I read that post as a statement of how s/he uses all three game modes, not what s/he thinks of others who use those game modes.
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I read that post as a statement of how s/he uses all three game modes, not what s/he thinks of others who use those game modes.
here ya go - I just made a pot. It's a rather nice oolong. FWIW, That was how I read the comment too, as reflecting on their own reasons for playing in each mode. That may be my own bias talking though, because while not identical they are pretty close to my own perception of how the different play modes match up to my moods
To me, "He should have known what he was buying" is just simplistic and lazy. It is used over and over again in this thread. It's not an argument. It's not an opinion. It's nothing. The only time it could come close to a valid argument would be in response to someone who demands a refund because they didn't know that there was X mode. Then you can point to the references and say, "Well, it does say there are different modes."
My wife's SUV has a mode selector in it. It can select 2WD, 4WD (auto), and 4WD lock. I'm still not entirely sure why that thing is there. My wife certainly doesn't know what conditions each mode would be suited to. I could probably guess at a few but would likely forget it was there most of the time. I'd probably just leave it in 4WD lock mode thinking, "Why not? Surely 4WD would be better in the majority of scenarios?"
In the above paragraph, I have indicated my confusion around a feature in my wife's vehicle. I have also given an opinion about one of the modes in particular. I might add that I'm not entirely sure that we paid any attention to this particular feature when purchasing the vehicle. Now, I could think of a number of responses to the above:
(a) "Actually, you can be grateful the car has this feature. You don't necessarily want to be in 4WD all the time. Here's why..."
(b) "I wouldn't leave it in 4WD. I'd leave it in 2WD instead."
(c) "2WD sucks. 4WD is the only way to go!"
(d) "You should have known what you were buying."
To me: (a) would likely be useful; (b) and (c) are opinions, which may encourage me to look at the modes in a different way; but (d) is just plain useless.
However, the reason it is used so much in this thread and all those that get merged here is that we're talking about a fundamental core feature of the game, that all players in whatever mode are playing in the same universe and they can therefore switch modes as they choose for any play session without any loss of progress or other penalty. The "you should have known what you were buying" response is usually in reply to some player ranting that this feature has to be changed to "fix" the game. If they don't like that feature to the extent it totally ruins the game for them (which some claim but I suspect way fewer actually feel) then that response is perfectly reasonable - if it's that much of a deal breaker, then why did they buy the game in the first place?
Yes, you are right, that argument is used a lot, and perhaps it is flawed, but the problem is that the posters that it is aimed at are proposing to have the game changed from what it is to something it isn't.
Their position in this case is not reasonable, especially when it would quite probably adversely affect people who have bought the game who are happy with it as it is, or indeed purchased it because of the features that are being attacked.
So if it's game breaking for those people who want the game to be different, perhaps they should ask for a refund, but I don't see why they feel they should be entitled to have the game changed to suit them.
I bought Elite Dangerous only because it allows mode switching and a single BGS in all modes. How PvP is handled was one of the first things I searched informations about.
Discussions like this have been going on for over a year now. The core question of this thread is, do we need an Open PvE mode? The simple answer is no, we don't because we already have it, its called a private group. There are already very large player policed private groups dedicated to PvE style of game play. The need is already being fulfilled.
I am one of those people what would prefer there to be just one game mode, Open. I am however positive that it would never work with the current implementation. With no real consequences for being a hat, hats come out of the void like a bad plague. Its just the nature of the internet. And who but an hat wants to play on a server filled with hats. Elite Dangerous is a PvP game, but its not PvP focused and its the first, if I am not mistaken, in this series to even offer PvP.
I am one of those people what would prefer there to be just one game mode, Open. I am however positive that it would never work with the current implementation. With no real consequences for being a hat, hats come out of the void like a bad plague. Its just the nature of the internet. And who but an hat wants to play on a server filled with hats. Elite Dangerous is a PvP game, but its not PvP focused and its the first, if I am not mistaken, in this series to even offer PvP.
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It is? <scratches head>
Person A buys Game because it wants what the Game offers
Person B buys Game but it expected something diffrent
Question: Why should now Person A pay for the fault of Person B by changing the game to what Person B wants? I'm old fashioned, I believe everybody is responsible for its own faults and not other people.
Person B buys Game but it expected something diffrent
Question: Why should now Person A pay for the fault of Person B by changing the game to what Person B wants? I'm old fashioned, I believe everybody is responsible for its own faults and not other people.
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Very well put. After over a year of playing in Open, on Saturday I finally gave up and joined Mobius. As a casual gamer, with plenty of other commitments (like many here), my gaming time is limited and enjoying that time is perhaps disproportionally more important to me (and I suspect others in the same situation). Getting blown away while flying an unarmed trader, with relatively little cargo, and losing somewhere between 1 & 1.5M worth of credits was annoying and not very enjoyable. My T7 was insured and I have some cash in the bank, so generally, no biggy, but still annoying as I'm not 'minted'. I'm not entirely sure what 'The Code' get out of blowing away an unarmed trader, but if that floats their boat, great. I gave it a chance, it doesn't float mine, and I'll go play elsewhere - one fewer target for them, more fun for me. I encountered other, similar, incidents previously and like everyone else I know that's part of playing in Open, and that's fine - I accepted the risk. I've now realised I just don't want that negative experience though.
So in summary, people can choose to play how they want, but don't expect me to choose to be cannon fodder for other peoples amusement, because that's no fun for me.
Philosophically, I'd like everyone to play in Open, and realistically, playing in Mobius means I will probably enjoy the game more from now on.....
As an aside, in the first few days of playing in Mobius, I've had a much more social experience. I've seen way more real CMDRs, and flying in and out of the busy CG station people say 'Hi', and let you know when they are in and outbound, which is actually really useful in a busy space. Maybe that's an exception rather than the rule, and time will tell. So far though, I'm wishing I'd made the jump months ago.
Second aside, 'The Code' makes me think of the 'Green Cross Code' so from now on I shall think of them as "The Tufty Club" - Google is your friend if you are not from the UK resident and/or are too young to know what I'm on about
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...Second aside, 'The Code' makes me think of the 'Green Cross Code' so from now on I shall think of them as "The Tufty Club" - Google is your friend if you are not from the UK resident and/or are too young to know what I'm on about
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Limey expat and an '84 cmdr here, so yes I got it and you nearly owed me a new keyboard from having me snort my coffee all over it. +rep.
More like approaching three years and the stance by the game developers is unchanged.
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An Open only game would bore me to tears. What's exciting to you can be dull and tedious to others. People differ in personality types, and Frontier have wisely embraced this diversity with the differing modes.
Cheers, Phos.
Sounds like my old games master on the weekly cross-country run, does that - hated it!
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