Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

[Kyokushin]

Everyone know they will not change it, this was posted many times there, but this lack of logic in core game modes really annoys people.
I am curious how many more pages people write here

I also think this is some psychological experiment. People go through all the fifth phases of grief here

 

[Mouse]

They cant, but your logic voice will be jammed by people who think their right is righter than Your.
You are like a diamond in this discussion. +rep CMDR.

And below is a summary of this nonsense:
Pirates: give us 100mln credits or we blockade this system!
Truckers: give us 100mln credits or we go to SOLO!

you claim they can't, but all that proves is you haven't read much of all on the mega threads.. Reasons why Mode switching is valid and good have been repeatedly stated over and over..

What I view the biggest one of all to be... the temperamental connection some people have to the internet.




You are right though.. it is nonsense for someone to realistically expect that they can blockade a system when the game is p2p and instancing means that even in open the pirates will not see most who enter the system.

 

[Roybe]

Everyone know they will not change it, this was posted many times there, but this lack of logic in core game modes really annoys people.
I am curious how many more pages people write here

I also think this is some psychological experiment. People go through all the fifth phases of grief here

Why can't they just go to acceptance? LOL!

But the core game modes are logical...people do not accept the logic. The game is all about the PVE collection of trophies between groups PVPing against said collection.

Any other type of game play can occur...but is not rewarded.

Since the various consoles cannot play with all other players...and playing with people costs more money for people to do...this is actually a smart move by the designers of the game.

 

[Kyokushin]

Belive me, 'game modes' are far of the any logic. This breaking a sense of any actions. Everyone instead of thinking 'how to survive and how to play' can go to solo/group.
There is nothing to talk about. It will not change. Some of people want this, some dont. They need to live with that or play something else as you wrote.
Maybe Star Citizen on release in 2040 will be good solution, if not for us, maybe for our kids.

 

[Lestenio]

Everyone know they will not change it, this was posted many times there, but this lack of logic in core game modes really annoys people.
I am curious how many more pages people write here

I also think this is some psychological experiment. People go through all the fifth phases of grief here

its good they won't change it. I'd be pretty damn annoyed if they changed a fundamental feature of something I bought.

 

[Kyokushin]

Maybe good for You, but not good for logic and not good 'at all'. And this is sad, logic was hurt and people are happy. However, this is not the first and not the last time in a history of mankind.

Have a nice day folks, i am out from this little private hell

 

[Mouse]

Belive me, 'game modes' are far of the any logic. This breaking a sense of any actions. Everyone instead of thinking 'how to survive and how to play' can go to solo/group.
There is nothing to talk about. It will not change. Some of people want this, some dont. They need to live with that or play something else as you wrote.
Maybe Star Citizen on release in 2040 will be good solution, if not for us, maybe for our kids.

Why are you playing ED then? Why are you not in Eve where they pigeonhole everyone into one open play like you want? Why admit that Fdev won't' change anything then continue to complain? I get plenty of action, the only kind I don't get is the actions of people who decided that I need to be their content.

 

[Mouse]

Maybe good for You, but not good for logic and not good 'at all'. And this is sad, logic was hurt and people are happy. However, this is not the first and not the last time in a history of mankind.

Have a nice day folks, i am out from this little private hell

You keep using that word.. I am unsure if you even know what the word "Logic" actually means.



It doesn't mean what you think it means..

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Just give people the option to play in groups or private, however OPEN should be locked to only OPEN.

Not that FD could do it without a proportion of the playerbase starting a class action lawsuit, but if it happened i'd say goodbye to Open then.

Then i'd sit back and wait for the cries from the open players about a lack of people playing in open and how they can find nobody to pew-pew with (as in, no soft targets, because certain players don't want fair fights) Meanwhile, open only traders would move to remote systems to avoid the feeding frenzy the core worlds would become.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Not that FD could do it without a proportion of the playerbase starting a class action lawsuit, but if it happened i'd say goodbye to Open then.

Then i'd sit back and wait for the cries from the open players about a lack of people playing in open and how they can find nobody to pew-pew with (as in, no soft targets, because certain players don't want fair fights) Meanwhile, open only traders would move to remote systems to avoid the feeding frenzy the core worlds would become.

Just the ability to take high-res screenies would take me into Solo permanently.

But imagine the congo line of traders hanging around outpost listening to: docking permission denied.

 

[Robert Maynard]

But imagine the congo line of traders hanging around outpost listening to: docking permission denied.

.... all because one player is sitting on the pad indefinitely for "reasons"....

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

.... all because one player is sitting on the pad indefinitely for "reasons"....

That reason would be very "emergent game play", it would be totally fun for everybody and the risk of something like that happening would demand very high rewards because of the risk! Everybody would be happy.

Without that everybody would be bored to tears or something.

 

[Jockey79]

but not good for logic and

Belive me, 'game modes' are far of the any logic.

but this lack of logic in core game modes really annoys people.

They cant, but your logic voice will be jammed by ...

logic
logic noun (REASONABLE THINKING)
a p​articular way of thinking, especially one that is reasonable and ​based on good judgment:

So where is the logic, in buying a game with a core feature (that was well known) you do not like?

Some people answer this with, they didn't know about it - but who is to blame for that? The information was there from the start.
Where else in life do people just randomly go and buy something without knowing what it is?

I've never walked in to a restaurant and proclaimed "Feed me" - I read the menu and choose what I want.
I've never walked on to a car lot, closed my eyes, spun around and said "That one" - I ask questions, I choose one to suit me.

People are responsible for their money and how they use it / spend it - if people do that recklessly, where is the logic blaming others for their errors?

Caveat Emptor should be the motto for everyone when it comes to spending money.

 

[ianw]

Just the ability to take high-res screenies would take me into Solo permanently.

But imagine the congo line of traders hanging around outpost listening to: docking permission denied.

That's actually a very good point about docking - possibly new to the megathreads (at least I can't recall seeing it lately).

Not just traders but anyone trying to dock at any busy location - it would be chaos.

Look at what happened at Hutton in open.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Maybe good for You, but not good for logic and not good 'at all'. And this is sad, logic was hurt and people are happy. However, this is not the first and not the last time in a history of mankind.

Have a nice day folks, i am out from this little private hell

not sure where you are from, but we have different thoughts of the meaning of logic. To me logic dictates you look at a product, decide if it offers a function you like and then decide whether to buy it or not.

Im my mind there is no logic at all in buying a product and complaining that you do not like how it works even though it was described, and stamping your feet to try to get it changed - esp when you are fully aware that that change will break it for many.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

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But I still don't understand, what is for them the problem, to have one Open Cmdr. and one for Solo/Private Group.
Maybe they don't want it, because they know about the exploit, and don't want to loose it.....

I don't understand what's the problem with mode switching. There is no logical reason not to allow it. Switching modes is a good way to bring more players into Open - it helps all players in Open Mode.
Why is it so hard to understand that some players want to play in Open Mode and in Solo mode depending on their mood without having to "grind" for two CMDRs?

The accusations of using "exploits" is really absurd and only shows the mindset of the accuser. Some players play this game because they want to have fun playing the game and not because they want to beat other players or think that it's about getting more cr. than an other player.


And btw: The difference between Open, Solo and Private Group Mode is the matchmaking and nothing more. It's only the number of other players a player can see in an instance.
Solo Mode: only one player
Private Group Mode: up to 32 players who all got invited into that private Group by the player who created the group
Open Mode: up to 32 random players

The main difference between Open Mode and Private Group is that players get invited into Private Group Mode. By using anchor wings something like a "private instance" can be made in Open Mode. In the end the difference between Open Mode and Private Group Mode is only a theoretical difference. Instancing and time zones have the same effect in Open Mode.

Not allowing mode switching won't change anything. Blockading won't suddenly work, there won't be more players in an instance, there won't be more "soft targets", there will still be ways to avoid other players.

 

[Kyokushin]

Why are you playing ED then? Why are you not in Eve where they pigeonhole everyone into one open play like you want? Why admit that Fdev won't' change anything then continue to complain? I get plenty of action, the only kind I don't get is the actions of people who decided that I need to be their content.

Because i like ED not eve.
And the fact that I like FD, does not mean that I can not criticize the bad solutions. And a proof of that, is an existence of this soap opera topic.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Because i like ED not eve.
And the fact that I like FD, does not mean that I can not criticize the bad solutions. And a proof of that, is an existence of this soap opera topic.

That the solutions are "bad" is an opinion - that's what keeps this topic running - everyone has an opinion.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

And a proof of that, is an existence of this soap opera topic.

Oh for the love of Zeus, can everyone please not use the existence of this thread as proof their position is the right one?

Look Kyokushin, the existence of this soap opera topic takes 2 opinions to tango.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Look at what happened at Hutton in open.

indeed...... 1 person going AFK would destroy a community goal if it was at an orbital platform.... and it may not even be deliberately griefing like the CODE lot at hutton but a simple ignorance of the game mechanics as someone goes to grab their lunch!.. Of course what would happen then would be people would start downloading torrents etc to bork their connections and make the game instance them on their own, which would essentially be mode swapping them into solo, only this time it would be doing it by significantly cocking up the game for a load of people.

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Oh for the love of Zeus, can everyone please not use the existence of this thread as proof their position is the right one?

Look Kyokushin, the existence of this soap opera topic takes 2 opinions to tango.

indeed.... I could start a thread about (ok I better not give an example ) but I could start a thread about suggesting something incredibly obnoxious/toxic or offensive and it would 100% guarantee a whole slew of replies - if it was not locked of course.

To say that would make my initial post a valid and valuable suggestion is not a sound conclusion.