Universe Wide Chat... Why Is It Not A Thing?
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Chat would be the same window as is currently used for comms - just more options to choose channel
ED / Volunteer moderation would only apply to public channels/chats, private/clan chats/channel would not be moderated - and are private (but logs would be kept by ED).
As stated - sector/clan/private/career/help chats/channels would be multiple individual chat areas - players in "public" chats will be muted/kicked if they do not follow the rules of public chats/EULA - I have seen this work with 50,000 people on one shard, and 5-10,000 people in individual instances, covered by only 5 global channels...
People playing a game do not type as much as LIVE STREAMING, where people are only "viewing" a game - whose ONLY input is to make comments, as the 2,000 viewers you give as an example - methinks the moderator is talking about apples, when the customer is talking about oranges....
I don't think moderation would really be required. We have no specific moderation now.
One way to reduce costs (somewhat), keep things consistent and translatable would be to have a set number of things that can be transmitted. Not so much like the Captain Blood example. More of a template thing. Almost like social media share buttons now but without writing comments.
An example would be... you happen across a conflict zone. There is some little button somewhere that allows you to 'share' that information. Your in-game commander blurts out over the channel, "Conflict reported near Delta A 3 between Zaphod's Purple Crew and We Like The Colour Purple Too Inc."
I think this would end up being fairly restrictive, though, and it's not exactly 'chat'.
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Oh, please no!
Approaching station... listening to the hustle and bustle of commerce and...
"Are you playing that stupid game again?!"
"It's not a stupid game. It's a simulator."
"Whatever. The kids need to get in the bath and they aren't listening to me."
"And..."
"So get off your......"
One way to reduce costs (somewhat), keep things consistent and translatable would be to have a set number of things that can be transmitted. Not so much like the Captain Blood example. More of a template thing. Almost like social media share buttons now but without writing comments.
An example would be... you happen across a conflict zone. There is some little button somewhere that allows you to 'share' that information. Your in-game commander blurts out over the channel, "Conflict reported near Delta A 3 between Zaphod's Purple Crew and We Like The Colour Purple Too Inc."
I think this would end up being fairly restrictive, though, and it's not exactly 'chat'.
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Come on FD, auto voice comms within 10km range. Imagine the chatter around stations
Oh, please no!
Approaching station... listening to the hustle and bustle of commerce and...
"Are you playing that stupid game again?!"
"It's not a stupid game. It's a simulator."
"Whatever. The kids need to get in the bath and they aren't listening to me."
"And..."
"So get off your......"
I do not want either global voice or global text in-game. I don't want it near stations, and I don't want it for 2-3 ly around stations (unless the appropriate gap is maintained, which might be interesting for FD server storage!).
IF this is something that FD agree to, I will hope they have the decency to provide an off switch, so that those of us that don't want it are not required to have it.
IF this is something that FD agree to, I will hope they have the decency to provide an off switch, so that those of us that don't want it are not required to have it.
Well I for one would benefit massively from a global chat, or maybe even some kind of player created chat rooms since my amount of socialising would increase no end if I could actually talk to people. Currently the only sign you have of there being other people at all is the occasional beam laser to the face following an interdiciton. There should be lots of blabber with people asking to form wings and do stuff together, roleplaying their factions or just generally talking utter crap for all I care, it would bring some much needed life to this game.
An IRC chat style add-on would be welcomed - it was used very well by Blizzard for their Diablo series games and remains a key element for myself wanting to log back in - the game is grindy, but being able to talk to like minded people en-masse meant the grind was pleasurable.
If you limit communication to text and relay via an FD server the overhead would be very small; easily stored (for legal reasons); and live moderation is not required - you can simply "squelch" people (ignore them) or report them for FD to review and take action.
I also agree with others' sentiment in that whilst this game is a hybrid MMO with plenty of players it does tend to get lonely at times.
Part of a game's longevity is down to building up a good community - not everyone visits the forums, and enabling people to "find each other" is important to ensure ED remains healthy.
Spam can easily be stopped - either /ignore the user or leave the channel.
<shrug> Get's my vote.
If you limit communication to text and relay via an FD server the overhead would be very small; easily stored (for legal reasons); and live moderation is not required - you can simply "squelch" people (ignore them) or report them for FD to review and take action.
I also agree with others' sentiment in that whilst this game is a hybrid MMO with plenty of players it does tend to get lonely at times.
Part of a game's longevity is down to building up a good community - not everyone visits the forums, and enabling people to "find each other" is important to ensure ED remains healthy.
Spam can easily be stopped - either /ignore the user or leave the channel.
<shrug> Get's my vote.
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Delay? No, thanks. They should provide us normal, standard, usable custom and global chat channels. Otherwise, they shouldn't bother with it at all. Trying to come up with something "original" for this rather trivial feature that works fine for pretty much all online games can only end with some awkward, unneccesarily complicated solution which -at the end- probably won't be used.
So, I'd say: either make it right, or don't make it at all. At least in-game chat comms are no rocket science.
Also language-specific (German, French, Russian, Spanish, Italian...) and subject-specific (CG, trade, mining, bounty hunting...) channels. It would be best to leave it to players to open and moderate their own channels as they see fit, though.
If limited to populated space (aka broadcasted by stations) so not available in systems without stations,
If can be turned off by people (no brainer actually),
If the frequency with which people can send messages is limited with x/minute and then you are silenced for a while,
The messages has a character limit,
Global and system channels are separate,
There is no logical reason not to have these implemented in game. It does nothing negative to immersion other than semantics (according to me of course, not that everyone has to agree).
If can be turned off by people (no brainer actually),
If the frequency with which people can send messages is limited with x/minute and then you are silenced for a while,
The messages has a character limit,
Global and system channels are separate,
There is no logical reason not to have these implemented in game. It does nothing negative to immersion other than semantics (according to me of course, not that everyone has to agree).
Yes We Can...!!
Yes Indeedy...
Add the Chat Module to the Exhisting COMMS Panel.
Make it so that it would be Invisible(Off) to CMDR's in Cockpit, unless/until said CMDR activated the Chat Tab and/or Enabled Notifications and Alerts.
FDev would retain Kick/Ban authority.
But FDev could enlist CMDR Mderators to handle the Day to Day operations...
Cleaning up the "Little Spills" helping to ensure CMD's et Large remain Civil.
With our Wide Demographic, we should have a Ton of Responsible Minded CMDR's available for Moderators.
Who Knows there might be a Good Number of CMDR's that would be happy to assume a Role in Guiding such a Potentially Important and Impactful Facet of our Beloved Game Universe.
Spam... I used to Love Spam as a Child, Crispy Fried and Crunchy...
Spam is the State Food (UnOfficial?) of Hawaii...!
But I Digress...
In closing I'd say:
A number of CMDR's have voiced concerns about Spam, Abuse and the Potentialy Intrusive Nature of a Modular (Or Any) Comms Package. These Concerns are Valid, all we need do is look around the Gaming World to see these Concers Realized...
I believe that with Proper Design, Implementation, and Self Management with FDev Oversight, these Issues can be Overcome...
Please Support a Comms Center for Elite Dangerous.
I Truly Beleve It Wll Make A Great Game Even Better!
Happy Hunting/Mining/Trading/Exploring... What Ever Floats Yer Boat!
-gus
Yes Indeedy...
Add the Chat Module to the Exhisting COMMS Panel.
Make it so that it would be Invisible(Off) to CMDR's in Cockpit, unless/until said CMDR activated the Chat Tab and/or Enabled Notifications and Alerts.
FDev would retain Kick/Ban authority.
But FDev could enlist CMDR Mderators to handle the Day to Day operations...
Cleaning up the "Little Spills" helping to ensure CMD's et Large remain Civil.
With our Wide Demographic, we should have a Ton of Responsible Minded CMDR's available for Moderators.
Who Knows there might be a Good Number of CMDR's that would be happy to assume a Role in Guiding such a Potentially Important and Impactful Facet of our Beloved Game Universe.
Spam... I used to Love Spam as a Child, Crispy Fried and Crunchy...
Spam is the State Food (UnOfficial?) of Hawaii...!
But I Digress...
In closing I'd say:
A number of CMDR's have voiced concerns about Spam, Abuse and the Potentialy Intrusive Nature of a Modular (Or Any) Comms Package. These Concerns are Valid, all we need do is look around the Gaming World to see these Concers Realized...
I believe that with Proper Design, Implementation, and Self Management with FDev Oversight, these Issues can be Overcome...
Please Support a Comms Center for Elite Dangerous.
I Truly Beleve It Wll Make A Great Game Even Better!
Happy Hunting/Mining/Trading/Exploring... What Ever Floats Yer Boat!
-gus
Incorrect, I prefer the current lone wolf play style without the chat/ text.
Please do not write as if you speak for all of us, you do not.
With respect to the issue, as long as it does not add any load to the current bandwidth in game and I can turn it off fine.
Waste of time and resources in my estimation but obviously others see differently. See what I did there...
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Given the troubles of the existing Chat System when you are within the same instance - I could only imagine the issues with a Global chat.
Tons of wasted bandwidth would try to ooze through the already limited P2P network...
If anything, I could envision such a thing on a dedicated Comms board in Stations/Outposts.
I'd see abolutely no use in it, though.
If I wanted to chat to total strangers, I can open a random IRC channel. Or return to old, dark times : join some AOL chatroom
PS.
Just imagine such a Board where 1000 CMDRs are typing at the same time.
Nothing but random chaos woud ensue.
By the time you'd have written your line to i.e. respond to a request you might have picked up - that Chat might have filled 4 more Pages already.
Proven by history of established Chat Utilities... It doesn't work on a large scale. At all. Just becomes a mess.
(just check the Chat segment of common busy livestreams... it's essentially the same... too many Users and its usability as a communication utility drastically diminishes very quickly)
Tons of wasted bandwidth would try to ooze through the already limited P2P network...
If anything, I could envision such a thing on a dedicated Comms board in Stations/Outposts.
I'd see abolutely no use in it, though.
If I wanted to chat to total strangers, I can open a random IRC channel. Or return to old, dark times : join some AOL chatroom
PS.
Just imagine such a Board where 1000 CMDRs are typing at the same time.
Nothing but random chaos woud ensue.
By the time you'd have written your line to i.e. respond to a request you might have picked up - that Chat might have filled 4 more Pages already.
Proven by history of established Chat Utilities... It doesn't work on a large scale. At all. Just becomes a mess.
(just check the Chat segment of common busy livestreams... it's essentially the same... too many Users and its usability as a communication utility drastically diminishes very quickly)
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That's why online games tend to allow players to open and moderate their own channels focused on specific subject, allowing people to gather around their common interests. Usually, it's easy as two mouse clicks. Global chat can be indeed pretty crowded place in massively popular games, but it's not necessarily that chaotic even there; let alone ED which, I suppose, doesn't have more than 20.000 players logged in any given time.
Regarding the bandwith: IRC or IRC-like server would take minuscule amount, as being shown before in this and possibly other similar threads.