Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

Do you want a Open PvE

  • Yes, I want a Open PvE

    Votes: 54 51.4%
  • No, I don't want a Open PvE

    Votes: 49 46.7%
  • I want only Open PvE and PvP only in groups

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Total voters
    105
  • Poll closed .
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Someone has to be the bad guy. Antagonists add to the story. A story without struggle and loss is boring, hero's journey and all that.

Well, now you're in my bailiwick, throwing Joseph Campbell in to this argument/discussion.

In many cultures and times, the "Hero's Journey" doesn't entail fighting anyone except perhaps the weather or the landscape. It has nothing to do with external conflict - it is an internal, spiritually maturing journey.

"Someone has to be the bad guy" is only in cheap and/or bad fiction that shows little understanding of Campbell's work.
Tell me, in Hemingway's "The Old Man & The Sea," who is the "bad guy"? Who is the "antagonist"?

I can toss a couple Jorge Luis Borges stories at you, or perhaps some Maya Angelou or Mircea Eliade to underpin and illustrate my point. Also a bunch of Native American or Inuit stories. I might even be inclined to toss Robert Graves at you although his work is riddled with inconsistencies due to his personal prejudices.
 
out of rep so...

Just wish people would stop pretending otherwise. If they think it's okay to attack someone like that then own it - stop blaming the cat, the rules, their rights, the phase of the moon or whatever else and don't get upset when people call them on it.

and here is the crux of the whole matter. Silly actors with bad hair who are "villains" don't pretend they are anything but villains. They don't try to shelter behind "rules" or "they didn't say I can't do it" or "the game mechanics allow it," which are all pretty lame excuses to somehow justify anti-social and sociopathic actions.

People can quote The Joker all they want but they can't live up to the honest hatred and out-front nastiness that is The Joker. He'd shoot them in the face without a second thought (which he does to his henchmen pretty regularly) but not try and excuse his own behavior.
 
Its personal life experience Marra. Ive been outside society and inside and halfway between on my journey to where I am now. Ive seen and experienced things that I wish I hadnt. However I may have over generalised but this is no place for a full anthropological study thus generalisations are made.

Looks like a Soc-Anth storm is brewin' up in this thread. We may have to start another thread just for it!

Oh, look around you, all around you
Riding on a copper wave
Do you like the world around you?
Are you ready to behave?

Outside of society, they're waitin' for me
Outside of society, that's where I want to be

- Patti Smith
 
The fragility of the dedicated trading ships is one particular bugbear of mine.

Yeah, I don't get this either; it's silly. In other space games, traders are armed, and not with pop-guns. Big cannons, yes, but weighty and turreted (at least turrets are getting better; the golden key for them is A-class sensors). A trader would have to make a choice - effective weapons or more cargo? Then there'd be a real choice. I can't imagine an insurance company willing to underwrite a trader and his/her cargo without some hefty weapons capability.
 

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NOTHING WILL CHANGE UNLESS THE COMMUNITY DECIDES TO TRY, At least I posted an Idea that would balance the Risk of OPEN play with the Safety of SOLO and Group, while rewarding people for playing with other players. Regardless of what the Devs have already said, they are wrong, and a large majority of the community believes they are wrong otherwise this thread would not have 3 different postings because of the activity.

Indeed - however, it is clear that only a subset of the community seeks to change the game in this particular case.

Your idea does not balance anything - there is only additional risk in Open *if* a player is in an instance with another player (not guaranteed by any means - the galaxy is BIG) *and* the other player opposes the first player. Then there might be additional risk. Taking this into account, the vast majority of Open at the same risk level as Solo.

With respect to reward, to place a blanket reward over the whole of Open just because a vanishingly small portion of Open is more risky does not seem to target that reward at all. There is also the point of view that the reward for playing in Open is to be affected directly by other players and, in turn, have the ability to affect them.

Regarding the "large majority of the community" that, in your opinion, believes that Frontier is "wrong" - can you support this contention with any solid data? This thread (and its two predecessors.... and many, many others before that) exists because some players don't like the freedoms that these core game features offer each and every player and the simple fact that Frontier do not seem to be about to change them to suit the play-style of a subset of players. The debate will probably continue throughout the life of the game - this (continuing) thread is the place where that debate takes place on the forum.
 
Relayer I need to be able to rep you More.. your going end up getting my whole cargo of Cubeio Razorback Bacon this trip:p

And if I remember correctly because it has be a few yea.... um decades since read it.. the "villain" in the "Old man and the Sea" was the ocean wasn't it? Or am I thinking of another story?
 
My Proposed Values for different modes

Solo Mode Values
Credits Earned = X
Faction XP = .75X
Powerplay Merits Earned = .25X
Ranking XP = .75X

Group Play Mode Values(Values Shown Range From Number of Wing Members
Credits Earned = X - 1.10X
Faction XP = .75X - X
Powerplay Merits Earned = .25X - .75X
Ranking XP = .75X - X

Open Play Mode Values(Values Shown Range From Number of Wing Members)
Credits Earned = 1.25X - 1.5X
Faction XP = 1.25X - 1.5X
Powerplay Merits Earned = X - 1.25X
Ranking XP = 1.25X - 1.5X
Let's just call this what it is: Extortion. No to extortion.
 
But then, the fact I don't trust Frontier since the removal of the offline mode, and that I will likely need about a decade to trust them again, has much to do with why I'm this bitter with them and willing to, if needed, break any rules they lay down in order to secure the game I was promised.

Well, I'll agree with you here. I was really excited that Elite was coming back, with modern graphics and all. A lot of "the opposition" seem to forget that Elite & her offspring were single-player games. I was also a bit concerned when they dropped the offline mode, but I listened to their explanations and understood some of the problems with syncing the BGS and etc.

However, I was also given solo with the understanding that I could play it, well, solo. That's why I never care when "the opposition" starts with the name-slinging, taunting & "calling-out" - I don't give a poodle about it. I can get out of it what I got out of it in 84 (or 85, or 86, or...) except with real stellar graphics and sound! Yip! as some of my furred brethren would say :)
 
Remind me again how you stop all those XB1 players in Open?

Heh. And he forgot the matchmaking problem of instancing.

Thing is, exploiters will exploit, no matter what mode or style of any game. I really don't think the majority of players in solo do so as a "haha I escaped you!" thing - that is what the exploiters do with it.

And what about all those "the game allows it so I can do it" posters when the game allows solo mode?

*crickets*
 
2. Double NAT. Firewalls. Artificial latency. There are many ways to influence the matchmaking system to never actually match you with anyone else even while playing in Open, which basically means that any such mode-based bonus rewards would be easily exploitable, rendering them ineffective.

heyyyy, quit givin' our 1337 seekrets away!
 
The people that I play with stay in OPEN almost all the time, the only time they normally play in solo, is maybe when they are trading trying to grind out a ship, or exploring, and they don't feel like getting ganked after a month or two of spending their time grinding, and I can understand that, even I have switched to solo while trading when a certain group of individuals were killing on site in an area I was at, and all i was trying to do was grind out enough to get my python.


I really can't believe you just said that and then go on to calling solo "an exploit," particularly as you have shown that you use it too when your self-imposed goals get dirt kicked on them while in open!

The cognitive dissonance, it hums!

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Really?
Do I understand that correctly: you played in Solo to grind to get your Python without risking getting killed by a player group, but playing Power Play in Solo is exploiting because its gaining something without risking anything?
Really? LOL

ACK, out of rep! and you ninja'd my response! But I decided to leave it anyways for teh lulz :D
 
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But what if there is another CMDR at the resource site I go to ?
You have several options

1. Wing up with them and share the proceeds.
2. Intimidate / Shoo them away.
3. Kill them.
4. Or go to another res site / system

Its not like there aren't a bazillion systems.
Couple of problems with that.

1. Winging up halves the profit. The reward really is co-operating with another CMDR, if you're into that sort of this. Which I'm not. So even if it doubled the rewards, I wouldn't
2. Yeah, no. I am not playing/being a bully. I don't have self-esteem issues you see.
3. For what? For being where I want to be? That would make me the pillock I hate to see in the game, so not an option.
4. Ok, that's a viable option. But what's the difference between finding another RES site with no CMDRs, or simply going solo?
 
NOTHING WILL CHANGE UNLESS THE COMMUNITY DECIDES TO TRY, At least I posted an Idea that would balance the Risk of OPEN play with the Safety of SOLO and Group, while rewarding people for playing with other players.
You posted an idea that would give you more credits.
Regardless of what the Devs have already said, they are wrong
No, you are wrong.
and a large majority of the community believes they are wrong otherwise this thread would not have 3 different postings because of the activity.
Because you only need 1 side for a discussion. I can do this as well

A large majority of the community believes you are wrong otherwise this thread would not have 3 different postings because of the activity. Otherwise you'd get:

"Open yay!"
"Yeah, Solo booo!"
"That's right"
"Indeed"
"Yeah"
"..."
"Nice weather"
"Isn't it?"
"..."
"How about those Broncos?"
 
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