befits her name and so I’m reluctant to ever pick a side in PP. I feel some ties to several of the powers due to CGs that I’ve joined in with, and so I dislike the fake political landscape that PP has caused, where every power is hostile.

I’ll certainly help out with poking the background sim though.

I feel the same way about FGE by the way. I’ve got accounts on their forum and facebook group, and I hope to visit Base Camp 3 or 4 of the Sagittarius-Carina Expedition as I’m planning to head that way anyway for my own purposes (and also perhaps the final camp at Beagle Point if the timing is right), but I’m not a part of the FGE and I don’t think I’ll ever be interested in a FGE PP Power.