Stop moving threads out of our reach

[OillyRag]

Hi,

I started a thread the other day called "The problem with ramming", I came to access it yesterday and found it had been moved.
that's fine but I believe it has been moved into the alpha forum, which I don't have access to.

There is another thread called "MP Alpha too good to let go?" started by -0- it too has been moved into the alpha forum.

Why ?

As far as my thread is concerned, yes it discussed gameplay in the alpha but does that mean that every thread that even discusses the alpha will be moved out of our reach? that cant be right.
I cant afford to pay the Alpha price but i am a kickstarter backer to the gamma level, surely I should be able to at least discuss the alpha without having mine and other peoples threads pulled out from under me.

And why move a thread that does nothing but praise the alpha out of our reach ? as with mine it isn't a discussion about technical bugs or stuff, they are both just general discussion threads.

This has really annoyed me I have to say so just to reiterate my point:

JUST BECAUSE I CANT AFFORD THE ALPHA I SHOULDN'T BE STOPPED FROM DISCUSSING IT

Question: why dont you contact the Mods
Answer: Ive already contacted the Mods ... i got no response.

 

[Memnoch]

When did you contact them? They might not have had a chance to read your message. You can see if they are on-line on their members page.

 

[noodle]

I think there needs to be some clear guidance about what threads belong where.

 

[noodle]

When did you contact them? They might not have had a chance to read your message. You can see if they are on-line on their members page.

To be fair, it's still a fair point to raise though - what are the criteria for threads being moved into the alpha forum?

 

[Mars]

I had a popular thread about what life might be like in the year Elite is set and they moved it out of the Elite part of the forums to the off-topic section (why??) where no one goes and it immediately died.

I agree with the OP, someone really loves moving threads so all we get left with in this one is moan threads. I really wish they would stop doing it.

Not that I don't respect their decisions of course. Only I wish the thread mover preferred to look at things differently.

 

[OillyRag]

To be fair, it's still a fair point to raise though - what are the criteria for threads being moved into the alpha forum?

Yes exactly, but to answer Memock's point it was over 36hrs ago ... have I jumped the gun?
I don't know but nevertheless it needs clarifying.

 

[Sir.Tj]

Hi Paul,

Sorry, I've only just got to your message on this. my inbox was pretty full this morning and I've got to your VM now.

As you can imagine at the moment with the Alphas upon us the forum is very busy and we are constantly trying to keep it as uncluttered as possible so forum members can find the information they are looking for as quickly as possible.

Duplicate threads and threads which may not be entirely relevant to the section it was created in will tend to get merged and moved.

The problem we are finding is the large influx of threads being generated that either need to be merged into existing threads on the same subject or they need to be moved to the relevant section.

In this case where a thread has been moved to a section where the OP has not the required access to it's something we need to look into. I've raised this thread with the Mod team and one of us will get back to you.

Please remember, the Mods are all volunteers on here and we all work and have family's etc so it may take a little while to get to things.

 

[OillyRag]

Hi Paul,
In this case where a thread has been moved to a section where the OP has not the required access to it's something we need to look into. I've raised this thread with the Mod team and one of us will get back to you.

Cheers TJ, thanks

Please remember, the Mods are all volunteers on here and we all work and have family's etc so it may take a little while to get to things.

Yes of course, maybe I was a bit hasty, my apologies.

 

[Stormprooter]

I had a popular thread about what life might be like in the year Elite is set and they moved it out of the Elite part of the forums to the off-topic section (why??) where no one goes and it immediately died.

I agree with the OP, someone really loves moving threads so all we get left with in this one is moan threads. I really wish they would stop doing it.

Not that I don't respect their decisions of course. Only I wish the thread mover preferred to look at things differently.

Had a similar experience when I started a thread on the impact of E : D on new sales of joysticks, graphics cards and PCs - got moved to off-topic hardware forum, when it was not really a hardware thread, rather the effect of E : D on sales. Yet other hardware related threads regarding joystick setups stayed in this forum. I was a little confused by the decision.

I did query it (thread moved because it is hardware related), but did not argue. It's down to the subjective opinion of the moderators, and for the most part, I think their judgement is pretty good - but they are people, and therefore will make some decisions that are bound to be disagreed with.

For example, there is a current thread here which is about hardware specs, that has not been moved - what makes this thread qualify to stay?

Not wanting an argument on it, just some clarification.

 

[noodle]

Hi Paul,

Sorry, I've only just got to your message on this. my inbox was pretty full this morning and I've got to your VM now.

As you can imagine at the moment with the Alphas upon us the forum is very busy and we are constantly trying to keep it as uncluttered as possible so forum members can find the information they are looking for as quickly as possible.

Duplicate threads and threads which may not be entirely relevant to the section it was created in will tend to get merged and moved.

The problem we are finding is the large influx of threads being generated that either need to be merged into existing threads on the same subject or they need to be moved to the relevant section.

In this case where a thread has been moved to a section where the OP has not the required access to it's something we need to look into. I've raised this thread with the Mod team and one of us will get back to you.

Please remember, the Mods are all volunteers on here and we all work and have family's etc so it may take a little while to get to things.

Can you clarify what the position is on threads discussing aspects of the alpha though please? Do you expect them to be posted exclusively in the alpha forum?

 

[Philip Coutts]

I guess the mods use their own common sense when they move threads. I generally think they do a good job of keeping the boards tidy and putting stuff in the right place. I guess the difficulty comes with having areas that only some people can access such as the private backers and Alpha sections.

 

[X2Eliah]

One more thing to consider - the devs are probably paying *more* attention currently to the Alpha subforum, rather than the general forum (looking for feedback and such). So, if your idea/thread gets moved into the alpha forum, and (ofc) discussion arises and alpha-testers weigh in, then there's a greater chance that devs will take note of the thread, the ideas therein, and it is more likely to have a tangible effect on the game.

 

[Red Line]

It has been annoying me too. It wouldn't be so bad if the non-alpha backers had read only access to the alpha backer forums.

Alpha backers, I ask you, what is going on in that exclusive party room? Is it awesome? Is it 200 pounds awesome?

 

[noodle]

Alpha backers, I ask you, what is going on in that exclusive party room? Is it awesome? Is it 200 pounds awesome?

I'd love to lie in order to ease the pain, but unfortunately the answers to your questions are yes and yes.

 

[-o-]

There is another thread called "MP Alpha too good to let go?" started by -0- it too has been moved into the alpha forum.

Why ?

Under the current forum rules, we can't publically discuss decisions mods make which we disagree with. So moving a thread in itself is a decision a mod has made, as as such, we are not allowed to publically discuss that decision if we disagree with it.

I want to make it quite clear that I do not disagree with the decision, and as such, I am allowed to discuss the decision as per the forum rules.

I understand mods need to apply the rules as they are written, even though at times they personally may disagree with them, and I can respect that. However I also ask that they respect the rights of the community who also follow the rules, even though they too may disagree with them.

In my case, the thread got moved withing 5 minutes of me creating it, which I found to be very efficient. Like you, I too have no access to the alpha forum so I found it unhelpful that it was moved to an area I can never read or edit - especially considering I started the thread.

Although I do not have have read access to my thread, I still have a local copy of it. As I did not start this particular thread, I do not see a reason my original post cannot be copied here for my, and the community's reference, under the current forum rules.

Spoiler

With the combat MP alpha is proving popular, I was thinking whether it would be worth implementing such a battleground/arena/FFA system into the final game.

Lets say you only had about 30 minutes to kill for a session, and you were in a competitive mood, you can start the game in the "Free For All" option from the game start menu. The game them throws you into an pre-allocated battleground instance with a max of 32 players.

There you can have fun blasting away at other players & NPCs, as well as improving your combat skills for the full ED mode. Off course, nothing within this mode gets carried over into the other modes in the game. There could however be an arena leaderboard, or other progression based reward systems isolated to that FFA mode.

Do you think it distracts too much from the classic Elite mode, or can its action based focus be used in eventually lure more players to the game who would normally have considered ED too slow?

So just as a warning to others, it seems that if you start a thread which mentions the alpha in any manner, it may get moved to the alpha section which you may not have access to.

This however, does not explaun why there are stickies in both the public "Elite: Dangerous General" and the "Elite: Dangerous Gameplay and Features" which discuss the alpha.

 

[Penthux]

I think there needs to be some clear guidance about what threads belong where.

Discussion is discussion and, I believe, everybody should be able to discuss the ins and outs of every aspect (in general conversation) about the game without having to join Alpha. Exclusivity is fine, but when you have to pay for the privilege you have to use at least use some common sense before moving threads, etc. (e.g why did the OP post it in "E: D General" forum?)

 

[noodle]

Discussion is discussion and, I believe....

I believe all sorts of things, but I'd like to know what criteria the mod team are expecting us to adhere to

 

[Stormprooter]

I believe all sorts of things, but I'd like to know what criteria the mod team are expecting us to adhere to

It would be nice to have a clearer idea of where the lines are drawn. It would probably help reduce the amount of load for the mods too....

 

[OillyRag]

why did the OP post it in "E: D General" forum?)

I posted it in Gameplay & Features,

It was a discussion about the the tendency of ships to bounce of each other when they collide.

To be honest it was mostly solved for me by a rather informative video by pschokow, but the principle still stands.
We should be able to discuss general principles of the alpha without said discussion being moved out of reach.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

As for the topic, in a way if moved to the alpha it is a good thing as it means an OPs suggestion may be taken seriously by the alpha testers and devs. I said it in another thread a while ago after one of my threads got moved, perhaps read only alpha forum access for all backers would be a solution

as for the below........................

Spoiler

With the combat MP alpha is proving popular, I was thinking whether it would be worth implementing such a battleground/arena/FFA system into the final game.

Lets say you only had about 30 minutes to kill for a session, and you were in a competitive mood, you can start the game in the "Free For All" option from the game start menu. The game them throws you into an pre-allocated battleground instance with a max of 32 players.

There you can have fun blasting away at other players & NPCs, as well as improving your combat skills for the full ED mode. Off course, nothing within this mode gets carried over into the other modes in the game. There could however be an arena leaderboard, or other progression based reward systems isolated to that FFA mode.

Do you think it distracts too much from the classic Elite mode, or can its action based focus be used in eventually lure more players to the game who would normally have considered ED too slow?

To answer your question, To me the obvious answer to this would be to have an "arcade" in the space stations where you can play games.

you could even have to pay for lives, and then when shot the money you paid, or a proportion of it, goes to the other arcade player who shot you.

it also would allow friends to play together who otherwise are at a different area in space assuming the spacestations were all linked up via an internet type hub **

**small amount of suspension of disbelief needed here to allow lag free gaming accross the universe**.