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Not so many though, I would expect. The anonymity and freedom from immediate physical consequences would seem to embolden people online though....
I think it has more to do with not seeing the other player and as a result not seeing the effect of the behavior.
I've only read about people killing other people at sag A 3 times, one was unintentional, and 2 were "griefing". It doesn't happen often.
However, in those cases I'd think those are more crimes of opportunity rather than heavily planned. It would be an Explorer with a exploration/combat fit who made a spur of the moment decision.
I flew to sothis last night and even that took massive effort. I wanted to stop playing so many times. That was only an hour of travel time. I couldn't imagine someone doing it for 8-10 hours just to grief players who may not even be there.
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Whether it has to do with empathy for the other(s) in the interaction (or lack thereof) or lack of real consequences - or both to some extent - is unknown.
I can.
You'd be amazed at the lengths people will go to for the sole purpose of upsetting others.
Not just in games either. And lets face it, sitting at a desk for a few hours a night is not a hardship.
Oh and one of them admits to flying out to Sag A with the sole purpose of killing people with a crew of others - something about "We will be shutting down this Bucky race bulls*** once and for all"
Nothing to do with opportunity and everything to do with being horrible people.
Case in point, another quote from the same CMDR;
"They were never meant to put up a fight and that was the whole point. Traders are no longer easy targets as they either have become to savvy and only play solo or combat log. It took the fun away. A explorer in the deep black though, who doesn't even expect to be interdicted or attacked is exactly why i picked them. Like shooting fish in a barrel"
And that is a big reason why I cannot PVP..
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These are not PVPers they are jerks who abuse PVP to get their rocks off by going after those they can Dominate. It is a power trip nothing else. And one where they really need to get their cords jerked hard and unplugged.
Online gives anonymity and a sense of power.. people don't know who you are.. you can get away with anything. And by observing the actions of those people you can see how they truly are..
Only if folks understood they are not that anonymous on a peer to peer network, just like the one Elite uses.
But I'll not get in to that, as it steps in to a few legal grey areas.
The anonymity and freedom from immediate physical consequences would seem to embolden people online though....
True, even though it has the reverse effect on me.
Yes - people do tend to assume a lot about online anonymity.
At a superficial level it's anonymous - but not if you start digging around.
And if you're talking about the capabilities of the security services even less so.
Lost count of the times you see some "expert leet hacker" doing something they shouldn't only to see a picture of them being frogmarched out the house some months or years later..
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That's usually because their OPSEC is as bad as their PERSEC and they have no idea what HUMINT is. It's a fun subject.
It most certainly was not spur of the moment explorer going postal. It was a deliberately planned trip in a combat ship with the express purpose of killing someone once they got to Sagittarius A*.
That's usually because their OPSEC is as bad as their PERSEC and they have no idea what HUMINT is. It's a fun subject.
That's a very good and official sounding way of summing it up!
That's a very good and official sounding way of summing it up!
Yeah, sorry - mid report writing.
My use of the word victim was in response to its use in the post I was replying to. I quite agree, it's a game...
That said, a player who has non consensual PvP imposed upon them might very well feel as though they were a victim. And in that sense my statement stands, not many people will want to 'play the victim', the one who gets robbed, who dies at the hands of others (and I include NPCs in that) for ever.As to the game pressuring people to act against their natures, I don't believe it does, simply because the modes exist. I would have no problem dropping into Solo and never clicking Group again, and I haven't played Open since the very early days of the game. I'm simply not interested in spending my play time with other people that I don't know. I'm not scared, I have a lot of ships, a lot of credits, could re-buy them many, many times over, but I have no intention of wasting my time in this (or any other) game.
I have (fairly loose) goals in the game, and I wish to pursue those goals at my own pace, and while I am not yet as fulfilled as I might be with the PvE side of things (I think the missions and some of the game mechanics are sorely lacking, but am hopeful this will change over time), I have no desire whatsoever to interact with others unless it's on my terms. Nor do I have any desire to impose myself on others in the game, I'm actually quite happy blazing my own trail.
I agree, people can either play the game, or not play the game. As to whether FD have some agenda to induce everybody into Open I have no idea, and I can only speak for myself, but if they do it won't work.
I suspect it's a bit more straight forward than that anyway, I would imagine that they are simply trying to appeal to as wide a player base as they can. The very fact that they are 'tagging' players as PvP targets shows how much it is a PvE game at heart, surely in a pure PvP environment the player tags themselves by being wanted, by joining a particular power or group (or guild if they were supported, but tellingly they are not), they don't need the help of the developer, and essentially it seems that all FD are doing is putting a label on somebody who has met these criteria. I'd be very surprised if clean players were being tagged as mission targets, those traders, civilians and authority targets will probably forever be NPCs.Will what they are doing kill Open? No, I doubt it, as I have said before I believe they'd be more likely to kill Open (PvP) by implementing a strong crime / punishment system with regards to murder. Perhaps they even realize that many people who play PvP games seem to do so to 'kill' other players, so they are trying to create a framework where that is acceptable. I really have no idea, I'm not a hardcore computer gamer, but I do agree with some of the other posters who have pointed out that the anonymity of the Internet can sometimes cause / enable otherwise meek and gentle people to express their hidden dark side.
I'm a newbie. Play Solo or Open?
I hear so much about combat logging and griefing in the game that it seems like you can't fart without somebody trying to interdict you or shove their brightly colored pulse laser up my tight, little, startwinder behind.
I wanna enjoy the game but if I keep getting killed right out of the station then should I just play solo?
I just finished the tutorials. I don't wanna hate the game because I'm so new I suck at everything and people keeps of killing the new guy out the door.
anybody?
I hear so much about combat logging and griefing in the game that it seems like you can't fart without somebody trying to interdict you or shove their brightly colored pulse laser up my tight, little, startwinder behind.
I wanna enjoy the game but if I keep getting killed right out of the station then should I just play solo?
I just finished the tutorials. I don't wanna hate the game because I'm so new I suck at everything and people keeps of killing the new guy out the door.
anybody?
In one month of me playing in Open I died to another CMDR exactly once. I did the Hutton Mug CG and do other stuff likg RES ratting, missioning etc in open.
If someone is PvPer then really if they don't want to encounter cheaters is what? Certainly not Solo mode, right?
I would say go Open unless you really really want to play your own game and you cant stand some unconsensual PvP.
If someone is PvPer then really if they don't want to encounter cheaters is what? Certainly not Solo mode, right?
I would say go Open unless you really really want to play your own game and you cant stand some unconsensual PvP.
Depends on why you signed up I guess. You seem curious, so I would suggest trying Open as soon as you feel confident enough and get a feel for it. May as well while it's cheap to rebuy
Once you get into the bigger ships it becomes more of a "business decision".. lol
The timer has officially started as to when this gets merged into the "Solo vs Open" thread..
I stand corrected. 9 hours of boredom isn't that long but considering how short lived and infrequent the joy is, it doesn't seem worth it to me. I like piracy but I would have trouble finding the strength to travel 9 hours to do it.
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This is a tricky one to answer. Yes, there are those who go looking for new players just to shoot them (saying they are 'educating' them!), but there are also those who look out for (and then look after) the new players. If you play in Solo you can still get attacked by NPCs. If you play in Open you will encounter other players. I apologise that this not only does not answer your question, it complicates it.
Fly safe, whichever way you choose, and I may see you out amongst the stars.
Fly safe, whichever way you choose, and I may see you out amongst the stars.
Spend that time in your free Sidey to learn the reality of being in open, it gives you chance learn the tactics needed to survive and avoid those situations. It can be harsh out there but don't take it personally. Not every CMDR will be out to cause grief to you, some you will learn from and can guide you in the right directions. The problem with starting in solo is that it becomes too comfortable and moving back to open you will still face those fears.
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