UA Mystery Thread 3: The Canonn

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CMDR Corlas

CMDR Corlas
b_laiskiainen said:
You're talking about Pleione. The planet Pleione 4d doesn't exist in ED.
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Woah, woah, there's a missing planet? One that is specifically related to Thargoids? In the Pleiades?

That seems potentially pretty huge, especially considering that an in-game entity has enough control over our ship computers to lock systems and whole regions out as destinations. Blacking out a planet seems totally doable.

Now I want to check in-game Pleiades against a real-world map, just to make sure Merope is in fact Merope

If that checks out, might it be worth it to ignore our scanners and parallax-watch for rogue planets?
 

Kintch

Kintch
So, having scoured this thread for a while now, in all it's seven-and-a-half-thousand posts glory, a certain thing has started to formulate in my head... I figured I should share it here, although you might wanna keep your tinfoil hats at the ready for this one.

So...

[tinfoil hat firmly on]

So in recent events a group calling themselves Emperor's Dawn emerged. We all know what they did (or they claim they did) and we're getting to know them better and better through their actions and other publicly available material on their (wrong)doings. But here's the thing...

In recent weeks, The Imperial Internal Security Service issued a call for exploration data in order to scout for possible locations of their bases. But why would they need data from systems that are way outside of the human space, at all? Why, indeed? Even this GalNet update encourages us to ask that question.

Now you are beginning to see (and if you're not, OPEN YOUR EYES!) why lines between recent UA findings and this particular group are beginning to form in my mind. As any sane person would do I decided to research this further; based on the recent change in UA behaviour, with it pointing towards a star in Pleiades cluster I begun to investigate a potential link between that and Emperor's Dawn. And so, instead allievating my rising suspicions I discovered this --
  • Eos, which was the greek goddess of Dawn was known for abducting Orion, who, in turn, had a thing for Pleiades, specifically Merope...
  • In old-Earth times the appearance of Pleiades at dawn would signal "beginning of seafaring season", and, in some cultures, beginning of a new orbit cycle around Sol

Furthermore, and forgive me for a second...

[applies tinfoil to his entire head]

  • A writer, by the name of Barbara Marciniak, from old-Earth, around 20th/21st Century, wrote a treatise entitled "Bringers of Dawn", that talks about alien beings originating from that star cluster.

So, there you have it! Couple that with the fact that leaders of the two most prominent human factions have been both removed in a space of couple months...:

One of them is "lost" in a hyperdrive-malfunction event! Seriously? What kind of hyperdrive malfunctions these days?! And now there's some evidence that a man who could've had insight into a similar event, (a Vice President no less!) has been murdered and all the Federal head of state is doing is promising "he will look into it"! Oh and let's not forget the official federal-sponsored research into UAs gets shut-down faster than you can say "men in black". Golly!

All that, while on the other side of the fence the leader of a rival galactic faction gets assassinated in broad daylight... and someone we haven't even heard of before last year's December, is poised to take his place (AND she is like the only one in this mess that has NO apparent ties to these "Dawners"...).

So yeah, throw in this "Emperor's Dawn" in this mix and you should start see dots forming a not-so-pretty picture, man! And it's all done right in front of us, every day almost, on the front pages of every news feed!


Anyway, what I'm trying accomplish here is to urge the Cannon and any other researchers of the Unknown to not overlook any opportunities to connect The Dawn with these artefacts -- like for example the locations of those newly found bases of theirs. FOLLOW THE DAWN, MAN!

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[wraps off the tinfoil]

Uuuugh... alright, so I might've been spending a bit too much time reading this topic...

And, in hindsight, it might've been not the best of ideas to smear the inside of this foil with Motrona Experience Jelly, either. Guh...

Anyways, back to lurking. Good luck out there in the black, Commanders!
 
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Eoran

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CMDR Corlas said:
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If that checks out, might it be worth it to ignore our scanners and parallax-watch for rogue planets?
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Hah, you know I've become so used to the ADS I must admit I stopped looking for planets via parallax, but you're totally right. I'm sure they said something about things being there and not being detectable with regular scanners in 1.4, so it's probably worth looking.

During beta, somewhere near the new UA hot-zone, I actually followed a medical convoy out to a undetected planet (I think Ratking15 also found something like this near Soontil), it didn't actually resolve to a full planet in SC, but you could just about make out a fuzzy white blob/dot during the approach.

I'm 90% sure I had already ADS pinged the whole system when I arrived, so it wasn't part of the main system bodies, and probably just there for the convoy when they dropped out of SC.

When I got there (i.e. dropped into the convoy's wake instance) it looked like this:

rogue_planet_convoy.jpg

Anyway, could be worth seeing if we can find a hidden system body like this, but I wonder if it might have shown up already with operation scour going on.

Maybe the ring around Merope 4 is where 4A used to be..? *dramatic pause*
 
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Dommarraa

Dommarraa
Once I have finished some minor tasks, I will be returning to Merope for more scouring (I had posted lots of scour tests before the event, and they were done again, but hey ho). Looking for objects to appear on nav, following any non hostile ss and generally poking my nose into anything I find is the plan.

Not expecting much. I suspect horizons is required
 
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b_laiskiainen

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Dommarraa said:
Once I have finished some minor tasks, I will be returning to Merope for more scouring (I had posted lots of scour tests before the event, and they were done again, but hey ho). Looking for objects to appear on nav, following any non hostile ss and generally poking my nose into anything I find is the plan.

Not expecting much. I suspect horizons is required
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Do remember there might be persistent SS or salvageable wreckage.
 

CMDR Corlas

CMDR Corlas
Eoran said:
Hah, you know I've become so used to the ADS I must admit I stopped looking for planets via parallax, but you're totally right. I'm sure they said something about things being there and not being detectable with regular scanners in 1.4, so it's probably worth looking.

During beta, somewhere near the new UA hot-zone, I actually followed a medical convoy out to a undetected planet (I think Ratking15 also found something like this near Soontil), it didn't actually resolve to a full planet in SC, but you could just about make out a fuzzy white blob/dot during the approach.

I'm 90% sure I had already ADS pinged the whole system when I arrived, so it wasn't part of the main system bodies, and probably just there for the convoy when they dropped out of SC.

When I got there (i.e. dropped into the convoy's wake instance) it looked like this:

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Anyway, could be worth seeing if we can find a hidden system body like this, but I wonder if it might have shown up already with operation scour going on.

Maybe the ring around Merope 4 is where 4A used to be..? *dramatic pause*
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That's great! Frontier did say, back in 1.3, they they were surprised we'd not uncovered it yet, right? Well, the ship imaging, awesome discovery as it is, couldn't have been this, but a secret planet totally could have been what they were surprised we didn't find.
 

Nicholas Powell

Nicholas Powell
Dommarraa said:
Once I have finished some minor tasks, I will be returning to Merope for more scouring (I had posted lots of scour tests before the event, and they were done again, but hey ho). Looking for objects to appear on nav, following any non hostile ss and generally poking my nose into anything I find is the plan.
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Top stuff. Did note your previous scouring in Merope (Thursday?) and shall be lobbing that into some sort of compiled run-down later.
 

CMDR Corlas

CMDR Corlas
Ok, so here's the Pleiades, according to NASA:
M45map.jpg
In-game, I opened the galaxy map, went to Sol centered Sol on the Pleiades, and searched for Merope, which flew me there in a straight line. I think this is the best way to approximate the view of the Pleiades from a Sol based telescope.

I manually added the positions of Electra and Taygeta, because they are too far out to show on the map.
pleiades.jpg
Merope seems slight off from where I would expect her, but nothing too alarming. I have no idea what is up with Electra and Taygeta though, and I make no claims as to if it even means anything. But for what it's worth, those are my findings so far.

Edit: Crap, I have no idea how to make spoiler tags so I don't mess up the thread. Looking into it.

Edit 2: Ok, that should have been obvious.
 
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Cmdr Delmonte[VR]

Cmdr Delmonte[VR]
Lapsed Pacifist reporting in. Nabbed a UA and have been out at Asterope and Merope looking for my dummy I may have spat out just a little bit yesterday...... Cmd Outspan has dished out some attitude re-adjustment and we have been out Scouring. .. nothing to report other than we hit Merope head on until we auto dropped out. Then dropped UA as close as possible. ...and left !!
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Thank you to Nicholas aboard the Bifrost seemes we may be slapping some paint on one of the Delmonte fleet ships.
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Edd Jordan

Edd Jordan
Hi been watching for a while great work cracking the first bit! its been a massive effort well done to all on this thread especial the key players.
as the pleiades (messier 45) has been almost filled with commanders. maybe we could try looking in another place. im sure that once fd start there computers tomorrow morning things may change and maybe the UA may... Well im sure i don't know. but if there is no change what about the wow signal or has this already been looked at chi sagittari (HIP 95486) ????
 

CMDR Corlas

CMDR Corlas
I'm currently in Pleione checking out the belt clusters that are presumably the remains of Pleione 4. Admittedly, I've not been into too many clusters, probably only a dozen or so, but I'm used to seeing 4-5 objects. A Belt, Cluster 8 here has 12 objects. Quite dense, it seems.

I'm not familiar with previous Elites, but does the designation Pleione 4d imply it was the 4th moon of the 4th planet? Assuming these clusters are planetary remains, do we know of anything in the Elite universe powerful enough to destroy a planet? Or move one, causing, say its moons to collide and produce the debris field we see?

The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and what would have been 5th planets here are all binary planets. Is it possible that Pleione 4 was as well, one of them was removed somehow, causing the other to be launched, like a from a slingshot, out of its normal orbit?

Wild speculation here, but if we know the rough date of when we last saw Pleione 4d in-game, we could use the orbital period of the current belt cluster (574.1D), and its distance to its star (914Ls) to calculate how far out the theoretical rogue planet might be right now, were it to have been slingshotted out by the sudden removal of its sister or parent planet.
 
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b_laiskiainen

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CMDR Corlas said:
I'm currently in Pleione checking out the belt clusters that are presumably the remains of Pleione 4. Admittedly, I've not been into too many clusters, probably only a dozen or so, but I'm used to seeing 4-5 objects. A Belt, Cluster 8 here has 12 objects. Quite dense, it seems.

I'm not familiar with previous Elites, but does the designation Pleione 4d imply it was the 4th moon of the 4th planet? Assuming these clusters are planetary remains, do we know of anything in the Elite universe powerful enough to destroy a planet? Or move one, causing, say its moons to collide and produce the debris field we see?

The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and what would have been 5th planets here are all binary planets. Is it possible that Pleione 4 was as well, one of them was removed somehow, causing the other to be launched, like a from a slingshot, out of its normal orbit?

Wild speculation here, but if we know the rough date of when we last saw Pleione 4d in-game, we could use the orbital period of the current belt cluster (574.1D), and its distance to its star (914Ls) to calculate how far out the theoretical rogue planet might be right now, were it to have been slingshotted out by the sudden removal of its sister or parent planet.
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Oops, it's actually Pleione 4b.

Ffe happened about 50 years ago.

Also, might have been a INRA satellite or some such.
 

Han_Zen

Han_Zen
CMDR Corlas said:
I'm currently in Pleione checking out the belt clusters that are presumably the remains of Pleione 4. Admittedly, I've not been into too many clusters, probably only a dozen or so, but I'm used to seeing 4-5 objects. A Belt, Cluster 8 here has 12 objects. Quite dense, it seems.

I'm not familiar with previous Elites, but does the designation Pleione 4d imply it was the 4th moon of the 4th planet? Assuming these clusters are planetary remains, do we know of anything in the Elite universe powerful enough to destroy a planet? Or move one, causing, say its moons to collide and produce the debris field we see?

The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and what would have been 5th planets here are all binary planets. Is it possible that Pleione 4 was as well, one of them was removed somehow, causing the other to be launched, like a from a slingshot, out of its normal orbit?

Wild speculation here, but if we know the rough date of when we last saw Pleione 4d in-game, we could use the orbital period of the current belt cluster (574.1D), and its distance to its star (914Ls) to calculate how far out the theoretical rogue planet might be right now, were it to have been slingshotted out by the sudden removal of its sister or parent planet.
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It was Pleione 4b. The second moon of Pleione 4.

Pleione 4 does no longer have any moons, but it has gained two rings (a and b).
 

Sausages

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If there are asteroid belts where pleione 4d was... is it worth me dropping the ua around in there somewhere? It might be scanning everything in an attempt to locate the planet... some remains of the old thargoid battle cruiser might still be there and it will activate? I think my asp would survive the journey...
 
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