Federal assault will it make FDL and Clipper Obsolete ?

[Alexander the Grape]

The FAS can't possibly replace neither the Vulture, the Clipper or the FdL.

Its too different from any of these ships to replace them.

It will provide an welcome and nice alternative, with different combination of advantages and disadvantages than other stated ships.

Amen to that. Personally I really commend Frontier's ship design on this one. It fills a niche I didn't know existed, without being so powerful it dominates everything.

It is a perfect clipper counterpart for the feds, not because it's the same but because they are both specialist, interesting, powerful ships with flaws that have to be overcome.

I feel like this will be my new favourite ship

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

… It fills a niche I didn't know existed, without being so powerful it dominates everything.
…

What niche does the FAS fill? I would like to use it, but I'm not sure what would be the best usage for that ship. Hadn't much time to test on the stress test "server". Any ideas how to optimize its use is appreciated.

 

[PotatoOverdose]

Actually been playing around with the FAS a bit more and came up with this:
http://coriolis.io/outfit/federal_assault_ship/06A6A5A5D6A4D4C1e1e272704040404p25i35---.AwRhrSqiSA==.Aw18cQ==


406 m/s (as fast as an FdL)
490.8 MJ shielding (same ballpark as Vulture and Clipper shields)
5 A shield Cell
Turns and maneuvers like a Vulture
16.97 LY jump Range
Mass locks Factor of 14 (Clipper and FdL have 12, Python has 17)
2 Large, 2 medium hardpoints with excellent convergence
4 utility internals left over - can keep spare offline shield cells here.


So, IF you can get prismatic shields on it, I'd say it's a straight upgrade over the Vulture, and pretty nice relative to the FdL. With it's speed and maneuverability, the 490 MJ of shielding is plenty - and in the long run, all those internals mean you have more overall shields than an FdL due to cells.


Does it replace the clipper? No. The clipper is still much faster and has better internals.

Does it replace the FdL? Maybe. It has much better maneverabillity, much better jump range, better mass lock, more efficient hardpoints, more and better internals (meaning more shield cells), fewer power management issues (it easily fits prismatic shields with power to spare). If you're willing to make the trade of raw shield capacity for shield cells, than the FAS wins in every way IMO.

 

[Julio Montega]

Once FD decides to introduce more weapon-types and
have them be available to large hardpoints,
you will have a fast, hard to kill stealth FAS.

Class 3 MCs? Yes plz.
Silent Running On.

 

[h347h]

Once FD decides to introduce more weapon-types and
have them be available to large hardpoints,
you will have a fast, hard to kill stealth FAS.

Class 3 MCs? Yes plz.
Silent Running On.

You are aware that the sound changes make the MC a dead give away to location in 1.4 right? They also have tracers, which like in real life can be used to trace back and forth.


I don't see the FDL being obsolete. It now just has competition. Funny thing when ships start to overlap people start to gripe even though there are plenty of people who say diversity is a good thing.

 

[Notwyn]

I see the FAS as my new "Missions" ship. It packs a good punch, tank it up a bit for defence and holds a few tons of cargo. My Vulture is still going to be the go to ship for CZ's and Res sites.

 

[Teklow82]

Both new fed ships are a joke. Starved for power. AND the term glass tanks comes to mind.

Another reason why I think people should not get hopes up over the Fed corvette, the panther clipper. And the cutter... every single ship Devs have put out sense release fall short majorly. I recommend a Python or Conda and or a FDL

 

[HeavyGroovez]

As soon as I flew it in Beta I started saving money in the main game to purchase one, I was hooked immediately.

I also died my hair blue and pledged to Space Khaleesi because if there is one ship in the game that needs those green shields its the FAS.

Not forgetting the Advanced Plassie tucked away ready for its arrival in my hangar on tuesday.

But I can guarantee if it kicks off somewhere the keys to the FdL will be the first ones off the rack in the crewroom...

 

[anikaiful]

Wasn't terribly thrilled about FAS in the beta - like flying a brick. But then again, I prefer ships which are swift to handle, so there's that bias.

 

[HeavyGroovez]

Wasn't terribly thrilled about FAS in the beta - like flying a brick.

Whilst it's thrusters are indeed a bit crap its on axis rotational performance is outstanding.

And its hard not to grin like a maniac blasting around at 406 in that awesome cockpit knowing that you won't end up splattered all over the nearest roid or spaceport if you are *ahem* a few beers over the federal limit. Not that I ever roid slammed my Dropship or bounced it off a Coriolis you understand. Purely hypothetical.

 

[PotatoOverdose]

I don't see where you're coming from with the 'turns like a Vulture' thing. Not with an agility rating of 6. That's FDL grade right there. If it does have Vulture-like turning then it doesn't have much side-thrust, which would make it a lot like the Clipper, only slower.

I've flown it in beta - it turns on a dime. Saying that it turns like an FdL - Nothing could be further from the truth. The FdL used to be my ship of choice, and I can say with confidence that it handles like a pig by comparison. I love the vulture, and the FAS turns like a vulture.

I'll put it this way: The FAS, at any speed, with any pip allocation, will turn faster than any FdL configuration, with or without boost.

 

[Soliluna]

Wasn't terribly thrilled about FAS in the beta - like flying a brick. But then again, I prefer ships which are swift to handle, so there's that bias.

I like the idea of flying a brick! Something like this... RAMMING SPEED!

[video=youtube;WXh1tW16V-8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXh1tW16V-8[/video]

 

[Arrichion]

I don't see where you're coming from with the 'turns like a Vulture' thing. Not with an agility rating of 6. That's FDL grade right there. If it does have Vulture-like turning then it doesn't have much side-thrust, which would make it a lot like the Clipper, only slower.

"Agility rating" is either meaningless or describing some feature that we can't perceive as commanders. For instance, the Clipper has an agility rating of 2 while the Python has a rating of 6, yet the Clipper is more maneuverable in every way. The FAS may have a rating of 6, but when you look at actual turn rates it is comparable to the Vulture.

 

[h347h]

"Agility rating" is either meaningless or describing some feature that we can't perceive as commanders. For instance, the Clipper has an agility rating of 2 while the Python has a rating of 6, yet the Clipper is more maneuverable in every way. The FAS may have a rating of 6, but when you look at actual turn rates it is comparable to the Vulture.

Pretty much this. A great example is the Anaconda and the Python. The Anaconda has almost twice the pitch and nearly twice as much yaw as a Python while nearly have as much roll. The Anaconda also suffers the least from being out of the "blue" of any ship in the game. Which makes it one of the best boost+FAOFF ships in the game. Same goes for the FAS when you have it decked out. It changed my mind about owning one. I will still own a Vulture and Python but now there is most defiantly a gap filler between the two ships.

 

[Quineloe]

I will be ignoring Shields on my FAS, just stock up the hull. It will be excellent for 1 and only 1 fight before limping back to base for repairs. Its a different sort of combat vessel

If you don't have shields, I'll just go 4 pip sys 2 pip eng, spam SCB and ram you over and over. I don't even need weapons that way, so no overheating issues either.

The FAS also carries 80t max when shielded. That's less than the Asp, which costs a fraction of the FAS.

The big advantage of the FAS is that it's considerably cheaper to outfit than any other ship with more than just two large hardpoints because it doesn't have a single C7 outfitting demanding 51 million credits.

 

[Midnight Sun]

I'm excited about this ship. I've tried things bigger than a Vulture and they're no fun to actually fly around and shoot things with (and flying backwards doesn't count, looking at you Mr Fer de Lance). If the FAS handles like a Vulture then I may finally have an upgrade.

 

[Sniper Wong]

Anyone tried the new FDL with A6 PP? Feels more like a heavy Gunship now, offsetting the need for maneuverability.

 

[d8veh]

Since 1.5, the FDL is now the king of combat. It handles power and heat much better, and it has speed. It's so much better than it was before. You must try it. It takes a little more skill to fly and get in position, but that adds to the enjoyment. The FAS made me into a lazy pilot - just point and shoot.

 

[Dommarraa]

If you can make use of the huge, fdl does rule. If you are just average like me, or lazy like me, then fas is still the ship.