Proven cheaters still in open.

[Hurricane Moon]

i dont think its a problem if used in solo mode myself....i couldnt care less about the bgs
pc is a open platform,its like some of you are new to all this......all games have trainers or scripts....

what is wrong is if a large group started to go into open and be a terrorist group....or the reverse...a invincible justice group thats there to help....thats when the balance would really get unfair...

its like gta v...mods and the native trainer...are part and parcel of it.


i have been into computers since the 80s......there always been clever coders out there...and for every positive code,a negative code will be made.

ying and yang
black and white
simon and garfunkel

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

They do seem to have a penchant for identifying abuses of game mechanics and then exploiting them to the hilt.

I rest my case.

 

[Robert Maynard]

i dont think its a problem if used in solo mode myself....i couldnt care less about the drm.

Not acceptable in any game mode - all modes (and platforms) affect the single shared galaxy state - and the gains from cheating can be taken into Open whenever the cheater chooses (unless action has been taken against them).

 

[Robert Maynard]

I rest my case.

Given that a video of their activities seems to show them getting destroyed a number of times, are they cheating?

 

[Arubeto]

Whaaaaat please don't tell me I'm the only one who doesnt speed!

Don't worry, I try to avoid speeding, too. Doesn't fit the character I am RP'ing

 

[Nutter]

Whaaaaat please don't tell me I'm the only one who doesnt speed!

There is a speed limit? Woot!?

 

[RidingTheFlow]

i dont think its a problem if used in solo mode myself....

Yeah, that's exactly why I was saying majority of cheating goes in solo, because many people don't even see it as illegal or doing any harm.

Even if solo, its not a single-player game.

They cheat, and farm millions fast, being able to afford most expensive ships - then them use these ships to go harass players in open, without fear of losing them (them have endless effortless supply of money), and them don't cheat in open so not afraid of being reported.

They cheat and earn 10x times more in bounties in CG events, placing them in the top and getting you biggest rewards.

How this is not a problem?

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

Given that a video of their activities seems to show them getting destroyed a number of times, are they cheating?

*sigh*

The fact that they are destroyed is irrelevant to their intentions. They are not cheating they are exploiting game mechanics to grief other players. IF they are destroyed that triggers the exploit and the game attributes blame to the other player.

 

[Hurricane Moon]

Given that a video of their activities seems to show them getting destroyed a number of times, are they cheating?

surely not if they are dying.....the mentality of a scripter going into open would be to dominate,not to get killed surely?.....this stuff does interest me,its been happening for years,and will continue to do so......

how do any of you know that a cheat doesnt exist that makes one invisible in ED?....if that happens then it really would be game over bad ju ju...
it is like the real world online it seems.....some are willing to play by the rules....and some take shortcuts........and some are of the attitude of....who is man to tell another what he can and cant do?

 

[Robert Maynard]

Come on now Robert - I would have never accused you of white knighting but this shows how close you are treading that thin line. The fact that they are destroyed is irrelevant to their intentions. They are not cheating they are exploiting game mechanics to grief other players.

It changes the complexion of the argument somewhat when the players in question are exploiting game mechanics. Other players have done so (blocking landing pads in Open, for example).

To change the discussion from "there are known cheaters in Open (again)" to "there are griefers" is quite a shift. Especially as there is no single un-contested definitive definition of what griefing is, much less what constitutes griefing in this game....

 

[Hurricane Moon]

Yeah, that's exactly why I was saying majority of cheating goes in solo, because many people don't even see it as illegal or doing any harm.

Even if solo, its not a single-player game.

They cheat, and farm millions fast, being able to afford most expensive ships - then them use these ships to go harass players in open, without fear of losing them (them have endless effortless supply of money), and them don't cheat in open so not afraid of being reported.

They cheat and earn 10x times more in bounties in CG events, placing them in the top and getting you biggest rewards.

How this is not a problem?

i agree with you totally.......but what about the peeps that love this game but have a desperate amount of time to play......say a hour or 2 a week because of such a hectic life...say they want to get the stuff fast without waiting and grinding for 3 years just to get what they want from the game....they can easily find the magic solutions out there and speed up the process...now if they were to stay in solo,and not abuse it would any of you still see that as a problem?

the real issue here i think is the dam BGS....i personally dont care for it,not into the pp stuff deeply,or the factions.

i forget that solo is still connected to the main online game....god i wish we could go back to the good old days of 80s bedroom programming and gaming..(well the attitude at least)

 

[Jukelo]

Given that a video of their activities seems to show them getting destroyed a number of times, are they cheating?

In the case of pricklingappendage, there is no cheating or hacking involved, and there is a very clear way of avoiding their shenanigans, that is to follow to the letter the rules set by the game developers.
Of course they are abusing the tendency people have of ignoring speed limits, but that's no more malicious than the police laying their radars in places where they know drivers are likely to become a bit over-enthusiastic.

It would be nice to avoid lumping together cheating, hacking and valid gameplay.

 

[RidingTheFlow]

i agree with you totally.......but what about the peeps that love this game but have a desperate amount of time to play......say a hour or 2 a week because of such a hectic life...say they want to get the stuff fast without waiting and grinding for 3 years just to get what they want from the game....they can easily find the magic solutions out there and speed up the process...now if they were to stay in solo,and not abuse it would any of you still see that as a problem?

Its a slippery slope. "I don't have enough time this weekend, but I want CG prize, so I have to cheat". "I have to get this Anaconda, and I don't want to play for month, so I have to cheat".
Then another person says "Well, I am a better player, but I am not letting cheater win, so I will cheat myself". And hell breaks loose.

Also this "no harm" excuse always reminds me of famous "I don't have money to buy this game, so I have to pirate it".

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

.some are willing to play by the rules....and some take shortcuts........and some are of the attitude of....who is man to tell another what he can and cant do?

and this is perfectly 100% acceptable for games which are not multiplayer. Like it or not however ED IS multiplayer, there is no way of escaping this fact, and playing in solo is still multiplayer.

 

[Robert Maynard]

In the case of pricklingappendage, there is no cheating or hacking involved, and there is a very clear way of avoiding their shenanigans, that is to follow to the letter the rules set by the game developers.
Of course they are abusing the tendency people have of ignoring speed limits, but that's no more malicious than the police laying their radars in places where they know drivers are likely to become a bit over-enthusiastic.

It would be nice to avoid lumping together cheating, hacking and valid gameplay.

Anecdotally there are some players who have been destroyed by the station, after being rammed (and the rammer blew-up), who were apparently not speeding. This casts a slightly different light on the activities of the two in question - if there is no way to avoid destruction, even if it is a bug, then they are exploiting a game mechanic, in my opinion.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

It changes the complexion of the argument somewhat when the players in question are exploiting game mechanics. Other players have done so (blocking landing pads in Open, for example).

To change the discussion from "there are known cheaters in Open (again)" to "there are griefers" is quite a shift. Especially as there is no single un-contested definitive definition of what griefing is, much less what constitutes griefing in this game....

Griefing is defined by a persons intent - 99% of the time you don't know what that is which explains why it's so hard to define.

Ask yourself a simple question then - based on the video evidence they released, what was their intent ?

When you examine that they deliberately damage their ship to the point of destruction; remove shields; then ram incoming ships .. ​what is their intention ?

 

[Hurricane Moon]

Its a slippery slope. "I don't have enough time this weekend, but I want CG prize, so I have to cheat". "I have to get this Anaconda, and I don't want to play for month, so I have to cheat".
Then another person says "Well, I am a better player, but I am not letting cheater win, so I will cheat myself". And hell breaks loose.

Also this "no harm" excuse always reminds me of famous "I don't have money to buy this game, so I have to pirate it".

true aswell
personally id prefer a bit of honesty in regards to the big P....its done because its easy,its free,and most of the games released these days are not worth a dam dime....

i reckon thats the truth of it lol....


anyway i feel im not helping here so i shall take my leave sirs...just being honest with my opinion

 

[Jukelo]

Anecdotally there are some players who have been destroyed by the station, after being rammed (and the rammer blew-up), who were apparently not speeding. This casts a slightly different light on the activities of the two in question - if there is no way to avoid destruction, even if it is a bug, then they are exploiting a game mechanic, in my opinion.

They themselves cannot reliably tell if a player is speeding, remember you can't see the speed of other ships. Now if there is such a bug I would indeed advise them to stop doing it until it is fixed, but maybe we should wait for some video evidence of people becoming wanted after a collision while not speeding and then give them a chance to react based on that before casting any judgement.

what is their intention ?

To teach people not to break the law or else the law comes crashing back into your windshield.

 

[Bigskill]

All thats is said make me think a lot. A person I know in game, declared me one day he is cheating while in solo private to get money, and is doing it since 6 months now, I repeatedly reported this to FD but he is still playing fine so.... If is true that FD is taking action why he still playing???? He was never warned nothing.
The true is that in open is easier to notice and report cheaters, but in the end the cheaters are also people that will buy expansion and produce profit so they will probably never perma banned from the game....
Peer to peer system is pretty bad for that....

 

[Robert Maynard]

Griefing is defined by a persons intent - 99% of the time you don't know what that is which explains why it's so hard to define.

Ask yourself a simple question then - based on the video evidence they released, what was their intent ?

When you examine that they deliberately damage their ship to the point of destruction; remove shields; then ram incoming ships .. ​what is their intention ?

We can only guess at their intentions....

Given that causing ships to be destroyed is part of the game, the main distinction in this case would seem to be that players are being "attacked" where they do not expect to be - and are being destroyed by the ramming or the station.

The inconvenience to the rammed player is very similar to losing a ship in combat or in a fully asymmetric interdiction / destruction - they lose their ship, cargo, exploration data, bounty vouchers, etc..