I think you'll find that he copied it from CR and SC. :O
Is this a rip off? Or is this Frontier first encounters all over again?
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I think you'll find that he copied it from CR and SC. :O
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I best crank up my pledge to those guys if they're now inventing words as well as games!
Go outside right now!
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Go outside right now!
If one posts from a laptop in the woods the content is far more valid.
Out of interest, did FD ever respond to the points raised here in? I asked them outright elsewhere and they summarily ignored me. Even though responding to another post directly below me!
The graphics are good outside but the storyline sucks.
I know... I'm involved in the DDF. And let me tell you some people take it far too seriously & need to go outside.
I do not only choose to post about irrelevancies - I just appreciate that everything I post is ultimately irrelevant, and so should you. Your choice though.
TJ started a thread in the alpha forum which is updated whenever Michael or a dev of interest posts something of interest. So yeah... those who were calling for more / better communication have kinda got what they wanted.
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TJ started a thread in the alpha forum which is updated whenever Michael or a dev of interest posts something of interest. So yeah... those who were calling for more / better communication have kinda got what they wanted.
That thread however, belongs in the PBF. Because, not all backers are alpha. And Backers are the ones wanting comms. I recently heard though, possibly in this thread, that not even all backers are allowed into the PBF, which seems counter-intuitive.
I backed to Founder, so still would like to see what's happening, I stopped short of Alpha as I simply don't have time to truly be a useful test case, and don't really want to sully my initial experience with the game through early code (I appreciate everyone is different). So alpha forum only updates are useless to me and people like me.
I shall mention this to TJ as it's clearly an error they've not considered.
Not all backers have access to the PBF, as it costs £75 for access and AFAIK non-KS backers (which constitutes nearly half of the backers these days) don't get it.
It really belongs in the Updates forum.
I know... I'm involved in the DDF. And let me tell you some people take it far too seriously & need to go outside.
I do not only choose to post about irrelevancies - I just appreciate that everything I post is ultimately irrelevant, and so should you. Your choice though.
life itself is ultimately irrelevant, but at the human scale there are lots of forums that have an impact on real life, first one i could think of would be the dog re-homing forum my mum uses. saving a dof from being put down and placing with a family will effect both the lives of the people and the dog.
That's without going into the more serious stuff like depression or cancer sufferers support forums.
Just because you only choose to post on a game forum does not make ALL forums seperate from real life.
No, they didn't.
The prevalence of off-topic immature trolls doesn't help. Many of us have genuine questions to which FD should respond and be accountable.
I think immaturity may also be defined as people who are upset about lack of communication thinking that starting a thread on a forum will increase that communication rather than create derision from the people who understand that frontier will communicate what they want to, when they have something worth saying.
Maybe it's naivety? I dunno, lots of you guys seem to think because you backed a project you are entitled to order the company to tell you things when YOU think they should?
You didn't pay for the right to be in charge, you gave your money willingly to help the company create the game, knowing full well that almost all game deadlines slip and knowing that the company would be busy AND knowing that DB has wanted to make this game for many years and seems fairly obsessive about it.
Strikes me that if you had any concept of actual life you'd see that all complaining is likely to do is create the opposite of what you want to achieve!
If it was me I'd be hunting down the worst offenders and sending them their money back and telling them to sod off. quite often dump annoying and stupid clients from my business and i'm still doing just fine, books fuller than i can cope with of people who are pleasant to deal with!
It's not like you can go anywhere else to get this product, your stuck with what they choose to provide if you really want it.
Maybe it's naivety? I dunno, lots of you guys seem to think because you backed a project you are entitled to order the company to tell you things when YOU think they should?
You didn't pay for the right to be in charge, you gave your money willingly to help the company create the game, knowing full well that almost all game deadlines slip and knowing that the company would be busy AND knowing that DB has wanted to make this game for many years and seems fairly obsessive about it.
Strikes me that if you had any concept of actual life you'd see that all complaining is likely to do is create the opposite of what you want to achieve!
If it was me I'd be hunting down the worst offenders and sending them their money back and telling them to sod off. quite often dump annoying and stupid clients from my business and i'm still doing just fine, books fuller than i can cope with of people who are pleasant to deal with!
It's not like you can go anywhere else to get this product, your stuck with what they choose to provide if you really want it.
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Maybe starting another thread to put these questions to Frontier (without quite such a contentious title) would be a start.
Better yet, PM Mark Boss.
See this
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2013400/6-kickstarter-nightmares-and-how-to-prevent-them.html?page=2
Point five - you're running late (like ED is off there original estimate). ".. the best thing you can do is to simply let people know."
After March a lot of people are going to get increasingly frustrated. The output of latest news and updates from Frontier ought to be going up and up and up. However they are going more quiet which is the worst thing a project leader can do.
One Kickstarter backer says, "Share the struggle, ask for advice, and an investor may be understanding. Go dark, and people will believe the worst."
So Frontier: SPEAK TO US -
We want NEWSLETTERS EVERY WEEK
Then and EVERY FOUR DAYS after July when it still won't be ready.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2013400/6-kickstarter-nightmares-and-how-to-prevent-them.html?page=2
Point five - you're running late (like ED is off there original estimate). ".. the best thing you can do is to simply let people know."
After March a lot of people are going to get increasingly frustrated. The output of latest news and updates from Frontier ought to be going up and up and up. However they are going more quiet which is the worst thing a project leader can do.
One Kickstarter backer says, "Share the struggle, ask for advice, and an investor may be understanding. Go dark, and people will believe the worst."
So Frontier: SPEAK TO US -
We want NEWSLETTERS EVERY WEEK
Then and EVERY FOUR DAYS after July when it still won't be ready.
You are no doubt aware that the March date on the KS page is an estimate. But you are right, we could never have too much information. But at the same time I am aware that pulling together enough relevant information that is ready for public consumption is probably time consuming. You might need to bother other people in the team to get them to explain what they have been working on that week. And then format all of that information into a newsletter.
I'm not suggesting that they have the game designers and programmers do this stuff but I would rather the folks there concentrate on making the game, fixing bugs etc. and push out a newsletter as and when they can, time permitting. Setting themselves a deadline to get one out every week will would probably mean that each newsletter published may end up being weaker content wise than what we have been receiving up till now.
I'm not suggesting that they have the game designers and programmers do this stuff but I would rather the folks there concentrate on making the game, fixing bugs etc. and push out a newsletter as and when they can, time permitting. Setting themselves a deadline to get one out every week will would probably mean that each newsletter published may end up being weaker content wise than what we have been receiving up till now.
No, just sticking to the terms of the KS itself would suffice. There is sufficient content in this thread to make this opinion valid.
However, I agree that the title of the thread is less than stellar.
And do you note how I am able to say all this without being personally offensive, "popuptoaster"?
I always said the dates looked ambitious. But this doesn't preclude them from revising dates as/when new factors become known.
I don't think they need go so far as a full-blown newsletter. Just some bullet-points from their weekly progress meetings would suffice.
Personally I find watching youtube videos etc of Alpha builds tells me far more about the game and its progress than newsletters. We're in the second stage of Alpha with two more stages to come before Beta.
As for dates Frontier have clearly shared all that they are prepared to. They honestly can't predict in advance how long the different stages are going to take. They have been very clear that each stage will take as long as is necessary to produce a quality product.
It's a pity they were over optimistic (maybe a bit naïve?) in their KS estimates, although I was impressed they started Alpha to plan in December.
Bottom line, all £20+ KS backers will get a game this year. From Alpha builds so far, and the approach Frontier are taking, we can be very confident that it will be at least a very good game, quite possibly an exceptional one. Anything more about dates is frankly guesswork at this point and in my opinion not worth wasting more time over.
My plan is to enjoy watching and playing the game as it emerges.
As for dates Frontier have clearly shared all that they are prepared to. They honestly can't predict in advance how long the different stages are going to take. They have been very clear that each stage will take as long as is necessary to produce a quality product.
It's a pity they were over optimistic (maybe a bit naïve?) in their KS estimates, although I was impressed they started Alpha to plan in December.
Bottom line, all £20+ KS backers will get a game this year. From Alpha builds so far, and the approach Frontier are taking, we can be very confident that it will be at least a very good game, quite possibly an exceptional one. Anything more about dates is frankly guesswork at this point and in my opinion not worth wasting more time over.
My plan is to enjoy watching and playing the game as it emerges.
I made the joke earlier about overfundng being the reason for delivering late. Personally I don't think they are late. They received additional funding, and if you put that funding into slowly growing structured development, what happens is that quality and development time rises. I'm convinced that it is a good thing they are not releasing in march. I'm also convinced that they are not "meandering" or suffering from dangerous feature creep. The best development plan ends with "when it's done". As long as they actually do plan. It's the Blizzard development model, and even though they have lost it since merging it's the only development model I want for Elite 4.
Please start a new thread with suggestion for more development updates, maybe a poll indicating how much and what info's you want. I want more info too but I'm not a backer and don't even get the newsletter. The threads mixed discussion and provocative title makes any productive discussion impossible. But dev info and stuff like eye candy (why haven't we seen more ship designs?) is a very valid point.
And BTW another thought crossed my mind when the 2 new secret projects where announced, where they talked about FD track record for "timely development" etc. It might have been political reasons to not mention any "perceived delay for ED" in order to secure a good publisher deal for that. Like I said, I'm glad they extended the development, that's really what stretch goals mean in practice.
Please start a new thread with suggestion for more development updates, maybe a poll indicating how much and what info's you want. I want more info too but I'm not a backer and don't even get the newsletter. The threads mixed discussion and provocative title makes any productive discussion impossible. But dev info and stuff like eye candy (why haven't we seen more ship designs?) is a very valid point.
And BTW another thought crossed my mind when the 2 new secret projects where announced, where they talked about FD track record for "timely development" etc. It might have been political reasons to not mention any "perceived delay for ED" in order to secure a good publisher deal for that. Like I said, I'm glad they extended the development, that's really what stretch goals mean in practice.
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