The Star Citizen Thread v 3.0

[adoredtv]

I know from many people who did it.

And what was their result? I mean surely if CIG are scamming people on this kind of scale then the authorities cannot possibly see otherwise, right?

If I were annoyed enough about it then I would for sure be checking up with the relevant authorities before making countless statements against the company. So you must have done the same, you must have evidence? Have the FTC made any comment to this effect?

Number 3 too. But number 3 have been disrespected by the company, since they not just threat people who do that in their own website,
or less than that (like just criticize the game or ask questions), but also going further and trying to remove people's right (protected by FTC) even outside of their forums, as we
already know.

So from your POV all this stuff is clearly anti-consumer - yet nobody can provide any evidence of the FTC or any other body acting against CIG? Do you have *any* evidence whatsoever? A letter from the FTC? Anything?

 

[MaxLexandre]

I think collectively we should be past the scam debate. How is the PTU looking for the one's that got it already?

I'm liking it!

- The new Hangar WIP improvements look cool, the lighting is much better, the character handling also somehow feels better.
- Not sure if that was already there, near the Virtual Machine thing you have a Item to choose your FPS Loadout, a set of 6 armors currently and you can go to planetside with them.
- Tons of people on the Arcorp! At least they don't look all exactly the same now ahah.

- I crashed getting to a Bungie, trying again

 

[jcrg99]

And what was their result? I mean surely if CIG are scamming people on this kind of scale then the authorities cannot possibly see otherwise, right?

Wrong.

FTC receives millions of complaints in a daily basis. So, they will have some different priorities in what things they will look into it. That does not mean that the companies reported are doing ok or safe. It just means that they had no time/resources to take a look in everything. That is why, some consumers are with the intent of a class lawsuit, because that would make some actions taken faster than if waiting for Federal/State action, which could just come when it would be too late. In fact, if all the CIG backers complained to FTC, still wouldn't guarantee action. They would be still too few compared with the number of complaints that they receive about other business of "more vital importance", I could say. Unless the project owner announces that is not delivering. This is the kind of thing that makes them react to complaints. But CIG always will escape, because they keep "developing". FTC won't notice, for example, that they keep going, but keep been paid, with more money for going... both to "share updates" and "advance". Different from other projects they are making more money not releasing, than releasing, but this analysis will escape from them superficial filter, probably. It's like a 'long con'. Something that FTC seems not aware or paying attention, because its almost exclusive of the CIG crowdfunding case.

I also don't know in what "scale" of scam are you talking about. CIG broke laws. Consumer laws. Advertising laws and raised suspicious about a "worst scam". Their attitude and evidences gathered will require from CIG to prove them wrong, and the only way, will be with accountability, not with the word of the man in charge, because he already was got (in evidences) lying to the public and even if not, his words would be worthless after the evidences gathered. In any case, they can't escape from fines, whatever the source of the lawsuit be, be from an authority or from consumers. But if accountability reveals other worst activities... well... jail time is not an exaggeration (but I personally doubt it, I can't say for sure, I just don't believe in criminal activities, just disrespect of consumer/ad laws that they assumed the risk, because they follow that motto "It's a game, nobody cares, nobody will bother, let's do this, helps us to make easy money").

 

[adoredtv]

Wrong.

FTC receives millions of complaints in a daily basis.

Really? Can you provide links for that? Assuming that is the case however - don't you think that they'd prioritise high volume, high revenue scams before smaller ones? Like, $100 million "scams" with 1 million "victims" might take precedence ahead of the countless sole-trader stuff out there?

That's how it's done here in the UK at least.

I also don't know in what "scale" of scam are you talking about. CIG broke laws. Consumer laws. Advertising laws and raised suspicious about a "worst scam". Their attitude and evidences gathered will require from CIG to prove them wrong, and the only way, will be with accountability, not with the word of the man in charge, because he already was got (in evidences) lying to the public and even if not, his words would be worthless after the evidences gathered. In any case, they can't escape from fines, whatever the source of the lawsuit be, be from an authority or from consumers. But if accountability reveals other worst activities... well... jail time is not an exaggeration (but I personally doubt it, I can't say for sure, I just don't believe in criminal activities, just disrespect of consumer/ad laws that they assumed the risk, because they follow that motto "It's a game, nobody cares, nobody will bother, let's do this, helps us to make easy money").

Evidence of this...stuff? Anything? You know you can always use the UK system, and the EU system...or any other system that doesn't take 100 years to bear fruit. You realise that CIG does more business outside of the US than in the US, right? So if you really wanted to bring their supposedly "anti consumer" behaviour to court then your best bet would be to try outside of the US. You will also find that authorities outside of the US have much less tolerance for abusive behaviour.

It seems to me that you'd be a lot better served by simply making sure that the relevant authorites around the world know what is going on. Make a blog about it, keep us updated on your progress.

 

[MaxLexandre]

The new update is cool, small steps but, Star Citizen is walking towards what is meant to be. Improvements here and there, and the little details really add up to the whole thing, like the voice-acted emotes. Play with the FPS Loadouts pretty cool. The gameplay is being baked, let's see how that will set over all the detail over what is already done.

Really? Can you provide links for that? Assuming that is the case, don't you think that they'd prioritise high volume, high revenue scams before smaller ones? Like, $100 million scams might take precedence ahead of the countless sole-trader stuff out there?

That's how it's done here in the UK at least.



Evidence of this...stuff? Anything? You know you can always use the UK system, and the EU system...or any other system that doesn't take 100 years to bear fruit. You realise that CIG does more business outside of the US than in the US, right? So if you really wanted to bring their supposedly "anti consumer" behaviour to court then your best bet would be to try outside of the US.

It seems to me that you'd be a lot better served by simply making sure that the relevant authorites around the world know what is going on. Make a blog about it, keep us updated on your progress.

Yeah indeed, such Scam this is but nobody can provide evidence. That is really the fact, Star Citizen would be pretty much a 100 Million Dollar Scam, if there was something clearly wrong, i have great doubts something like that wouldn't be on the FTC Priorities to Investigate. Try to ignore that for the amount of complaints they get is kinda silly, being the magnitude of SC.

And indeed, outside US a case would be stronger, no matter if CIG is one US Company, most of their staff and business is on Europe (and far i'm aware isn't F42 UK studio registered as a "company"?). And seems that's a growing trend seeing the boost EU studios are getting. EU is the laws-for-everything land, Companies have much less maneuver than what they have on US.

 

[Mr.Nowak]

It's a scam where 280 people work hard on making a game reality. Also joined in on the scam are top hollywood actors. Who now started tweeting and making messages backing this scam. A scam where every bit of development progress is shared and made public as well as playable builds.

 

[1500]

It's a scam where 280 people work hard on making a game reality. Also joined in on the scam are top holywood actors. Who now started tweeting and making messages backing this scam. A scam where every bit of development progress is shared and made public as well as playable builds.

They can be making a game and its its still a scam. People that purchased SC thinking it was going to be like Privateer, you know like how CR told it would be, might feel scammed. The very fact that CR is dumping millions into the single player cutscenes, not even the game, could be a considered a scam, after all he was given money to make a game, not a movie. NVM the vast majoraty of the money that CIG have gotten is from ship sales, those ship sales are for the PU, not the single player game.

There are a lot of reasons to call SC a scam, even though they are making a game. CR and CIG have lied to their backers over and over again in order to make money. Many people would consider that scamming.

 

[MaxLexandre]

Oh i forgot, the 1.3 PTU also adds something shown at Citizencon, we can now leave our ships on mid-space, and get back inside. No need to land anymore.

 

[MaxLexandre]

They can be making a game and its its still a scam. People that purchased SC thinking it was going to be like Privateer, you know like how CR told it would be, might feel scammed. The very fact that CR is dumping millions into the single player cutscenes, not even the game, could be a considered a scam, after all he was given money to make a game, not a movie. NVM the vast majoraty of the money that CIG have gotten is from ship sales, those ship sales are for the PU, not the single player game.

There are a lot of reasons to call SC a scam, even though they are making a game. CR and CIG have lied to their backers over and over again in order to make money. Many people would consider that scamming.

Those people shouldn't need to to feel scammed, they should need is to ask for a refund, because scammed would be if they didn't gave your money back based on that. Also let me fix, "The very fact CR is delivering it's promises with Squadron 42*", also one update, the Single-player Cut-scene and Ship Demo were created after the voice / motion capture finished and started being implemented in-game, 2 months ago, they are not Cut-scenes of Millions as the motion capture did the most work. The truth is there is quite the people that aren't interested on the MMO part of Star Citizen (specially the original backers that already knew Roberts from his past games), the thing is, even if you want only SQ42, you get the full thing.

At the end you should change the part "Lied" to "Delayed", because that's where the big majority of the point sets in, a game that is taking longer to develop.

 

[Mr.Nowak]

They can be making a game and its its still a scam. People that purchased SC thinking it was going to be like Privateer, you know like how CR told it would be, might feel scammed. The very fact that CR is dumping millions into the single player cutscenes, not even the game, could be a considered a scam, after all he was given money to make a game, not a movie. NVM the vast majoraty of the money that CIG have gotten is from ship sales, those ship sales are for the PU, not the single player game.

There are a lot of reasons to call SC a scam, even though they are making a game. CR and CIG have lied to their backers over and over again in order to make money. Many people would consider that scamming.

So scam game? Sweet. Singleplayer campaign with hollywood cast is a part of the game. So making a promise is also a scam?. Also cutscenes are rendered in engine real time. Not a file that you download and you play. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what ''many'' people would consider scam. I could consider many things scam if I wanted to. Every Terms of Service change at Paypal could be a scam. Because paypal said one thing to me and did another. So paypal scams. So does Spotify. So does War Thunder. Do you see what I am getting at?

People who have an axe to grind with SC and CIG are the first ones to call it a scam. That's the sad truth.

--

Here is an interview with Erin Roberts talking about the noise before Citizencon.

DS: I tried, I tried, Another question I have for you Erin is, I think it’s relevant because I think it’s important to talk about it, but as far as the naysayers and what you hear everyday, as backers, I scour everyday online and look for any public article that get written about star citizen and usually what I do is skip the article because I brought this up with sandi that generally most of the articles get the information wrong for the most part. What I do personally is I just go straight to the comments and see what people are saying, and then if I feel wrong information is being given I’ll try to correct and that’s as a backer that’s me fighting the good fight. What do you think of the public perception so far?

ER: Once again, people are going to have their opinions about stuff and people have a right to an opinion on stuff like that and it just goes back to all we can do is build this and show people the gameplay and then people can make up their minds from that and that’s what we’re trying to get out there and also like I said we’re going to show some stuff some stuff tonight which is going to be live and played live, just so I’m on record saying that if someone says it’s recorded or something.

But then the opportunity then is to get it out so everyone can play it that and I think when someone gets in that and sees what it is, they’re start to create their own scenarios come up with their own game stuff and just live in what we’re going to give them in the next few weeks, getting them to live in that thing and I just love that being with the friends and doing stuff, going to different places, exploring and taking the missions and all that kind of stuff.

DS: Well that’s the thing because you have all that tech and for the most part in the development it’s been you have to build all the groundwork, gotta get all the systems in place so there’s not a lot of flashy stuff you can show in the beginning. Are we at the point in the project where now you can really start focusing on the content side and building on that foundation?

ER: Absolutely, the big hard slug was getting the tech in place and it’s a huge amount of work but now it’s there and so now we can show it and that means we can put a lot of stuff together and so forth and also the base tech being in there as well is the great foundation for finishing off squadron 42. They’re all very much intertwined.

DS: And that’s been apart of the criticism all these pieces together, you have all this tech, all these different pieces you have to have the general instance manger, have to have the zone, the local physics grid, the cameras, you have all this new tech, you can’t cheat for instance on the FPS that chris has mentioned and that’s one of the big things with the criticism and it’s okay, it’s good to have criticism, I think seeing all those things and what we’re going to see tonight, that’s the verification of the project and what’s it going to be.

ER: Yeah that’s it, put it together, show the stuff and also like I said the important thing is putting it in the hands of the players and then everyone will play it and basically get that feedback from the community. We get the stuff out there and we get the feedback and we can basically react to that and get more stuff out and what we do then is doing another update where we add a bunch more content and a bunch more gameplay and so forth and keep on building and building and building and before people know it, all of a sudden, the actual whole persistent universe has crept up on everybody, they’ve been playing and giving feedback and getting that kind of stuff and things, that’s kind of the way we built it.

The whole kind of idea is we wanted to create, was this you know, Open development is great in those sort of terms you don’t work for everybody, you do the stuff, you get the stuff out there and people can see it being built together and be apart of the process and that’s what we love doing. The other side of the open development is that people can sit there and go OH I don’t like that, that’s crap, what’s going on here and that kind of stuff. There’s a lot of stuff because we’re very open development, I mean people don’t realize happens in every games company, it just happens behinds close doors, but were basically just saying we’re sharing it with everybody this is what we’re doing, this is how we’re doing it, sometimes it takes longer at times than what we want it to, we miss dates absolutely because we’re trying to do something.

We change the scope of that we’re trying to do because basically the game we were building at the beginning when it was 6 million dollars, were not going to deliver a 6 million game to people when they gave 90 million dollars, that would be insulting. The comments would be we gave you 90 million dollars but at the rate of a 4 million dollar game and something like that. We’ve basically been given an opportunity to create something really special and that’s what we are doing and what we’re working towards and that’s what I’m looking forward to get it out to everybody and they can go okay, I get it and there’s a lot of people who understand the vision and a lot people who sit on the fence who are waiting to be given the opportunity to see it and go yes that’s great! and so on so forth.

Source: http://imperialnews.network/2015/10/erin-roberts-citcon-2015-interview/

 

[1500]

Those people shouldn't need to to feel scammed, they should need is to ask for a refund, because scammed would be if they didn't gave your money back based on that. Also let me fix, "The very fact CR is delivering it's promises with Squadron 42*", also one update, the Single-player Cut-scene and Ship Demo were created after the voice / motion capture finished and started being implemented in-game, 2 months ago, they are not Cut-scenes of Millions as the motion capture did the most work. The truth is there is quite the people that aren't interested on the MMO part of Star Citizen (specially the original backers that already knew Roberts from his past games), the thing is, even if you want only SQ42, you get the full thing.

At the end you should change the part "Lied" to "Delayed", because that's where the big majority of the point sets in, a game that is taking longer to develop.

CIG does not give refunds, that is their official word, until they change it and start to actively process peoples refund requests it stands that CIG does not give refunds.

Actually CIG are not delivering on its promises with SQ42, were is the game? There is no game, the promise was a game, not cutscenes. CIG are creating 10 hours of cutscenes, they did 60 days of motion capture with paid actors. None of that was asked for by the backers, the backers gave CIG most of the money to make the PU, instead it went into CR's movie project.

Nope, CIG and CR have actively lied to its backers in order to get them to spend money. Like I said many people would say there were scamming people.

 

[Helfix]

They can be making a game and its its still a scam. People that purchased SC thinking it was going to be like Privateer, you know like how CR told it would be, might feel scammed. The very fact that CR is dumping millions into the single player cutscenes, not even the game, could be a considered a scam, after all he was given money to make a game, not a movie. NVM the vast majoraty of the money that CIG have gotten is from ship sales, those ship sales are for the PU, not the single player game.

There are a lot of reasons to call SC a scam, even though they are making a game. CR and CIG have lied to their backers over and over again in order to make money. Many people would consider that scamming.

Ugh are you serious now? Heck, as much as I nitpick about CIG the statements you are making are ridiculous. Hollywood style actors were part of our stretch goals long ago, so was mocap and high end cutscens, you know, something every single other game out there has, on budgets much lower than what CIG has now, which is in probably top 10-20 most expensive games of all time now. Are you seriously surprised it costs a ton of money to make those single player cut-scenes? Hell, if CIG released a single player game with pretty low quality cut-scenes you'd be complaining what they did with those $92 million.

I can agree with you on the gameplay part, we were promised something more akeen to Wing Commander/Privateer/Freespace style gameplay and what we have now is Descent style gameplay(which is FPS). SQ 42 is at least a year away from release and the PU probably 1.5-2 years away. There is a lot of time for them to change it and I am sure they will, question is how much will it change. There is a lot of pressure on them right now on the forums to change it drastically, even from all the top leader board players, because they all agree gameplay is shallow and the feel is terrible.

But semantics are fun

So, in terms of the engine...is the twitchy behavior because the thrusters are so powerful that they overcome inertia instantly or the game doesn't factor it in?

Well, that is one part of the reason, the thrusters for manuvering are ridiculously powerful, it makes the ships feel like they have no mass to them, just look at CitizenCon with the Constellation gameplay/takeoff just see how ridiculously fast it takes off or even turns. It's creating a twitch/fps style gameplay with no depth. Not to mention it makes all the ships feel like paper planes.

CIG does not give refunds, that is their official word, until they change it and start to actively process peoples refund requests it stands that CIG does not give refunds.

Actually CIG are not delivering on its promises with SQ42, were is the game? There is no game, the promise was a game, not cutscenes. CIG are creating 10 hours of cutscenes, they did 60 days of motion capture with paid actors. None of that was asked for by the backers, the backers gave CIG most of the money to make the PU, instead it went into CR's movie project.

Nope, CIG and CR have actively lied to its backers in order to get them to spend money. Like I said many people would say there were scamming people.

Pretty damn sure the original pitch to the game was Squadron 42, with a persistent universe on top, its not like Squadron 42 came out of nowhere magically. Also the cutscenes you are complaining about, we already paid for them, long time ago. Ohhhh and boohooo you want Sqadron 42 right now, well guess what? It takes time to make, it takes even more time when you build a studio from scratch.

Yeah, I know, CR and his team grossly under-estimated the amount of time it would take to get that studio up and running and deliver the game. We all know. I complain about it all the time, well, actually I don't really, I complain about the current gameplay all the time.

 

[1500]

So scam game? Sweet. Singleplayer campaign with hollywood cast is a part of the game. So making a promise is also a scam?. Also cutscenes are rendered in engine real time. Not a file that you download and you play. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what ''many'' people would consider scam. I could consider many things scam if I wanted to. Every Terms of Service change at Paypal could be a scam. Because paypal said one thing to me and did another. So paypal scams. So does Spotify. So does War Thunder. Do you see what I am getting at?

People who have an axe to grind with SC and CIG are the first ones to call it a scam. That's the sad truth.

--

Here is an interview with Erin Roberts talking about the noise before Citizencon.













Source: http://imperialnews.network/2015/10/erin-roberts-citcon-2015-interview/

You know you didn't refute anything I said right? CIG set the stretch goal, the backers did not. Nor did the backers ask CR to spend millions making 10 hours of cutscenes. Most of the money that CIG was given was for selling ships in the PU, yet CR is spending millions making things no one asked for. Where is the game? CIG could not even show gameplay for SQ42. Who said making a promise is also a scam? I said breaking a promise can be considered a scam.

And many fanboys that can't see the facts say its not a scam. That's the sad truth. (See I also can make generalizations that are not based on anything.)

Why do you feel the need to make up these generalizations instead of backing up your arguments? But heck lets go off your absurd statement like its true. Perhaps they have an axe to grind for SC and CIG because CR and CIG have lied to them over and over again. Perhaps its because they feel CR and CIG have scammed them out of their money? Nah it can be any of that, after all CR is rewriting history so none of that happened.

 

[1500]

Ugh are you serious now? Heck, as much as I nitpick about CIG the statements you are making are ridiculous. Hollywood style actors were part of our stretch goals long ago, so was mocap and high end cutscens, you know, something every single other game out there has, on budgets much lower than what CIG has now, which is in probably top 10-20 most expensive games of all time now. Are you seriously surprised it costs a ton of money to make those single player cut-scenes? Hell, if CIG released a single player game with pretty low quality cut-scenes you'd be complaining what they did with those $92 million.

I can agree with you on the gameplay part, we were promised something more akeen to Wing Commander/Privateer/Freespace style gameplay and what we have now is Descent style gameplay(which is FPS). SQ 42 is at least a year away from release and the PU probably 1.5-2 years away. There is a lot of time for them to change it and I am sure they will, question is how much will it change. There is a lot of pressure on them right now on the forums to change it drastically, even from all the top leader board players, because they all agree gameplay is shallow and the feel is terrible.

Really so why did CR go on and on about how much more they have then any other? What other game has 10 hours of cutscenes? Who asked him to spend so much time and money on that instead of a game? When were backers in charge of stretch goals? Oh right they are not. I love this blame the victim thing you got going on. CIG set the stretch goals not the backers. And there are degree's to how those stretch goals are produced. It is very clear that CR's real goal was to make a movie, not a game.

So you stoop so low as to put words into my mouth? Man that just goes to show you don't have an argument. Instead of making this up "you'd be complaining what they did with those $92 million" you could have put some effort into an argument. Once you start making up both sides, like you just did, you admit you don't have anything worthwhile to say.

As you don't speek for me and have no idea who I am, please don't put words into my mouth, its a very low thing to do. And by the way, graphics and cutscenes are very low on my priority list, I have already said over and over again, that I hope we can skip them in SC/SQ42.

The funny part is that CR can't even do the expensive cutscenes well, so instead of what your imagination made up, people are now saying look at that junk that CR spend $92 million making.

 

[MaxLexandre]

CIG does not give refunds, that is their official word, until they change it and start to actively process peoples refund requests it stands that CIG does not give refunds.

Actually CIG are not delivering on its promises with SQ42, were is the game? There is no game, the promise was a game, not cutscenes. CIG are creating 10 hours of cutscenes, they did 60 days of motion capture with paid actors. None of that was asked for by the backers, the backers gave CIG most of the money to make the PU, instead it went into CR's movie project.

Nope, CIG and CR have actively lied to its backers in order to get them to spend money. Like I said many people would say there were scamming people.

CIG does give refunds, at their own discretion, as it's obvious they would do. Far known people who request for a refund get a refund, specially for the reasons of the delays & original backers, they won't refuse you a refund if you're old old backer that and claim them they had failed to deliver by 2014. That is the fact, they do process the refund requests, it doesn't require one instructional video for educate a person who backed the game that they need to contact support for doing so.

The game? Is being developed. The truth is for SQ42 the gameplay is what takes most time to develop, so while that takes it time i don't see the rest of the studio waiting for the gameplay do to the rest. Also the backers DID ask for it, it's actually because of that the goals were added (under 10M) for Celebrity voice-acting and full motion-capture set, and i'd say they deliver those 2 promises, as said, part of the Stretch Goals.

 

[Mr.Nowak]

You know you didn't refute anything I said right? CIG set the stretch goal, the backers did not. Nor did the backers ask CR to spend millions making 10 hours of cutscenes. Most of the money that CIG was given was for selling ships in the PU, yet CR is spending millions making things no one asked for. Where is the game? CIG could not even show gameplay for SQ42. Who said making a promise is also a scam? I said breaking a promise can be considered a scam.

And many fanboys that can't see the facts say its not a scam. That's the sad truth. (See I also can make generalizations that are not based on anything.)

Why do you feel the need to make up these generalizations instead of backing up your arguments? But heck lets go off your absurd statement like its true. Perhaps they have an axe to grind for SC and CIG because CR and CIG have lied to them over and over again. Perhaps its because they feel CR and CIG have scammed them out of their money? Nah it can be any of that, after all CR is rewriting history so none of that happened.

When you back a project. You give them your money. They can do whatever they want with if they are actually delivering your product. In this case Star Citizen is actually delivering a bigger and better product. Yes later. If something get's delivered to you late but bigger as a package from UPS. Would you complain? Would you say oh I just ordered a HOTAS but why do you give me a PC and Elite Dangerous with it?

Sadly you still believe that the singleplayer will feature 10 hours of cutscenes. I gotta tell you man you are so wrong. Yes there will be big cutcenes but not all of them will be rendered and those who are will be rendered live in Cryengine through your PC. Actually a majority of will be in character and you will be totally immersed in the situation. You as the player actually get to interact with your crew during the mo-capped scenes. These scenes are live gameplay. The mocap data is played in the game as you are playing your character moving around and talking to people. Here is a gameplay example from Squadron 42.

[video=youtube;qexLUpQJPw8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qexLUpQJPw8[/video]

 

[MaxLexandre]

What other game has 10 hours of cutscenes? Who asked him to spend so much time and money on that instead of a game? When were backers in charge of stretch goals? Oh right they are not. I love this blame the victim thing you got going on. CIG set the stretch goals not the backers. And there are degree's to how those stretch goals are produced. It is very clear that CR's real goal was to make a movie, not a game.

1) It's not 10 hours of cutscenes, it's 10 hours of the final edits from the original capture of voice/movement. If you you think for a bit, seeing the Idris ship demo shown, you see that not only YOU but the NPCs surrounding you, even the ones who are just on the area you are on that you can optionally interact with, have their own voiced lines & captured movements, and it's not on a cut scene at all, you could walk around trough it. I would be impressed if we see around 3 hours of actual cutscenes (About the same as Mass Effect 3), but it may be less because of the way you're actually there as the player as the NPCs talk, etc... it doesn't need to throw a cut-scene over you.

 

[1500]

CIG does give refunds, at their own discretion, as it's obvious they would do. Far known people who request for a refund get a refund, specially for the reasons of the delays & original backers, they won't refuse you a refund if you're old old backer that and claim them they had failed to deliver by 2014. That is the fact, they do process the refund requests, it doesn't require one instructional video for educate a person who backed the game that they need to contact support for doing so.

The game? Is being developed. The truth is for SQ42 the gameplay is what takes most time to develop, so while that takes it time i don't see the rest of the studio waiting for the gameplay do to the rest. Also the backers DID ask for it, it's actually because of that the goals were added (under 10M) for Celebrity voice-acting and full motion-capture set, and i'd say they deliver those 2 promises, as said, part of the Stretch Goals.

Actually they don't get a refund, many people have not gotten refunds and continue not to get refunds. So like I said, they could think CIG scammed them of their money. None of the "facts" you stated are facts. Please stop spreading misinformation by claiming they are facts, when they are not.

No one said the game is not being developed, but there is next to nothing so far. Nope backers did not ask for it. CR stated he needed 20 million (changed to 23 because he forgot about taxes and he wanted his million back from the first year), so people backed in order for the game to be funded. CIG set the stretch goals, not the backers. And the Motion capture was for CIG to make their own studio (something they did), not to fund CR employing one of the largest motion capture studios in the world for a project that took more time the major movies.

 

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Actually they don't get a refund, many people have not gotten refunds and continue not to get refunds. So like I said, they could think CIG scammed them of their money. None of the "facts" you stated are facts. Please stop spreading misinformation by claiming they are facts, when they are not.

No one said the game is not being developed, but there is next to nothing so far. Nope backers did not ask for it. CR stated he needed 20 million (changed to 23 because he forgot about taxes and he wanted his million back from the first year), so people backed in order for the game to be funded. CIG set the stretch goals, not the backers. And the Motion capture was for CIG to make their own studio (something they did), not to fund CR employing one of the largest motion capture studios in the world for a project that took more time the major movies.

Many people do not get refunds? Can you please show me proof to backup that claim?

CIG does refund you, if you are a KS backer and if you backed during the crowdfund up to the end of 2014, the biggest valid reasons for it are clear: Failure to deliver by 2014 or not agreeing with the scope increase. Side of that, if i backed the game this year, and decided i want a refund, they have the right to not to give it if you don't justify why, i mean that is clear as obvious, this is not a "I demand a refund at any time i want for any reason i want just because i feel like it.", sorry, this is not how it works, you have the refunds during 14 days after got the package, after that... it's up to them and their TOS.

"Squadron 42 will feature celebrity voice-acting including at least one favorite from Wing Commander and 50 total missions." << 5 Million Stretch Goal.
"Professional motion capture for the Squadron 42 cutscenes." << 5.5 Million Stretch Goal.

What you are complaining is about some of the first stretch goals of the game, when the Crowdfund started after KS.

 

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When you back a project. You give them your money. They can do whatever they want with if they are actually delivering your product. In this case Star Citizen is actually delivering a bigger and better product. Yes later. If something get's delivered to you late but bigger as a package from UPS. Would you complain? Would you say oh I just ordered a HOTAS but why do you give me a PC and Elite Dangerous with it?

Sadly you still believe that the singleplayer will feature 10 hours of cutscenes. I gotta tell you man you are so wrong. Yes there will be big cutcenes but not all of them will be rendered and those who are will be rendered live in Cryengine through your PC. Actually a majority of will be in character and you will be totally immersed in the situation. You as the player actually get to interact with your crew during the mo-capped scenes. These scenes are live gameplay. The mocap data is played in the game as you are playing your character moving around and talking to people. Here is a gameplay example from Squadron 42.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qexLUpQJPw8

Of course they can do what they want with the money, how does that change anything? People could still feel scammed with how that money was used, especially if it was not used as originally stated. No SC is not actually delivering a bigger and better product. Sadly that is just in your imagination. Why are you making things up? Do you really think that helps your argument? You are still stuck using your imagination, why is it ok for you to do that but not for others? Its not even imagination in the so called "axe to grind" people that you made up, because they get to work with facts and reality, they are looking at what CIG have produced and what CIG have done. They don't use their imagination to ignore all the bad junk that CIG have produced, they don't use their imagination to change CIG history, they don't use their imagination to imagine a world of a competent CIG.

That Idris intro was not much better then a cutscene, that is not gameplay, that is just an interactive cutscene. No I will not be totally immersed, if what CIG showed game gamescon was any indication. Poor writing, poor acting, and really bad pacing do not make for an immerse game.

You already know I watched the demo live, why are you linking it again?