What has happened to chivalry?

[Lowievisser]

I had a wing of an FAS and a Dropship pull my Cobra 3 times. No interaction at the start, just guns blazing, stripping my shields. I escaped, 2nd pull, still firing with everything they had and then I get, 'If you stop, you will live'. Again shields gone and by the time I get back into SC, I am down to 47% hull. I thought I had got rid, but then an NPC pulls me: I submit as always and my two new friends drop in as well.

IMO this was just basic bullying, no cargo to offer them; they were just after the kill, nothing more.

I was then waiting for the 'Nerf the Cobra speed' thread here.

you know all the game mechanics? , its easy in your situation to escape with 100% hull , yes you are at a other star , but with bought time so you can think of your next strategy
there are a lot of places to dock and prolly after a while they are gone or even a other instance

 

[MottiKhan]

To me, it depends on the situation. I don't think it's reasonable to expect everyone to valiantly fight 1v1 with the others just looking on. THere are several reasons for pvp combat. Sparring in 1v1 is nice, but you might want to set up a 1v2 or wing v wing thing. If you're out in space, you can expect to be pirated or just simply ganked. it's part of the game.

I'd expect to be interdicted in a cargo ship. Not so much in a Viper or FDL. If it happens, you can see what the perp's motives are and whom they represent. Some pirates, such as The Code are honorable and are out for profit. Some aren't so honorable. Keep a High Wake target locked and the Jump to System mapped to a button/key. Just in case.

 

[Arry]

you know all the game mechanics? , its easy in your situation to escape with 100% hull , yes you are at a other star , but with bought time so you can think of your next strategy
there are a lot of places to dock and prolly after a while they are gone or even a other instance

I was heading home, why should I let a couple of bullies, make me change my plans? When they turned up the 3rd time; in the same instance as a wanted NPC Cobra; which I intended to take out. My heart did start to beat a little faster. To have them pull me in my Cobra, is not really something I see as an issue; it is fast enough to cope, but as the thread is about the pointlessness of wings attacking lone pilots, I thought I would mention it. My destination was home and they were an interesting few moments on the way, no need for high waking or changing my route.

 

[znôrt]

Chivalry died in the late 18th or century, I believe. It is unlikely that people in the E D Universe of the year 3300 even recognize the term.

thank you for pointing that out. historiography says a bit earlier, but this rotten bull fabricated to elevate some dubious moral narrative to legitimate the privileges and fuel the wars of the elite in the eyes of illiterate peasants actually still lingers on today, as you can well see. it's deep rooted and seems to have some primitive appeal that never gets old, so i could well believe this nonsense is still around in 3300 in some form. just look at the empire or the federation! our life is too short, our memory too thin, we never really learn.

So, can I make a plea to all players to respect chivalrous standards and only attack 1 vs 1?

are you asking for permission? you just did!

you can indeed ask anybody for a fair 1 on 1 and sure many will oblige, including me. expecting everybody else in the galaxy to share your same role playing fetishes is a bit futile, though, and gankers happen to gank and it's actually fair game. i suggest watching out and evading, or else just fight back and meet death with a grin. luckily here it's not the end!

 

[DragonIV]

Warfare is only romantic on paper. It's always been ugly in exercise.

 

[GunnerBill]

If everyone was Chivalrous, then who would know or care? It's only Chivalry because its occurrence is rare.

 

[Bartizan]

Weird, when I get interdicted by a wing, I squeal with glee.....more kills for me, suckers!!

 

[znôrt]

Haven't you heard of chivalry?

and now pretending to be someone who actually gave a potato on chivalry, i'd have to say: have you? a real knight would face a thousand gankers without hesitation knowing $deity at his side, and if he survived (optionally bathed in some white light of justice) he would never ever utter a single word about it, even less so degrade himself into such a plea!

 

[Sir DragonKing]

i would quit, ED if i couldn't team up on players with my friend, pluss if your clearly outmatch, there is no shame in running

 

[Arry]

Chivalry has been hidden away for many years. He got the message to keep his head down; after being slapped down by one too many feminists.

 

[ShimEnki]

I would think those citizens that are being whacked out of the blue from those BB missions feel the same ...I am sure they are shaking their heads too ..

 

[Sysmon]

3:1 odds are good according to military tactics! Ask Sun Tzu!

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So, you jump out of Witchspace into a system and start accelerating to a space station, when all of a sudden you get interdicted and pounced upon by a wing of 3 players! 3 on 1 right? Where is the sport and chivalry in that? The thrill of one-on-one combat should be the rule for every player who wants to engage in player vs player combat (fair enough, player vs NPC is different because it's the game mechanics). Are players so cowardly that they need to group together to attack a solo player? Do they need to "hold hands", paint their spaceships yellow (or pink if they are a big girl's blouse) and probably have a half-pint of Shandy ready on their computer desk to cool themselves down, just in case things get a bit uncomfortable?

Come on players! Haven't you heard of chivalry? Did you ever see three knights jousting against a single knight? No, because it is cowardly and not sporting! Fair enough, if it was one wing vs another, then it would be chivalrous, but ganging up and picking on a solo player is just not on—it's the lowest of the low!

So, can I make a plea to all players to respect chivalrous standards and only attack 1 vs 1?

 

[znôrt]

I would, but he does not answer his Phone. Anyone knows what is up with him? I am getting woried...

you should phone him when he doesn't expect it ...

 

[znôrt]

So you say i should join the spanish inquisition?

your only chance. nobody expects chivalry!

 

[xondk]

The game was designed in a certain way. the people you think play wrong are actually playing the game as it was designed.
The mentality issue is with you. There are some games out there that are specifically designed to allow you to test your mettle against other players 1v1. And to some degree you can do the same in ED if you create a private group and invite only those people who you know will abide by your rules, but don't expect those outside to care about what you think is true skill.
Out there, true skill is simply enjoying the game anyway you like. If that means piling up 4v1 on unexpecting haulers, so be it.

Huh, I do not think you understood my point, and I am fairly sure it isn't a design or me having a mentality issue, because it happens in a ton of games, that it is win or lose that matters, not the battle, I go away from a win or lose, thinking about it what I could do better if I lost, or how to refine my tactic if I win, that is in my eyes what PvP is about, skill, tactic, learning and adapting, there is none of that when people simply pile several on a target?

 

[CMDR Derrida]

So, you jump out of Witchspace into a system and start accelerating to a space station, when all of a sudden you get interdicted and pounced upon by a wing of 3 players! 3 on 1 right? Where is the sport and chivalry in that? The thrill of one-on-one combat should be the rule for every player who wants to engage in player vs player combat (fair enough, player vs NPC is different because it's the game mechanics). Are players so cowardly that they need to group together to attack a solo player? Do they need to "hold hands", paint their spaceships yellow (or pink if they are a big girl's blouse) and probably have a half-pint of Shandy ready on their computer desk to cool themselves down, just in case things get a bit uncomfortable?

Come on players! Haven't you heard of chivalry? Did you ever see three knights jousting against a single knight? No, because it is cowardly and not sporting! Fair enough, if it was one wing vs another, then it would be chivalrous, but ganging up and picking on a solo player is just not on—it's the lowest of the low!

So, can I make a plea to all players to respect chivalrous standards and only attack 1 vs 1?

It helps to think of it like a kung-fu movie narrative where a young farmer is chased off his land and nearly killed by three evil kung-fu masters and left for dead. Then that guy (or girl) goes to find the old master (GluttonyFang) and asks him to train him. After twenty years of perfecting the art of cracking coconuts between your butt cheeks, you will return to fight these guys again, and this time you win.
It's very empowering when you reach this level of gameplay (so I've heard! )and it's worth persisting to achieve it. If you switch to private because of griefers, you'll never have the satisfaction of teaching them a lesson

 

[Mr_Blastman]

Chivalry died in the late 18th or century, I believe. It is unlikely that people in the E D Universe of the year 3300 even recognize the term.

Not quite. It was very much alive in World War 1 and 2 in the air war. Many fighter jocks are referred to as knights of the sky.

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So, you jump out of Witchspace into a system and start accelerating to a space station, when all of a sudden you get interdicted and pounced upon by a wing of 3 players! 3 on 1 right? Where is the sport and chivalry in that? The thrill of one-on-one combat should be the rule for every player who wants to engage in player vs player combat (fair enough, player vs NPC is different because it's the game mechanics). Are players so cowardly that they need to group together to attack a solo player? Do they need to "hold hands", paint their spaceships yellow (or pink if they are a big girl's blouse) and probably have a half-pint of Shandy ready on their computer desk to cool themselves down, just in case things get a bit uncomfortable?

Come on players! Haven't you heard of chivalry? Did you ever see three knights jousting against a single knight? No, because it is cowardly and not sporting! Fair enough, if it was one wing vs another, then it would be chivalrous, but ganging up and picking on a solo player is just not on—it's the lowest of the low!

So, can I make a plea to all players to respect chivalrous standards and only attack 1 vs 1?

So did they attack you first or did they ask for cargo?

 

[Deleted member 38366]

So, can I make a plea to all players to respect chivalrous standards and only attack 1 vs 1?

Asking for chivalry and standards from Players in ELITE : Dangerous is.... bold

Bold but a lost cause.
Expect the worst, never ask for reasons. Noone needs any in this Game

When fate finds you - embrace it at last. And learn any lessions you can manage to squeeze out of it.
Typically unfriendly encounters can be expensive... but they often turn out being well worth the investment if one considers the valuable lessions that can result from them.

 

[Cosmo]

Come on players! Haven't you heard of chivalry? Did you ever see three knights jousting against a single knight?

What happened to chivalry? Women killed it. Chivalry IS dead, it's buried next to lady-like.

 

[andyraptor]

If you are a lady?.... I will open the door for you