And why would some not find a home?
You can solo via not letting anyone in, you can pve in Mobius, you can team up with others on a session basis.
and if need be, I'd start a pseudo open mode under the current set up.
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And why would some not find a home?
You can solo via not letting anyone in, you can pve in Mobius, you can team up with others on a session basis.
and if need be, I'd start a pseudo open mode under the current set up.
Well, would we remove open and solo the Xbox players would be really screwed. Poor Guys.
So far they have done a lot of modification on the CryEngine, and the parts that they have published run smoother at 4k with all bells and whistles than Elite (which has occasional stutters, especially entering systems) does on my rig. And it looks a lot better as well.
They are constantly reworking the way they model ships, damage states, they are trying themselves at an FPS now..there's plenty of R&D involved. It's not like downloading your CryEngine starter kit, doing some modeling et voila.
We must not forget that CryEngine was groundbreaking in the mid-2000s, where it saw first mainstream deployment, but it was neglected by Crytech and did not make much advancements, as can be seen by their Crysis games (first one is still the best and most impressive one).
So far, nothing FD has delivered impressed me on the technical side. It's all very basic. PG has been good before, that's one of Braben's specialties, and it worked in Frontier - Elite II for example. In other parts, I'm utterly disappointed, for example the broken route planner and the software release management. It doesn't seem like they are actually working on improving the underlaying tech of the game.
On the gameplay side, it's different - they have achieved an excellent remake that feels like a proper Elite game, despite the flaws with the flight model.
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Well I'm happy to agree to differ.
I don't think we can really judge how SC will run until it's actually launched in something approaching it's finished state.
And ED is a long way off being finished too.
Hmm... no comment!
Off-topic, but: Really? Personally I think Crysis 2 (CryEngine 3) is much prettier than Crysis (CryEngine 2), and Ryse (CryEngine, but effectively CryEngine 3.6+ - also the same base engine SC is using) is absolutely glorious.
The thing is, FDev are using their own proprietary game engine, COBRA, which is currently in its 4th generation (just like CryEngine?). However, unlike CryEngine, which has had sporadic development since 2006, COBRA has been in development since 1988, and has been developed from the start as a purpose built cross-platform engine. They haven't licensed the technology from a third party developer and then crow-barred their own work on top of it; they've taken something they designed themselves and modified it to do the job they want it to do.
Add to that the work that they've done with the Stellar Forge, and I for one have been mightily impressed with the work FDev have done. As another commenter has said, this is a 2014 game that still runs smoothly (and in HD) on my, quite frankly, low spec desktop PC with on-board graphics. I may not be getting the 60+FPS results that others are getting, but I can still happily go hunting in a Hi Intensity CZ without any reduction in performance on Medium graphics settings - there aren't that many other games from last year I can say the same for.
On that score I'd fully agree (except the flight model bit - I think that's fine as it is) - E: D is an excellent remake of the original Elite, and takes me all the way back to my childhood every time I climb into the cockpit.
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You talking Frontier Elite/First Encounters - or the original Elite?
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I am surprised - but there you go! For me, ED is Frontier III, not Elite IV, and has very little in common with the original.The original Elite, the '84 vintage. Yes, I *am* that old....
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If you were in your childhood in '84, then you ain't old!
I think a lot of it has to do with perception and nostalgia. For me, the original '84 Elite was the cream of the crop, whereas Frontier and FFE just didn't hit the mark as far as I was concerned. As a result, when I compare E: D to the three previous games the sensawunda I get from this latest incarnation more closely matches that which I got from the first game more than I got from Frontier and FFE.
As far as I'm concerned E: D does definitely seem to be more closely related to the '84 original than to the two sequels, though of course I am comparing it to a game that I haven't played for over a decade and a half, and furthermore, one which I'm remembering through rose-tinted memories, so perhaps that's leaving my own personal comparison well off target.
And of course, other people's opinions may (and probably will) vary. It's what makes life so interesting at times
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I consider ED (core game) to be a souped up remake of the original game, with a few bits and pieces taken from frontier.
content wise I feel right now ED sits half way between elite and frontier (we got some of the missions, the "news", and the multiple ships, but lacking some of the missions, some of the station variation and planetary landing as well.
The flight model (FAon) I feel is far closer to the original game than to Frontier, and whilst FA off gives some of the feel from Frontier I reckon for the masses, FAon is the more used flight model.
The difficulty bears no relation to any of them...... (albeit when you do get blown up the penalty is far far higher - no save scumming here!) - (try touching a station when docking in original elite!)
PS I absolutely love EDs flight model, both FA on and Off
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No argument there, the flight model is excellent!
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Lol you have to be kidding me. So let me get this straight, in a thread ostensibly about debating the merits and giving feedback about the different modes, if someone wants or feels any different than leaving the game completely as it is they are willfully stupid, and it's flippant and disrespectful?
That is straight up trolling. Your right this forum is public. But shouting the same thing over and over in the middle of a conversation, at this point thousands upon thousands of times, is so utterly ridiculous and anti social I frankly can't believe the mods let you do it. Or I wouldn't if they weren't here participating and echoing these exact same sentiments.
Khelder was right. But like him I'm done arguing (frankly I'm done with this game it's completely devoid of soul) it doesn't matter. You should just auto reply with your insane collection of dev quotes and "you bought the wrong game" to every post and be done with it.
And Robert if you had the courage of your convictions the right thing to do would be lock the threads instead of merging and shut this one down if you don't believe the opposing viewpoints are worthy of consideration because every person who is unfortunate enough to wander in here gets heaps of abuse for having the audacity to have a different opinion than the game as conceived is 100% perfect. How is this conversation not going to boil over? Lol.
The context the conversation is being had in is sorta relevant.
Of course not, and that's not the kind of poster Jockey was referring to (I think, I'll be corrected when I'm wrong). I hope he doesn't mind me using him as an example, but Jordan Cobalt had been arguing for a while in these thread arguing the opposite position mostly, doing exactly what you described, debating the merits and giving feedback about the different modes, and discussion breaks out, and although heated sometimes, he'd not be the willfully stupid referred to, but just has a different take on it which he's willing to throw out there.
The willfully stupid, flippant and disrespectful is: I bought this game not knowing about the modes, but now I found out I hate it and this must be changed stat!
It's stupid to expect others to rectify a mistake you made. It's flippant and disrespectful to those who bought the game liking the mode mechanics.
In that case I wish you more fun in other games.
Actually, these threads, this being the third incarnation, is usually not used for 'discussing the merit' often, but actually for 'dissing the soloist' usually on the basis that they are ruining people's game by not appearing in Open to be blasted by kids with more time than sense.
So... yes. There have been many defenses of the Status Quo...
So... yes. There have been many defenses of the Status Quo...
There is no "debate" when someone just screams and shouts for Solo / Group to be removed or for Open to gain special privileges over the other modes - that is not by any stretch of the imagination about "giving feedback" - that is blindly buying something then throwing a tantrum afterwards when it does not what you've assumed it is.
Also, Frontier Developments themselves have repeated the same thing over and over - they are keeping the modes and the ability to mode switch.
So please, tell me what is there to "debate"?
All this information has been available for 3 years. So a person blindly buying a game at this stage and then complaining it was not designed to meet their personal needs is being willfully stupid.
You may also like to know, as this is more information you are missing - this thread is the merge target for when people try to make new threads about the modes / mode switching or disguise threads on the topic. We needed a merge target as a handful of people at the start were basically abusing the forums by rewording the same arguments to remove Solo and cluttering the message boards with junk threads all about the modes. It was decided to just start merging them as it was easier than keep locking them. So if someone ends up in here, it is because they are using ages old arguments or tricks to push the same agenda - an Open Only game.... which has been dealt with by FD, the answer was "No".
This has nothing to do with what Robert wants or his convictions by the way - the mega threads started long before he was a mod.
So petty name calling of a mod is not only arrogant but uncalled for and against the TOS for the forums - more information you didn't read I take it?
Okay, last off-topic post on this matter and then I'll get out of everyone's way...
I've considered it a few times but haven't sone so because I *know* it would shatter my childhood illusions. Just like George Lucas did with the Star Wars prequels...
I'd say that pretty much sums it up, and says what I was having difficulty putting into words that made sense...
I love the flight model too, though I admit I'm strictly a FAon gal myself - I just don't have the chops to handle FAoff (and I have tried a few times now).
Right, enough OT nonsense from me. I promise.
I've considered it a few times but haven't sone so because I *know* it would shatter my childhood illusions. Just like George Lucas did with the Star Wars prequels...
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I consider ED (core game) to be a souped up remake of the original game, with a few bits and pieces taken from frontier.
content wise I feel right now ED sits half way between elite and frontier (we got some of the missions, the "news", and the multiple ships, but lacking some of the missions, some of the station variation and planetary landing as well.
The flight model (FAon) I feel is far closer to the original game than to Frontier, and whilst FA off gives some of the feel from Frontier I reckon for the masses, FAon is the more used flight model.
The difficulty bears no relation to any of them...... (albeit when you do get blown up the penalty is far far higher - no save scumming here!) - (try touching a station when docking in original elite!)
PS I absolutely love EDs flight model, both FA on and Off
I'd say that pretty much sums it up, and says what I was having difficulty putting into words that made sense...
I love the flight model too, though I admit I'm strictly a FAon gal myself - I just don't have the chops to handle FAoff (and I have tried a few times now).
Right, enough OT nonsense from me. I promise.
+rep.
It is a shame for every Jordan Cobalt type poster we have and can chat with, we get 100 more that fit my description.
Makes it hard sometimes to figure who is who.
Not to mention those who like to just kick start the thread for giggles with inflammatory remarks and comments regarding they types of people that use each mode.
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I wouldn't make that promise if I were you.... this thread bounces around topics quite regularly.
You know what it's been OT for too long, Yaffle or Ian turn up to tell us off.
It's like having an extra set of parents, though I'm not sure who is mum and who is dad
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