Open-PVP and Open-PVE would solve so much problems.
What is important is that the assets ( $$ and ships ) should be kept separated between the 2.
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Open-PVP and Open-PVE would solve so much problems.
What is important is that the assets ( $$ and ships ) should be kept separated between the 2.
Then report him.. and it is funny how you make a comment now about "not something the rules allow when you can look at your posts from earlier and people warning you about what the rules allow and your replies..
And I fully disagree it has a lot to do with the debate.. it is a comparison and not meaningless vitriol. Open has an issue.. the same issue that infects EvE and made a LOT of people myself included leave it. If given almost total free reign, as they are here and in EvE, certain elements who play the game will act like a cancer and disrupt the game play of others. When people are leaving a mode because of these actions and others who play the mode complain about "wasteland" of open and people leaving.. do you see those people who purposely disrupt others play of the game as healthy for the mode or as cancerous and need to be removed?
See that flies in the face of the design, that pesky freedom to move about as you wish with your same ship / gear.
Hence I gave up supporting a PvE mode - as people will still want to move between PvP and PvE at will with the one set of gear.
And we end up back at square one - PvPers want more rewards than PvEers as they are more important an their feelings matter more and their time is worth more.
Doesn't solve a thing. Delays it, slows it down or shuts it up for a bit - but would not take long before we are back here again.
I disagree because some depending on their mood may want to fight a little, or a trader in open may ask for an escort.
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Then report him.. and it is funny how you make a comment now about "not something the rules allow when you can look at your posts from earlier and people warning you about what the rules allow and your replies.. "
I have yet to receive any complaints from my time in this debate over the last few days. I have remained respectful, and maintained the staunch position that all game modes are valid. I even apologised every time someone said they were insulted, yet continued to be called a troll. It seems unconstructive to label people like that.
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And I fully disagree it has a lot to do with the debate.. it is a comparison and not meaningless vitriol. Open has an issue.. the same issue that infects EvE and made a LOT of people myself included leave it. If given almost total free reign, as they are here and in EvE, certain elements who play the game will act like a cancer and disrupt the game play of others. When people are leaving a mode because of these actions and others who play the mode complain about "wasteland" of open and people leaving.. do you see those people who purposely disrupt others play of the game as healthy for the mode or as cancerous and need to be removed"
I see those people as a vital part of dynamic open play, so no i don't see it as "cancerous", cancer kills people and destroys lives, this is just a game
As for EVE, I only talk about Elite Dangerous, it seems lots of people derail the discussion by talking about other games like SC or EVE. ED is a totally different game, and by all accounts, a much nicer place to play in Open than the EVE galaxy. I played EVE about 10 years ago, seemed like a great game. Either way, it seems irrelevant to me.
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Actually he told me he does it, that is why I blocked him. There are some old threads where he talks about it, just be aware
Please go into more detail how my definition is 'invalid" by what you just posted it makes what I posted even more valid. OPen-PVE Explains that it is pve.. simple. Open-PVP Very simple and clear statement at the start alerting the reader or viewer to the fact that it contains potentially distressing material. aka getting shot at which they may not want.
He claims he has been.
And even when I ignore someone I can still their posts in quotes.... what a waste of time that was
Seriously filter his posts, filter mine and line the conversation up - he is trying to get people banned and not even being shy about it.
Just /ignore and move on.
Put that saved time in to thinking about the benefits of removing Open Mode.
(and I am being genuine with this - the first time I said it (about 1600Hrs today) I was being facetious, but since about 1800Hrs I've actually meant it and am backing the idea properly now)
You can't be serious.
PvPers don't want more rewards. They just want a balanced playing field.
PVErs just want to do their things and not be hunted / forced to pvp.
With that out of the way, switching modes is the root of the problem here. Its simple balance.
Its a good idea in theory, but it doesn't work. At least not right now. Keep the flawed design we have right now (for those that like it, even with all the problems) but ADD new modes that are "restriced". (separated assets) ; open-pvp, open-pve.
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Tell me about it! Putting someone on ignore means ignoring the whole damn thread too!
"Please go into more detail how my definition is 'invalid""- No need to, I gave you the official definition, and the one I was using, just to clarify
"OPen-PVE Explains that it is pve!"
Yes but I was talking about attaching a warning to Open Play a game mode that actually exists, not adding a tab with Open PvE, so again, you are talking about your own thing here. If you get the game mode, i agree! Put a note next to the game mode. It is not there to put a trigger on though...
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Then report him.. and it is funny how you make a comment now about "not something the rules allow when you can look at your posts from earlier and people warning you about what the rules allow and your replies.. "
I have yet to receive any complaints from my time in this debate over the last few days. I have remained respectful, and maintained the staunch position that all game modes are valid. I even apologised every time someone said they were insulted, yet continued to be called a troll. It seems unconstructive to label people like that.
Maybe you should read replies to you where people, myself included have mentioned that calling those in solo hiding and other words you used are things that are not appropriate
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And I fully disagree it has a lot to do with the debate.. it is a comparison and not meaningless vitriol. Open has an issue.. the same issue that infects EvE and made a LOT of people myself included leave it. If given almost total free reign, as they are here and in EvE, certain elements who play the game will act like a cancer and disrupt the game play of others. When people are leaving a mode because of these actions and others who play the mode complain about "wasteland" of open and people leaving.. do you see those people who purposely disrupt others play of the game as healthy for the mode or as cancerous and need to be removed"
I see those people as a vital part of dynamic open play, so no i don't see it as "cancerous", cancer kills people and destroys lives, this is just a game
You do understand what a comparison is right? It is showing how things are similar not that they are actually the same..
you say cancer kills people and destroys lives which is true.. than say .. this is just a game..
Well those griefers that you feel are vital to the dynamics of open play.. others see them as .. Cancerous. It is just a game, but if some are destroying people's desire to play the game.. what happens to the game... it could die off.. hmm similar to what happens unfortunately with cancer.
As for Eve.. at no point have we tried to derail the discussion, we are briging up examples of what we are talking about and some of those examples are similar issues that have been dealt with in another games.
He claims he has been.
And even when I ignore someone I can still their posts in quotes.... what a waste of time that was
Seriously filter his posts, filter mine and line the conversation up - he is trying to get people banned and not even being shy about it.
Just /ignore and move on.
Put that saved time in to thinking about the benefits of removing Open Mode.
(and I am being genuine with this - the first time I said it (about 1600Hrs today) I was being facetious, but since about 1800Hrs I've actually meant it and am backing the idea properly now)
I will just leave these here now.
Yes I understand what a comparison is. I am saying it is an unfavorable and offensive one, and I reported it as such.
"you say cancer kills people and destroys lives which is true.. than say .. this is just a game.. "
This is just a game. A 35 pound PC game
"Well those griefers that you feel are vital to the dynamics of open play.. others see them as .. Cancerous. It is just a game, but if some are destroying people's desire to play the game.. what happens to the game... it could die off.. hmm similar to what happens unfortunately with cancer. "
It is nothing like cancer though is it? No one actually dies.
"As for Eve.. at no point have we tried to derail the discussion, we are briging up examples of what we are talking about and some of those examples are similar issues that have been dealt with in another games."
Exactly, they are other games. EVE is so different as to be incomparable. It is a point and click game. This is Elite Dangerous, I back FDEVS vision as it is. EVE online is its own thing.
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I completely understand your point of view. But it is, IMO, a "sacrifice" that must be done.
If you allow freely switching back and forth , how do you keep the PVP server balanced? It wouldn't be much different from right now, with the same problems.
A player farming in his shieldless tradeship in PVE / Solo, then switching to PVP / open in his maxed out combat ship... this is a balance issue.
But switching also kills the "community" on the PVP server. What I mean is that, realistically, since switching is allowed, 100% of your encounter in pvp would be against people that want to fight (because people that would be "friendly" are logically in solo / pve, doing their own thing).
If there is no reason to do PVE in the PVP server, then that server might as well be dead.
"Please go into more detail how my definition is 'invalid""- No need to, I gave you the official definition, and the one I was using, just to clarify
"OPen-PVE Explains that it is pve!"
Yes but I was talking about attaching a warning to Open Play a game mode that actually exists, not adding a tab with Open PvE, so again, you are talking about your own thing here. If you get the game mode, i agree! Put a note next to the game mode. It is not there to put a trigger on though...
And what I wrote FIT your definition so you claiming it to be invalid is plainly.. invalid..
But here..
"We are sorry, we know you bought the game to play your way, but we decided that we would rather force you to play by yourself, search to find people to play with, or join the only mode that allows you to freely play with others, but allows them to force you into their play style or loose everything you have and restart repeatedly with a starter sidewinder because someone else thought it was funny to repeatedly blow you up."
Is that the kind of "trigger warning" you want?
or simple Open-PVE Open-PVP.. quick easy. and informative.
Yes, I can - and indeed am.
How, exactly is 10% more for killing an NPC in open - balanced? As opposed to killing that same NPC in Solo / Group?
How is higher rewards for being in Open mode, yet in a single instance due to poor ping - more risky than Solo Mode?
Everyone, gets the same rewards for the same actions regardless of where they are currently.
That is the very definition of "balanced"
Yet we have this thread, Mk 3, of the same tripe. Again and again and again.
No open = no problem.
As Group mode has been ignored for 3 mega threads, they must be equal - so keep groups and remove open.
Game Fixed.
Cheers for the heads up
We need some sort of mailing list so like minded forum goers can all mass ignore problem posters.
"And what I wrote FIT your definition "
No, you proposed a PvE mode.
"Is that the kind of "trigger warning" you want?"
It sounds like it is the warning YOU want
I was thinking something more informative and respectful. No one forces you to do anything. Your "alternative" is adding an extra game mode, nothing to do with my definition of warnings 
We are, I just need to convince you the benefits of removing Open and we're back on the same page
I've just started thinking about it, like a doctor viewing a cancerous tumor - out comes the scalpel and bye bye toxic mass, in the bin you go.
These mega threads are proof that Open is that toxic mass - it needs to be cut out for the rest of the tissue to grow and be healthy.
As long as people feel constantly spout the vitriol about Open having so many problems, the toxic mass just spreads and grows.
How many people did not know about the Mobius Group, suffered an exploit at the hands of a cheater and quit the game because of it.
Healthy tissue, falling away as the toxic mass spreads and grows.
Paging Doctor Turk to the O.R.
How many did then? Seems that you are making things up.
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