General / Off-Topic Why are people so angry?

[Winterwalker]

There is no smoke without fire, generally

.. but people don't always need a *good" reason to be angry.

(for instance, I stubbed my pinky toe this morning and have you even seen Donald Trump?).

 

[Surfinjo]

I used to be angry, but maintaining it in the face of ignorance was tiring, so now I've become disillusioned and have gone off to play something else till things improve here.

Me too.

I really want to get back to Elite. I was so looking forward to it. But it's unplayable for me right now. I could upgrade my Computer and have looked into it. But there's little point until I know where things are going.

Personally, I'm back with LOTRO. Currently looking forward to the Great Server Move which is intended to increase the number of players on each server, 5 fold.

Like to check back here to see what's going on, keep an eye on the developing culture and so on.

 

[Sandmann]

.. but people don't always need a *good" reason to be angry.

No, but for them to be THIS angry for THIS long with such consistency something must be going wrong somewhere.

That doesn't bother me so much - things take time to develop fully, budgets must be met etc etc etc. What REALLY bothers me is that FDev seem to be oblivious to the degree of anger, and keep doing things like CQC because they think (as they said in a recent interview) "it's what the players want". Uhh, no, what the players want is what you originally said you'd do! Now stop messing around and start either doing it, or at least tell us what you plan to do!

 

[Winterwalker]

No, but for them to be THIS angry for THIS long with such consistency something must be going wrong somewhere.

That doesn't bother me so much - things take time to develop fully, budgets must be met etc etc etc. What REALLY bothers me is that FDev seem to be oblivious to the degree of anger, and keep doing things like CQC because they think (as they said in a recent interview) "it's what the players want". Uhh, no, what the players want is what you originally said you'd do! Now stop messing around and start either doing it, or at least tell us what you plan to do!

CQC beta is the most harmonious update yet .. ? (I think) And there is, a large PvP crowd out there.

I think they're doing exactly what you want Commander, but building it bottom up in a way that I still find very exciting. Nothing wrong with FD raising as much money as they can in my view, the game proper can only benefit from having well funded developers. Plus, have you even seen Donald Trump?

 

[EdzUp]

Perfect analogy. I think it's mainly due to people lacking in the imaginative area, not knowing "what to do" in-game. For some of us there's TONS to do, for others however they see it surface only. On the surface there's Trading, bounty hunting or mission running. In the end they think only about money instead of adventure and thus they end with trading and get bored with the game.

Right now it's a limbo point, the breaking point really. The game's been out for almost a year, full release not counting beta, and there's hasn't been much change in anything added. It's stagnant. The calm before the storm.

To solve this we have Horizon's, CQC and a few other added content as well coming our way. But is it too little too late?

People are too used to games that, whatever activity they take part in, they get rewarded well. Take Eve for example, mining in Eve is highly rewarding that even a Trial player can make their first 10million in a day or so. Elite Dangerous is not like that, it requires people to actually WORK to get what they want. Thus mining in ED, while profitable late-game, isn't something a new player can get behind for money making.

So they either ask on the forums or google and find that either bounty hunting or trading is the money maker. Now a new player goes bounty hunting and makes a few hundred thousand with easy missions, but the money isn't fast enough for them. So they spend their newly accumulated wealth on a ship with a big cargo hold and starts trading, making a decent profit. But trading isn't for everyone, I've tried and nearly fell asleep.

So the new player that isn't happy with slow monetary gain takes to the forums to complain about how the game should be changed, or how the game sucks.

Patience is a virtue, especially in a game where it, to steal a Dark Souls saying, takes time to "Git Gud".

A brilliant analogy of the whole situation, I think another one is most people buy a game that isnt tagged as 'beta' or 'WIP' expect the game to be finished when they get it so they can do everything the developer promised, as this isnt the case and FDEV seem to veer wildly from DDA to obscurity I think this upsets a lot of people as well especially those that backed the Kickstarter for the game that they were promised in the videos.

 

[Sandmann]

CQC beta is the most harmonious update yet .. ? (I think) And there is, a large PvP crowd out there.

I think they're doing exactly what you want Commander, but building it bottom up in a way that I still find very exciting. Nothing wrong with FD raising as much money as they can in my view, the game proper can only benefit from having well funded developers. Plus, have you even seen Donald Trump?

I'd agree that out of all the updates so far (other than Wings perhaps) CQC has been the most widely welcomed. It however wasn't anticipated, and noone could argue that it doesn't depart wildly from the original, basic concept of Elite. Remember Braben's been quite proud of the fact that he bucked the trend thirty years ago and made a ground-breaking, innovative game that wasn't "three lives and powerups" and here they are putting exactly that "three lives and powerups" gameplay into Elite now. However yes, it's a welcome update by many and even though I've no interest in playing it I personally don't even have any complaints about it either other than that it's poorly integrated into the main game. My complaint is (and always has been) that they KEEP ON doing updates that people DIDN'T want (even if they were later welcomed) and NOT doing the updates that people DID want and on the promise of which they received their original funding, and to compound the problem and add insult to injury they pretend they can't hear us complaining, act like this was the plan all along, and refuse to tell us what's going on.

 

[Roberto]

Well, one way you could have avoided coming across as overly argumentative would be to have not included the quip at the end of your reply, but that's by the by.

Well, given that you were posting things like this yesterday...

Your IQ is as high as the T9's agility.

...the phrase "Physician, heal thyself" once again springs to mind.

simply put, passion and frustration for something shouldn't = arguments.

What you're doing here is playing with semantics. People you agree with are "passionate"; people you disagree with are "arguing". In reality, as your "IQ" quote and others prove, you're as argumentative as anyone. Which is fine, btw. Just stop pretending. "Oh my goodness - isn't it just awful how argumentative everyone is? I'm shocked, I tell you - shocked!"

 

[YinYin]

What you're doing here is playing with semantics. People you agree with are "passionate"; people you disagree with are "arguing". In reality, as your "IQ" quote and others prove, you're as argumentative as anyone. Which is fine, btw. Just stop pretending. "Oh my goodness - isn't it just awful how argumentative everyone is? I'm shocked, I tell you - shocked!"

I don't think ad hominem is fine or counts as arguing (which is/would be fine).

 

[Roberto]

Yes - should have clarified. His IQ dig wasn't on. But "arguing" generally is fine, as you say.

 

[Winterwalker]

I'd agree that out of all the updates so far (other than Wings perhaps) CQC has been the most widely welcomed. It however wasn't anticipated, and noone could argue that it doesn't depart wildly from the original, basic concept of Elite. Remember Braben's been quite proud of the fact that he bucked the trend thirty years ago and made a ground-breaking, innovative game that wasn't "three lives and powerups" and here they are putting exactly that "three lives and powerups" gameplay into Elite now. However yes, it's a welcome update by many and even though I've no interest in playing it I personally don't even have any complaints about it either other than that it's poorly integrated into the main game. My complaint is (and always has been) that they KEEP ON doing updates that people DIDN'T want (even if they were later welcomed) and NOT doing the updates that people DID want and on the promise of which they received their original funding, and to compound the problem and add insult to injury they pretend they can't hear us complaining, act like this was the plan all along, and refuse to tell us what's going on.

Well for what it's worth, I see enough here to be able to maintain that, while the player base (not unjustifiably) wants the game finished (implemented, as fully expected, and as of right now) .. FD (also not unjustifiably) wants (a) "to do it really well" (quoting DBOBE, in early dev diary re: planetary landings) and (b) to fund the game into the future, a probable necessity in order to do the job well.

Updates coming in an order that the playerbase does not expect, is no proof at all that FD has somehow ditched the overall vision. In fact, seen in the light of what might make the game have longevity for even the heaviest user, one bugbear, the powerplay architecture adds a level of gameplay depth. This is in fact regardless of how it looks at first implementation. (For "Aisling Duval", you could read for instance, "Thargoid Invasion Fleet", "Promoted Player Faction" or "A.N. Other Evil Corporation" and for "preparation commodity" read ANY commodity).

It's only unfortunate if this takes time if people are (yes, determined) to believe that they are seeing a finalised iteration, rather than the foundation stones laid for development of a multi-faceted game experience in the longer term. In my view this has no more value than kids in the backseat demanding to know if we're nearly there yet, as it's complicated by the fact that FD have a certain level of secrecy to keep in order to get the best marketing value they can, from all new releases, be they foundation stone or final iteration?

 

[Patrick_68000]

.. but people don't always need a *good" reason to be angry.

(for instance, I stubbed my pinky toe this morning and have you even seen Donald Trump?).

The anger with or without reason is human. As long as it remains within reasonable limits, no problem. Often it can change the things

 

[Sandmann]

Updates coming in an order that the playerbase does not expect, is no proof at all that FD has somehow ditched the overall vision.

If that was what was happening it'd be fine, however it's not. It's NOT that they are releasing promised content in an unexpected order though... it's that they are releasing content that was never discussed or foreshadowed AND that this content takes the game in a different direction than originally proposed AND that they are NOT releasing content that was originally promised. Further, they refuse to acknowledge or discuss this, and are pretending that this was always the plan and that everyone's happy with it.

 

[Buglet]

Well, given that you were posting things like this yesterday...



...the phrase "Physician, heal thyself" once again springs to mind.



What you're doing here is playing with semantics. People you agree with are "passionate"; people you disagree with are "arguing". In reality, as your "IQ" quote and others prove, you're as argumentative as anyone. Which is fine, btw. Just stop pretending. "Oh my goodness - isn't it just awful how argumentative everyone is? I'm shocked, I tell you - shocked!"

If that IQ joke was taken to be offensive then I appear to be in a place with very sensitive people.

EDIT: Also, even if I was pretending (which I'm not) I don't reckon you'd be in a position to tell me to stop - unless, of course, you'd be willing to forcefully exert yourself upon me, much like how rapists forcefully exert themselves upon their victims, which isn't very friendly and often causes arguments.

 

[YinYin]

An insult never crosses into joke territory to me - no need to be sensitive for that. Even if most modern "comedians" happen to do little else I'll admit.

And we are all in a position to tell you to stop. And you can't stop us from doing so (lest you find a forceful way as you described for us ).
Listening to anyone is up to you.

 

[Kastor]

Whenever I'm angry on the forums it's because I can see someone else trying to stop the game from improving.

 

[Roberto]

If that IQ joke was taken to be offensive then I appear to be in a place with very sensitive people.

It wasn't the worst insult I've encountered by a long chalk, but as YinYin has pointed out, it was a clear instance of you attacking the man and not the ball. How can you start a thread decrying the "anger" on the forum and declaring you "want to be a nice guy" and expect not to get called out on this?

EDIT: Also, even if I was pretending (which I'm not) I don't reckon you'd be in a position to tell me to stop - unless, of course, you'd be willing to forcefully exert yourself upon me, much like how rapists forcefully exert themselves upon their victims, which isn't very friendly and often causes arguments.

I'm sorry - are you actually comparing my post urging you to own up to your own arguing with an act of (word censored)?

I shall refrain from engaging with you any further, but caution you that I will report any future posts you make slighting my character (or anyone else's) in such a way. I've said elsewhere on the forum that I dislike people looking for offence where there is none, but that doesn't appear to be the case here.

 

[Sandmann]

Whenever I'm angry on the forums it's because I can see someone else trying to stop the game from improving.

Are you angry because people speak against an idea that FDev have, or against an idea that has been proved to have a large amount of public support, or against an idea that you personally think will be an "improvement"?

 

[titan_uk]

[h=1]Why are people so angry?[/h]

....I don't reckon you'd be in a position to tell me to stop - unless, of course, you'd be willing to forcefully exert yourself upon me, much like how rapists forcefully exert themselves upon their victims...

Because of incongruous posts by dumb-asses?