UA Mystery Thread 3: The Canonn

[nilreb]

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"I know of only one possible UFO seen in space by an astronaut, which was duly reported at the time. It occurred in 1965, when James McDivitt and Ed White were passing over Hawaii in Gemini 4 and spotted what McDivitt described as a 'weird-looking metallic object' with an 'arm sticking out.' The object was moving away from the spacecraft. It wasn't on their list of space junk, so he took some pictures. It was so bright with the sun shining off it that it was difficult to see much detail, and the astronauts frankly didn't know what they were observing. Later there was some speculation that it could have been the second stage of their Titan II booster, but McDivitt had seen the rocket section trailing them earlier and identified it as such."
James McDivitt described the object: "like a beer can or a pop can, and with a little thing like maybe like a pencil or something sticking out of it."
Was it an UA he spotted?

To bring up a famous quotation:
Have you listened to them?
Daft Punk | Random Access Memories | 13. Contact (2013 A.D.)

We salute you!

Edit:
Daft Punk has used the sound from Apollo 17 mission ... so not 100% match
For the lazy ones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRcHTdWY5lU
Edit #2: Hear the end!!!

 

[Dommarraa]

Looking at the admittedly slim possibility that FDs use of the AEO name is connected to the Apollo Earth Orbit charts (marked AEO), I was looking at the central pacific region. This is the region where they boosted out of earth orbit and into outer space.

I was a little excited when I discovered that the Apollo Mission was fitted with a Morse Code system for emergencies, only to find it was never used. Damnation.

Would have nicely tied AEO name, Molyneux, Morse Code, AA Audio together

 

[Special Circumstances]

Ovid, Fasti 4. 169 ff (trans.Boyle) (Roman poetry C1st B.C. to C1st A.D.) :
"The Pleiades will start relieving their sire's [Atlas'] shoulders. Called seven, they are usually six, wither because six of them entered a god’s embrace . . . the seventh, Merope, wed you, mortal Sisyphus, she regrets it, and hides alone in shame."

So, um, perhaps it's some new species, some half breed of human and alien. That at least would explain the Morse code and alieness all in one go...

Also, the hiding...

heheh....

I quote

"Sisyphus was a character from the mythology of Ancient Greece on Earth. According to the myth, Sisyphus was cursed by the gods with the task of rolling a heavy boulder up a hill, only to watch it roll down again from the top, and to repeat this task throughout eternity.

The term "Sisyphean" is used to describe any activity that is unending, repetitive, and/or pointless. "

 

[Popov Le Magnifique]

I have a question for Michael Brookes, hoping he's still lurking this thread as he usually does:


We've been told that there was something in 1.3 we didn't discover about the UA: is this thing still present in 1.4? Or the old UA behaviors have been “overwritten” by the new ones?


Thanks.

IMO, it's the "why" we haven't discovered yet. We know what the UA does but not why, and we should be able to find that out with the hints we've been given. ( "You think it’s a coincidence that the President went missing just weeks after those THINGS turn up? Don’t be so naive. WAKE UP sheeple, you’re being lied to." )

Obviously, I didn't come up with that theory, I'm not clever enough, it comes right from the wiki on the INRA ("The Intergalactic Naval Reserve Arm was a Federation and Empire Cooperative. It's primary purpose: Develop technologies to defeat the Thargoids.") Hence the fact we never found any Alliance Security Convoy transporting a UA. Was it when "we were close"? The only thing I don't agree with is the fact they're trying to start a war between the Federation and the Empire. Maybe they're just developing a weapon using Thargoid technology, to fight them using their own tech.

On a similar note, I received a strange PM from somebody who recently created an account and hasn't posted on the forums. Weird stuff.

*Solid Tin firmly on*

One question: does anybody know about the technology that went into building the FSD for SS1 and Antares? Partly Thargoid?

 

[Special Circumstances]

On the topic of Orion, there is a mythological link...

when Orion was killed (many conflicting stories as to how), he was placed in the heavens behind the Pleiades, immortalizing the chase (he was after those lovely young Pleiades)

 

[Han_Zen]

I was a little excited when I discovered that the Apollo Mission was fitted with a Morse Code system for emergencies, only to find it was never used. Damnation.

Would have nicely tied AEO name, Molyneux, Morse Code, AA Audio together

The Morse Code backup was tested on the Apollo 7 mission.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_S-band


Edit: Emergency key chapter.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

One question: does anybody know about the technology that went into building the FSD for SS1 and Antares? Partly Thargoid?

Someone mentioned that the ECM was a Thargoid technology. Considering the possibly gravitational waves emanating from the UAs... it's not hard to see why it might be. But they cut ECM technology early...

 

[Ian Skippy]

IMO, it's the "why" we haven't discovered yet. We know what the UA does but not why, and we should be able to find that out with the hints we've been given. ( "You think it’s a coincidence that the President went missing just weeks after those THINGS turn up? Don’t be so naive. WAKE UP sheeple, you’re being lied to." )

Obviously, I didn't come up with that theory, I'm not clever enough, it comes right from the wiki on the INRA ("The Intergalactic Naval Reserve Arm was a Federation and Empire Cooperative. It's primary purpose: Develop technologies to defeat the Thargoids.") Hence the fact we never found any Alliance Security Convoy transporting a UA. Was it when "we were close"? The only thing I don't agree with is the fact they're trying to start a war between the Federation and the Empire. Maybe they're just developing a weapon using Thargoid technology, to fight them using their own tech.

On a similar note, I received a strange PM from somebody who recently created an account and hasn't posted on the forums. Weird stuff.

*Solid Tin firmly on*

One question: does anybody know about the technology that went into building the FSD for SS1 and Antares? Partly Thargoid?

The Starship One has a special drive, but its not unique nor alien in nature. Supposedly other ships have had some accidents, but the 'Hudson Excuse' that something similar happened with SS1 doesn't sit well with me. I don't know what to make of it. I don't believe it was an accident, but it doesn't seem to be part of the 'political story' such as Hudson assassinating Halsey for the presidency. I agree that it seems plausible it is somehow related to the AU, but I haven't got a solid idea yet. INRA plays a large (and very negative) role in one of the ED novels as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were involved. But they operate ABOVE fed and imp governments, and I doubt they have petty politics in mind, nor would Hudson cover up anything from INRA. I have three things I want to test, but they are so depressingly stupid I won't mention it until I've done them.

Btw, was that PM from an FD staff account (name in bold)?

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

You mention the INRA, do you think that the UAs have anything to do with the Crystals that are supposed to be some sort of map.

Spoiler

Spoiler

Is "the place that isn't a place, the door that is the key, the myth" Raxxla? And the crystals a map to it?

 

[Dommarraa]

The Morse Code backup was tested on the Apollo 7 mission.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_S-band

Well there you go:

U-Aliens were buzzing Earth during the Apollo Era, and are using 1950s tech to communicate with us.

Ancient Artefact Audio - Apollo landings
Molyneux "Look to your past"
Morse Code - Apollo 7
AEO Name - Why would FD rename one of their own objects unless as a clue
Humans could have been spotted in Pleione in previous Elites and triggered the UAliens interest in the area

 

[rizal72]

You mention the INRA, do you think that the UAs have anything to do with the Crystals that are supposed to be some sort of map.

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/mC7xypQ.png

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/WLh54TX.png

Is "the place that isn't a place, the door that is the key, the myth" Raxxla? And the crystals a map to it?

We have widely speculated about that a few times in the past: the fact is that we really don't have any clues apart from our pure speculation...

 

[Dommarraa]

You mention the INRA, do you think that the UAs have anything to do with the Crystals that are supposed to be some sort of map.

Is "the place that isn't a place, the door that is the key, the myth" Raxxla? And the crystals a map to it?

Have you read the UA Wiki ? All this has been gone over. I have 12 x SAP 8 on hand for experimentation.

 

[Popov Le Magnifique]

The Starship One has a special drive, but its not unique nor alien in nature.

Source? Do you think they'd say it if it had alien technology in it?

Supposedly other ships have had some accidents, but the 'Hudson Excuse' that something similar happened with SS1 doesn't sit well with me. I don't know what to make of it. I don't believe it was an accident, but it doesn't seem to be part of the 'political story' such as Hudson assassinating Halsey for the presidency. I agree that it seems plausible it is somehow related to the AU, but I haven't got a solid idea yet. INRA plays a large (and very negative) role in one of the ED novels as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were involved. But they operate ABOVE fed and imp governments, and I doubt they have petty politics in mind, nor would Hudson cover up anything from INRA. I have three things I want to test, but they are so depressingly stupid I won't mention it until I've done them.

I agree with you, it's more complicated than that, I strongly believe Hudson was oblivious to what had happened to SS1...At least until he got elected as president. He didn't pull the strings to kill Halsey and get the post. However, he got informed of the true reason once elected and couldn't share it with the public, because *Solid Tin activated* the reason why SS1 disappeared was because Halsey wanted to visit a Thargoid-related system after having talked to Mahon and the Thargoid FSD got crazy and KABOOM.
Same Thargoid FSD technology was used with Antares, but as it didn't have the modern security measure we have now, it failed easily.

Btw, was that PM from an FD staff account (name in bold)?

New account, no messages on the forum.

 

[Uncle Bert]

AEO Name - Why would FD rename one of their own objects unless as a clue

I agree with you here (and on other things, but focus) FD can give us clues in a limited number of ways. Objects in game with descriptions, system descriptions, Galnet (doesn't require game updates), and through programmed reaction to our actions within the Elite universe. As we know, Galnet posts are carefully edited (see the submitted and published versions of the recent Canonn article) so details in these articles should be given as much consideration by us or we risk missing something.

UB

 

[Anjin]

I'm glad everyone is still experimenting. I keep thinking back to what Michael Brookes said:

Another issue is that we're not always able to react, although some of the changes for 1.4 will help with that.

Which suggests to me that it's possible aspects of the UA behaviour could change without a major update (we don't have to wait for 1.5 to land). It could even be a (seemingly) minor change, like their discovery positions shift.

That being said, has anyone decoded any morse from the UAs recently? Are they still drawing pictures of scanned ships? Maybe the devices have evolved again while we weren't listening as closely.

 

[rizal72]

Source? Do you think they'd say it if it had alien technology in it?



I agree with you, it's more complicated than that, I strongly believe Hudson was oblivious to what had happened to SS1...At least until he got elected as president. He didn't pull the strings to kill Halsey and get the post. However, he got informed of the true reason once elected and couldn't share it with the public, because *Solid Tin activated* the reason why SS1 disappeared was because Halsey wanted to visit a Thargoid-related system after having talked to Mahon and the Thargoid FSD got crazy and KABOOM.
Same Thargoid FSD technology was used with Antares, but as it didn't have the modern security measure we have now, it failed easily.

New account, no messages on the forum.

Dear Popov, as I'm with you and your assumptions, I'm giving you a gift:
This post and the following one deserve a very careful reading. And REP that guy after reading.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=177389&page=2&p=2755442&viewfull=1#post2755442

 

[Dommarraa]

Travelled out from Merope to California for a version check.
Last SSS (Medical Convoy) spotted in SYNUEFAI NY-V B21-1, which is 250ly from Merope (650 from Sol?)
Bimbled around California for a while, scanning quite a few of the planets (there are not that many populated systems)
Nothing spotted except Salvage, no interesting contents, was hoping for a Gigantic Data so I could see how much they are worth but only found a Large

Sol/Merope/California really are in a straight line. This snip was taken from California with Merope dead center.

 

[who?]

They might be transmitting to Merope. Or they might be transmitting/receiving in respect to Merope. So Merope could be a significant place because of what is there, or it could be a significant place because it is a zero point on a coordinate system for instance.

If the UAs are alien in origin, maybe they're path-finders: Merope is the designated invasion^h^h^h^h arrival point, and each UA is travelling there, scanning each stepping stone along the way - in addition to the ships they encounter - and broadcasting them back to source. Much the same way traceroute packets transmit their hop destination back.

I guess if they're really, REALLY old, then it makes sense. If stars drift, then jumpable pathways will open/close over time. Sending out a swarm of UAs to trace the navigable routes to a destination and broadcast them back is an important step in preparing for an invastion. Sorry, "visit"!

 

[CMDR Corlas]

This talk of the UA's transmitting into stars has triggered ancient memories of myth and legends, from galaxies and races that never really were. Probably not relevant at all, but here you go:

In primordial space, timeless creatures
made waves. These waves created us and the
others. Waves were the battles, and the
battles were waves.

Fleeing all W'rkncacnter, Yrro and Pthia

settled upon Lh'owon. They brought the

S'pht, servants who began to shape the

deserts of Lh'owon into marsh and sea,

rivers and forests. They made sisters for

Lh'owon to protect and maintain the paradise.

When the W'rkncacnter came, Pthia was

killed, and Yrro in anger, flung the

W'rkncacnter into the sun. The sun burned

them, but they swam on its surface.

And less poetically:

According to the legends of a thousand worlds
only a few of which are still habitable, the
W'rkncacnter are those things that live in
chaos, creating it around them. At the
beginning of the universe, they were
unmistakable in their entities, but as time
has gone by, their existence has become
difficult to detect among the chaotic
elements of the universe, hidden in stars,
trapped in storms, forever looking along the
event horizons of black holes. Setting one
free in ordered space is difficult and insane.

Ah, memories...

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And just like that, I'm terrified at what secrets the UA's might hold.

 

[Popov Le Magnifique]

Dear Popov, as I'm with you and your assumptions, I'm giving you a gift:
This post and the following one deserve a very careful reading. And REP that guy after reading.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=177389&page=2&p=2755442&viewfull=1#post2755442

Too bad I can only rep him once. So have a rep as well! Thank you so much, I've posted my full theory as well. The tinfoil is strong though, so beware.

I think the more we are, the better we can find Antares.