Proven cheaters still in open.

[Nitek [pl]]

Kaushpoos CG. Imagine my surprise when I saw a proven, reported multiple times and bragging on TS cheater in open.
He was supposed not to be there. Many commanders tried to get him banned for his deeds and guess what. HE IS STILL THERE.

This is very dissapointing.

 

[g.eoff]

Because of this, I now only play in Mobius.

 

[vindicator jones]

Kaushpoos CG. Imagine my surprise when I saw a proven, reported multiple times and bragging on TS cheater in open.
He was supposed not to be there. Many commanders tried to get him banned for his deeds and guess what. HE IS STILL THERE.

This is very dissapointing.

Many wont like my solution... 3 Strikes and your out.. Meaning If you are found cheating (by the devs) 3 times, then you are banned for life. No refund, no nothing. Your account is closed. Your IP recorded and blocked.

I came across a cheater the other day. hull went down to 3% and just sat there... But I did manage to disable their Powerplant then engines, until he logged off..

 

[Nitek [pl]]

g.eoff
Well this is not a solution. You are missing out Cmdr.
The cheaters are very rare and most of open players know their names. We can't name and shame them here but we can on youtube and reddit.
Open play is Elite. Mobius - well it's like solo. I also did some solo time and boy I was missing out. I have many friends now, diplomatic contacts between clans, wars, alliances. THIS IS IT :]
If you want - come and try flying with us - Cmdr Nitek [pl] [find me in game] - and you will meet a bunch of great guys.

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Many wont like my solution... 3 Strikes and your out.. Meaning If you are found cheating (by the devs) 3 times, then you are banned for life. No refund, no nothing. Your account is closed. Your IP recorded and blocked.

I came across a cheater the other day. hull went down to 3% and just sat there... But I did manage to disable their Powerplant then engines, until he logged off..

Jones this cmdr was bragging that his cheating is undetectable. It leaves no trace. Only video evidence and if he wants to cheat - he can do it in solo. He even said that 10.000 merits can be done in 2 hrs in a crime sweep :] There you go.

 

[vindicator jones]

g.eoff
Well this is not a solution. You are missing out Cmdr.
The cheaters are very rare and most of open players know their names. We can't name and shame them here but we can on youtube and reddit.
Open play is Elite. Mobius - well it's like solo. I also did some solo time and boy I was missing out. I have many friends now, diplomatic contacts between clans, wars, alliances. THIS IS IT :]
If you want - come and try flying with us - Cmdr Nitek [pl] [find me in game] - and you will meet a bunch of great guys.

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Jones this cmdr was bragging that his cheating is undetectable. It leaves no trace. Only video evidence and if he wants to cheat - he can do it in solo. He even said that 10.000 merits can be done in 2 hrs in a crime sweep :] There you go.

If you can note the day, time and system your in, including the commanders name, Frontier can check their records for any discrepancies.. If they see a players shield or hull not taking any damage even though they are being fired upon, then they know there is a strong possibility of someone cheating. I am sure they have an internal system to deal with these sorts of things. Best thing you can do, is video it, note it, and report it. As for his boasts.. I call B/S.. but I dont cheat, so I dont know for certain.

 

[Arindor]

Open play is Elite.

To some perhaps, not all. I prefer solo as it's closer to offline (i.e. no pesky humans to spoil my game), and I want ED to feel like the original in this respect.

IMO, the dirty side of online gaming sullies ED (et al.). Unfortunately we'll never be rid of it, and it's a shame FD can't issue perma-bans, just to prove that they mean business. One could argue that the only way to make an online game "fair" is to be tough on cheaters through tough measures, not half-hearted weak ones.

 

[Brett C]

We do investigate cheating reports as they come in. If a player is found to be cheating/hacking/exploiting, we will take actions against the player doing whatever it may be. The severity of the punishment greatly depends on if they're repeat offenders and what they were doing.

For the record, cheating in open isn't as widespread as what some have said in the past. In fact, it's a rather small subset of players feeling the need to take advantage of exploits, hacking the game client, and performing malicious actions in the game world. We do punish players who decide to go that route be it if our automated anti cheat tags them or if people report the player.

 

[Dakron Nova]

We do investigate cheating reports as they come in. If a player is found to be cheating/hacking/exploiting, we will take actions against the player doing whatever it may be. The severity of the punishment greatly depends on if they're repeat offenders and what they were doing.

For the record, cheating in open isn't as widespread as what some have said in the past. In fact, it's a rather small subset of players feeling the need to take advantage of exploits, hacking the game client, and performing malicious actions in the game world. We do punish players who decide to go that route be it if our automated anti cheat tags them or if people report the player.

Hi Brett

I'm sure FD are doing all they can, but it might build confidence if you publish the number of warnings, bans and perma-bans you carry out on a monthly basis.

 

[Nitek [pl]]

Yes - publishing the ban stats would at least make us feel that something is being done about that problem.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

… Your IP recorded and blocked.…

In Germany IP addresses are often shared by a lot of customers of an ISP. It's getting worse as now the ISPs started to use ISP wide NAT for IPv4.
I get a new IP every 24h.

I guess - hope - game developers can come up with better ways to prevent or punish hacking.

 

[AnnuverScotinExile]

We do investigate cheating reports as they come in. If a player is found to be cheating/hacking/exploiting, we will take actions against the player doing whatever it may be. The severity of the punishment greatly depends on if they're repeat offenders and what they were doing.

For the record, cheating in open isn't as widespread as what some have said in the past. In fact, it's a rather small subset of players feeling the need to take advantage of exploits, hacking the game client, and performing malicious actions in the game world. We do punish players who decide to go that route be it if our automated anti cheat tags them or if people report the player.

The problem, as you presumably know perfectly well, is that if you do take action, that action is a slap on the wrist - a day or two on the naughty step. Serial miscreants have been boasting of getting away with it or getting insignificant actions against them on reddit for months. We see the same people doing it for ages, and nothing seems to happen (i.e. they are still there). On the kickstarter, there was an FAQ entry about griefing. (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/description) It was quite long and detailed:

An obvious danger is an advanced player with a big well-armed ship in a busy system spends their time just picking off beginners, for fun.

To understand how this will be stopped requires a little bit of understanding how real player ships will be treated slightly differently to non-player ships. Players will automatically be part of a “Pilot’s Federation” and will be identified as such, together with their ranking and name. Bounties are paid by this Federation – something that is therefore much higher for those that kill other Federation members. It will be balanced so that this cannot be used as an exploit (so a beginner killing a beginner is taken less seriously than an Elite pilot killing a beginner – it will be based on the ranking difference).

There are four separate ways we will address this:

1. The offender will very quickly get a serious price on their head (bounty) and criminal record. That price on their head will attract bounty hunters.

2. Local police or military will respond very quickly and strongly to them.

3. It will be legitimate for other players to attack them for the attractive bounty without attracting a bounty for themselves, as once there is a bounty on their head they are officially a pirate and ‘free game’ for everyone.

4. If enough players complain about the offender's behaviour in a certain time, then they will be banned from this group.

Hands up anyone who thinks FD have implemented that?

 

[Tarman]

The problem, as you presumably know perfectly well, is that if you do take action, that action is a slap on the wrist - a day or two on the naughty step. Serial miscreants have been boasting of getting away with it or getting insignificant actions against them on reddit for months. We see the same people doing it for ages, and nothing seems to happen (i.e. they are still there). On the kickstarter, there was an FAQ entry about griefing. (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous/description) It was quite long and detailed:



Hands up anyone who thinks FD have implemented that?

Don't you ever get tired of mentioning things from the DDF that haven't materialized yet? Like, literally tired of bringing them up all the time, there are so many.

Not a dig at you as a person in the least, I tend to enjoy most of your posting, but more to the point that there are buttloads of things that haven't been/will never be done out of that thing. It's acronym really should be DOA. It seems like a waste of time and sanity to keep mentioning things from there that don't exist and probably won't.

 

[Oogie Boogie]

There are not many players using cheats or hacking, but these discussions always leaves us with a bad feeling. There is minimal feedback information from Frontier back to the player base. Only that procedures are in place and Frontier will handle this. With every new thread about this, some people will leave the open game which is not necessary. In RL you would not stop drive your car, because you read in the news that a drunken car driver made an accident.

We do report these players, even upload the videos on YouTube (check my channel). Appreciate more substance then just warn words from Frontier to feel more safe, that they do the best they can.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Don't you ever get tired of mentioning things from the DDF that haven't materialized yet? Like, literally tired of bringing them up all the time, there are so many.

Not a dig at you as a person in the least, I tend to enjoy most of your posting, but more to the point that there are buttloads of things that haven't been/will never be done out of that thing. It's acronym really should be DOA. It seems like a waste of time and sanity to keep mentioning things from there that don't exist and probably won't.

what he posted was from the kickstarter i think, and not a Design Decision.
Even though I think using the Design Decision documents is valid (imo) for when mechanics are lacking and what I would like to see added, quoting the kickstarter should have even more weight behind it.

For all the extra eye candy of the PC version, this is where console gaming beats the PC hands down imo... Players cant run modified code on their XB1, so other than cable pulling or lagging out, there is not much they can do, and IF the XB1 ever is hacked to run unsigned code, M$ will have no worries at all about banning the console from online (I know from experience after I repaired my XBox 360 with a drive from another dead machine)
Later on (thankfully after I had replaced my banned machine) MS raised the anti even more, by having any console banned from xbox live actively corrupt any game save made on it, so they you could not even cheat offline with an exploited console and then go online with said game save. M$ did their best to rule with an iron fist, and even though I got caught in the shrapnel as an innocent victim over all I think it was a great way to protect their service.

 

[Imrus76]

Cheaters=instantly clear his/her save and start again in a sindwinder, 2nd cheat delete the account.
Only this is effective against cheaters, for example if you try to cheat on Xbox, your machine is banned from Live forever, you can buy a new one if you want to play online! No sorry for cheaters!

 

[VR jefranklin18]

Cheaters=instantly clear his/her save and start again in a sindwinder, 2nd cheat delete the account.
Only this is effective against cheaters, for example if you try to cheat on Xbox, your machine is banned from Live forever, you can buy a new one if you want to play online! No sorry for cheaters!

I have to agree. All cheaters should be instantly banned and repeated griefers put into their own instance. It is the only way people are going to come out from solo or private groups. Personally, I am sticking with Möbius until I see an equivalent site to whywasibanned.com for ED. ☺

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

Same old words from FD.

Some people want to watch the world burn - you know it, I know it, yet you do nothing about it.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Same old words from FD .. all mouth, no action.

No published action, no.

 

[Tinman]

Hi Brett

I'm sure FD are doing all they can, but it might build confidence if you publish the number of warnings, bans and perma-bans you carry out on a monthly basis.

I don't really see how that would help them gain confidence. All I see is a no win scenario.

1. Publishes numbers showing lots of people getting banned. "Hey look how much cheating is happening in the game!!!"

2. Publishes numbers showing a small number of bans. "This can't be right! This obviously means lots of cheaters are getting away with it!!!"



Personally I have never come across an obvious cheat used by another player in-game. Doesn't mean it isn't happening of course, but considering that I've been playing since Alpha 1 I should have seen it at least once if it was a common occurrence.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

No published action, no.

I changed my post that you quoted, however I will defend the words all the same.

It doesn't matter that they have not published any numbers, and for what it's worth I would argue that they shouldn't anyway, but reread the title of this thread - KNOWN exploiters are back in the game : FD's words aren't worth [insert suitable word here] They have a track record of saying one thing and doing another.

Judge people, not by what they say, but by what they do.