Hackers and combat loggers, the demise of ED

[Sire]

You have much to learn.

Surely a lot but don't think as much as you do. OP said that he was killed in three seconds but he had time to notice that they were a wing of three, that one was a Phyton and another one was a Vulture and that he had at least time to deploy hardpoints. All that takes more than counting 1-2-3. Besides, how OP can assume to competently speak about hacking if he does not even know which was the third ship???
Couldn't it be a heavily armed Conda with PAor something similar?

 

[Snarfbuckle]

3 seconds???

1. First they ALL neeed to align their ships to yours and AIM.
2. Second they need to DEPLOY hardpoints (add a second)
3. Then they need to be within RANGE.

Impossible within 3 seconds.

 

[OamodSias]

I'm not sure what logging information FD store on their servers, but if you're concerned I'd recommend you log a ticket with their Cmdr names and ask FD to investigate possible hacking. Make no accusations, just ask them to check for you.

Also, stay out of my system!!! MINE! *grabs hold of Dvorsi*

 

[Firestarter]

The only hack I've heard about I'd the shield hack where it won't go below one ring.

If you'd been hit by a torpedo you'd know about it because there a specific warning when one is incoming.

You may have been hit by a volley of plasma weapons while you were still sorting yourself out and looking at the enemy ships. That would have been devastating.

 

[The Rifter]

If 3 seconds are true, tell fd.

 

[Aleksej]

Unfortunately no. I think without a video it's pointless to report to a player. I don't have any proof. But I like to know.

By my self I have some real problems with FDL on my all maxed out Conda. Even FDL mobs take abit time to take down. Pythons usually are way easier. So I was abit surprised what I even don't have a time to press any button Actualy not.. I press one button. I successfully deploy my hardpoints

No, it is not pointless to report a player if you do not have video. Support team is able to check the logs of what has happened and assess the events. Use this form to submit a ticket:
https://support.frontier.co.uk/open.php?topic=36

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

Surely a lot but don't think as much as you do. OP said that he was killed in three seconds but he had time to notice that they were a wing of three, that one was a Phyton and another one was a Vulture and that he had at least time to deploy hardpoints. All that takes more than counting 1-2-3. Besides, how OP can assume to competently speak about hacking if he does not even know which was the third ship???
Couldn't it be a heavily armed Conda with PAor something similar?

The internet is a wonderful thing.

 

[Hellhawk666]

Raise a ticket, and give them as much information as you can. FD takes anything like this seriously, and will investigate the logs, if possible. A video is great support, but it's worth doing even without.

 

[Gimmename]

Surely a lot but don't think as much as you do. OP said that he was killed in three seconds but he had time to notice that they were a wing of three, that one was a Phyton and another one was a Vulture and that he had at least time to deploy hardpoints.

I notice ships while interdiction. And I press deploy button as soon I hear BOOOM sound, what means I'm now in normal space And before hardpoints was actually deployed I was without a shields and next second I have cracks on my cockpit glass. And then insurance screen.

Anyway.. Thanks guys for advices. I think I will keep shadowplay recording last five minutes all the time for this moment. But I really want to believe what it's not hackers and there is some other explanations.

 

[Aleksej]

I don't think hacking could be aimed at insta-killing ships: there would be no need to wing in three nor fun for the hackers and it would be possible to do the same with a Sidey if armed with that suppa suppa pawa hacked weapon.
It's more likely that the third ship was another big combat ship, Phyton or even a Conda, and that they threw at you the power of about twenty hardpoints between medium, large and huge ones all toghether.

Surely a lot but don't think as much as you do. OP said that he was killed in three seconds but he had time to notice that they were a wing of three, that one was a Phyton and another one was a Vulture and that he had at least time to deploy hardpoints. All that takes more than counting 1-2-3. Besides, how OP can assume to competently speak about hacking if he does not even know which was the third ship???
Couldn't it be a heavily armed Conda with PAor something similar?

3 seconds???

1. First they ALL neeed to align their ships to yours and AIM.
2. Second they need to DEPLOY hardpoints (add a second)
3. Then they need to be within RANGE.

Impossible within 3 seconds.

Totally possible. We already had a report of a Cobra destroying a Python within a matter of seconds after the interdiction. It was 4-5 seconds from dropping out of SC to the destruction. There was not enough time for the radar even to show that the Cobra was shooting when the Python was destroyed.

The proper course of actions is to report these events to support and let FD to deal with it.

 

[goemon]

Totally possible. We already had a report of a Cobra destroying a Python within a matter of seconds

just out of interest & because i'd like to learn about this - how does a cobra gets enough shield damage per seconds on a pythons shields? sounds irrational from the maths i do. best case would be 2 medium fixed beamlasers and 2 small fixed beam lasers, hitting constantly - that would add up to 42 dps. now, a python has 343 MJ shield, even if fitting only a A5 shield (classical trading python...) shouldn't the cobra even in best case need 8-9 seconds? (besides that it can't fire 4 fixed beams for 8-9 secs...)

 

[Aleksej]

just out of interest & because i'd like to learn about this - how does a cobra gets enough shield damage per seconds on a pythons shields? sounds irrational from the maths i do. best case would be 2 medium fixed beamlasers and 2 small fixed beam lasers, hitting constantly - that would add up to 42 dps. now, a python has 343 MJ shield, even if fitting only a A5 shield (classical trading python...) shouldn't the cobra even in best case need 8-9 seconds? (besides that it can't fire 4 fixed beams for 8-9 secs...)

It is not possible within standard game mechanics, i.e. if the players are playing fair.

 

[goemon]

It is not possible within standard game mechanics, i.e. if the players are playing fair.

thanks for clarification ... i love the cobra anyways

 

[Commander Guathix]

Rise in hackers?

Now, when im not doing anything in class, I read the forums. But with that aside, I've noticed a slight, but noticible rise in people claiming to have encounter hackers. Now, although most were during the community goal, I thought that normal, since we are encountering people. But still, I'm noticing a slight rise in people claiming to have encountered some type of hacker.

Just me, or has anyone else noticed that?

 

[Gimmename]

Game becomes more and more popular, so this type of thing will happens. Still where is a hope what some day Frontier do something to protect game from hacking

 

[Commander Guathix]

Game becomes more and more popular, so this type of thing will happens. Still where is a hope what some day Frontier do something to protect game from hacking

true.
but what FD needs to do is be more active when it comes to reports, I'm not saying that they don't respond to reports, but still.

 

[Araviel]

this is a quite common scenario-
someone posts about hackers on a game forum, suddenly everyone sees hackers everywhere.
its called "mass hysteria"

 

[Temple604]

I have had quite a few people combat log on me during the recent CZ CG. Disappointed to see so many people resorting to this

 

[mossfoot]

this is a quite common scenario-
someone posts about hackers on a game forum, suddenly everyone sees hackers everywhere.
its called "mass hysteria"

It is something to be wary of - we need a kind of "hack-aware protocol" to let people recognize the signs of the real thing and not overreact to situations that are easily explained by other means.

 

[Sim Maker]

Game becomes more and more popular, so this type of thing will happens. Still where is a hope what some day Frontier do something to protect game from hacking

Game becomes more and more popular, you sure about that?
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Check out the STEAM Charts........
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http://steamcharts.com/top
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If you are looking for ED, it is waaaaaay down the list, and has fallen greatly since its high of 12,000+ steam players...........now averaging about 3,000 players........it is being beaten by Day Z, Arma 2, Empire Total War (Released 6 YEARS ago....).......ha...it is even being beaten by Euro Truck Simulator 2..........the irony.......
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As such, I suspect it is old timers are getting BORED of the game, and are hacking to spice it up again...(Don't forget, the average player age is 40-ish and the much maligned "X Box Kiddies" wont be able to hack like PC players....)..............most people who have purchased the game, seem to have gotten bored pretty quick and moved on to new things.........I myself have not fired up Elite since March...........still the same boring "mile wide and an inch deep" experience.......
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And how about "Sabotage"............I mean, what is to stop "fans" or even "interested others" from trying to wreck the game...........I mean, what if some SC fanboys want to wreck ED? Or if some Eve players or "others" want to wreck it? They are free to do so........FD left the door wide open to hackers........and it wont get any better.
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If this game makes it through the full 10 year dev phase, I will eat a sock........cuz you can bet, that even though they sold 800,00 units this year....they sure as hell wont be selling 800,000 Horizon expansions.........maybe, AND BEING GENEROUS, 1/4 of current owners will get the next "season"..........

ED is in trouble........People on here mock the SC dev phase.......how their game is never going to be released, and maybe that is true..............but lets look at the FD Dev phase.........they sent out a game that was not ready for release.......they have had their big chunk of sales now..........and the people who bought the game got bored, and wil not be heading back for the expansions.....so laugh at SC all you want.....but putting uncooked and bland food on the plate, is not a recipe for success either.......