Sense, Sensibility and Nonsense: A Sensitive Inquiry About Race and E:D Idea of the Future

YOu might be interested to know that I did submit a question similar to the topic thread in the last stream, http://streamq.azurewebsites.net/: the question was "Are their dark-skinned humans (black people) in the Powerplay future of Elite? Will they ever be seen in prominent roles?" It was voted to the very bottom (scroll all the down on the above link); maybe because the general topic of the stream - Collectables - was seen as substantively different from the question I was asking, which is part of the reason I extended and "re-asked" it here.
You'll have my up vote again next time.
Worst that can happen is an "I don't know" because we asked the wrong person + a huge racist storm* in the chat.
We can weather that.

*edit: priceless censoring
 
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When I look at the list of characters though, they're all so .... so, very .... stereotypical.

I think that's very much on purpose - they want players to be able to just look at a power's portrait and get a good idea of their ethos. I don't think anyone here would be shocked to discover that Torval is a traditionalist, Hudson is a hawk or Aisling kinda wet behind the ears.
 
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I think pretty much, our future out there in the galaxy will have everyone of every colour, all over the place. And thanks to advances in science, I'm sure there'll be greens, blues, violets and whatever other colour you can think of.

This assumes that racism and geography will keep people from inter-mixing and mingling melanin levels.

Thankfully the reality is much lovelier than your antiquated rainbow notion, and by as early as 2050, this is what the average person will look like in America at least, and this will set a global trend as people migrate to avoid the consequences of global warming (eg Syria is just the beginning):


ng1a.jpg
 
This is a valid and interesting topic. Thanks for bringing it to the forum.

I personally don't believe in race. I never have - although, I feel compelled to describe myself as caucasian, when asked ... what does that even mean? Conversely, I do believe in culture - that the customs, stories, and belief systems of a shared group, bind that group together in their culture. I don't feel pride in being caucasian, but I do feel a sense of pride in my culture.

(Believe me - I'm not trying to NERF race here) ;) ...

I hear you on this. Indeed, if you ask someone in the United States, the UK and South Africa to define "black," they typically define it differently (that is, during my time in Scotland, I saw that "black" meant what a US citizen could define as a "person of color," et cetera)...it IS a social construction to my mind. Nonetheless, and maybe it IS tribal, I just was looking to see if anyone like me makes it to these futures, and my sense around it is relatively visceral, I do admit that. I continue to hope to explore that thoroughly, check myself and my own privilege (noting, for example, that my thread doesn't begin with exploring patriarchy, or LGBTIA perspective, but with race, for example) in that exploration, and offer to the community some marinated and meditative thoughts on the matter alongside my colleagues. :)
 
This assumes that racism and geography will keep people from inter-mixing and mingling melanin levels.

Thankfully the reality is much lovelier than your antiquated rainbow notion, and by as early as 2050, this is what the average person will look like in America at least, and this will set a global trend as people migrate to avoid the consequences of global warming (eg Syria is just the beginning):


http://cdn1.trueactivist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/ng1a.jpg

My antiquated "rainbow" notion was more to do with people choosing their colour!

As for your picture.... am I allowed to say "yummy" ? ;)
 
After 1300 years of interbreeding and extra-solar settlement I'm not convinced anyone would be black or white anyway. In fact any so called pure bloods by this time would probably turn out to be racists,whatever shade their skin is as they would have had to go out of their way to keep that bloodline pure by discrimination against other shades of people.

Personal admission here:

When I was a kid, I often used to fantasize that - in the future - there would be no more wars, your gender wouldn't matter, your sexual orientation wouldn't matter, and that we'd all be one homogeneous group of ... well, people.

Admittedly, I also thought we'd have one-piece jumpsuits, flying cars, food in a pill and contact with extra-terrestrials.

Sadly though, I think that we'll probably have more success with flying cars, jumpsuits, and meeting aliens before we manage to put aside our prejudices. Kinda sucks. I'm 46 now, and the world I've brought my kids into isn't any better or worse than the one I grew up in.

On the topic of prejudice ...

[video=youtube;KVN_0qvuhhw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw[/video]
Warning: some crude language
 
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Personal admission here:

When I was a kid, I often used to fantasize that - in the future - there would be no more wars, your gender wouldn't matter, your sexual orientation wouldn't matter, and that we'd all be one homogeneous group of ... well, people.

Admittedly, I also thought we'd have one-piece jumpsuits, flying cars, food in a pill and contact with extra-terrestrials.

Sadly though, I think that we'll probably have more success with flying cars, jumpsuits, and meeting aliens before we manage to put aside our prejudices. Kinda sucks. I'm 46 now, and the world I've brought my kids into isn't any better or worse than the one I grew up in.

On the topic of prejudice ...


Sadly it is not even our fault we can't put aside our prejudice. It is backed by millions of years of evolution saying the "other" is bad news.

While we have only taken babysteps to try and layer social norms over the reptilian brain response, it is going to take a very very long time to eliminate it from our hardwiring.

We are effectively the same age, and I am astounded by how much better the world was then when we were kids. But it might only be the California effect.
 
Excellent read and something quite close to my heart (I'm white, male, 30s and I'm well aware of the benefits of that particular setup) and I've lived all over the world and I'm totally anti-political-correctness, but aware of gender and racial inequalities.

I was always surprised at the accusations thrown at the Power Play setup, I thought that Patreus and Winters were black or of black-origin. I think the point raised by Ziljan is also a good one.

That said, yes, I hope in particular the NPC character forge just churn out the NPCs given a certain data set where their race or sex is just another statistic and honestly, never even referred to.
 
Personal admission here:

When I was a kid, I often used to fantasize that - in the future - there would be no more wars, your gender wouldn't matter, your sexual orientation wouldn't matter, and that we'd all be one homogeneous group of ... well, people.

Admittedly, I also thought we'd have one-piece jumpsuits, flying cars, food in a pill and contact with extra-terrestrials.

Sadly though, I think that we'll probably have more success with flying cars, jumpsuits, and meeting aliens before we manage to put aside our prejudices. Kinda sucks. I'm 46 now, and the world I've brought my kids into isn't any better or worse than the one I grew up in.

On the topic of prejudice ...


You submission reminds me of Haber trying to get George Orr to dream into reality a world without racism, and they wake up to a world where everyone is a uniform gray color. The diversity, as you capture, isn't the issue - the nonfactual pre-judgment on the basis of that diversity is the problem. Nice video, thanks.
 
I hear you on this. Indeed, if you ask someone in the United States, the UK and South Africa to define "black," they typically define it differently

It's even more nuanced than that. I grew up in South Africa, and I remember overhearing a conversation in my college campus where two black students were deriding an African American student who was clumsily trying to fit in. "Look man, you're not African anything, you're a Yank". This was in the 90's just after Nelson Mandela had been released from prison. That brief snippet of conversation taught me more about race and cultural relations than anything before or since.
 
Sadly though, I think that we'll probably have more success with flying cars, jumpsuits, and meeting aliens before we manage to put aside our prejudices. Kinda sucks. I'm 46 now, and the world I've brought my kids into isn't any better or worse than the one I grew up in.

I feel the opposite, really. I think we're making great strides in our struggles with prejudices, be it race, gender, gender identity, sexuality, nationality, or whatever else. Yes there seems to be a LOT of very visible conflict on these issues today, but I see two major points in that:

1) Modern media as it is, we're going to see a lot more of whatever generates views, if there's actually more of it existing or not. More reporting doesn't necessarily mean more occurrences, it usually just means more awareness and potentially more focus.

2) I see all the conflict we have about these issues as a healthy thing. It means that people are bringing these issues to the forefront, and forcing society to deal with these problems. We're sort of in the "tear off the bandage" stage. It means things can get ugly, sure, but it's also required for proper healing.

I am 33, and technically a "millennial", whatever that means, but in dealing with my peers, I see a very widespread acceptance and differences and widespread condemnation of intolerance. I mean, just look at how our culture is now: some of the most "fightin' words" insults you can call someone are things like "racist" or "bigot". I'm psyched for the future. :D
 
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