Powerplay Cycle 24 PP Commentary

Raw data is out for cycle 24 https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=195971

And the two other weeks of speculation from me

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=199173
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=197561

And a link to Martins excellent spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...-xUQaxR8VkYlBT7doOIQ/edit?pli=1#gid=185735328

ALD is back ranked at number 1, lets take a look at what the raw data points to for the week

Total Merits

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You can see ALD has expansions again, so is back to their large total number of merits. ALD has the most total merits in each of the 3 individual categories too.
Hudson easily in 2nd place, and Aisling doing the 3rd most work again.

Down the bottom end Sirius has had a large drop in the number of total merits

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And there is the same chart without the expansion merits, Hudson and Aisling are very close, 1661 merits are all that separates them.

Effective Merits
So lets see where the real merits were distributed.
After some discussion with a few players, I've changed how I calculated effective preparation, expansion and opposition.

For effective preparation anything not prepared is waste, and any merits over what was needed to maintain its position on the list is waste.

For Expansion, if the expansion fails, its all waste, if it succeeds, only the amount that takes it over the opposition is effective, the rest is waste.
And Opposition is waste if it expands, or of the expansion trigger doesn't even get to 100%, or any amount over what was needed to block the expansion.

For Opposition and Expansion I used the triggers, not just the raw merit numbers.

So what will this change from the charts in the previous 2 weeks?
Effective Preparation numbers will drop a bit.
Effective Expansion numbers will be slashed. This will make the charts not be skewed to ALD and Hudson. If there are actual expansion battles, these will still remain, but one sided expansions will have their effective merits reduced significantly.
Effective Opposition is also reduced, because most expansions succeed.

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Here you can see a much nicer distribution of merits with the changes.
ALD still has a large number of merits in expansion, because her expansions were opposed by that much. Thats how many merits she needed to win all the expansions she won.

Aisling still doing the 3rd most effective merits, but there is a new Power in number 4, Archon Delaine.
This isn't skewed because of the changes in the effective expansion merits, Delaine would have a slightly higher number for his expansions with the old method.
But this does highlight the number of merits the players prefer to earn in combat expansions compared to delivery expansions.

Torval has a nice lead over Antal and Patreus, but just like on the Total Merits chart, Sirius is lower than usual, this time taking out last place.

There were only 2 battles for expansion:
ALD at Olelbis, which they won 1842% to 1696%
Delaine at Yuror, which they won 1860% to 1732%

And here is the effective merits without expansions
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I don't think there is as much of a need for this chart, because you can make everything out it the other one now, with the expansion merits being calculated differently.
If it wasn't obvious in the other chart, Aisling had the most effective number of fortification merits, and Delaine drops back a few positions without all his expansion merits.

Opposition

So who got attacked in cycle 24?
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Winters takes out the top spot, with ALD, Aisling and perhaps some Patreus players targeting her.
Mahone is 2nd with no-one publicly attacking him as usual.
The Imperial war against Delaine continues with the 3rd most opposition.
Hudson, ALD ans Sirius are 4th, 5th and 6th, but there is a steady drop between them, usually there is a big gap between the top 4 attacked powers and the rest.

The other 3 Imperials and Antal received their usual low levels of undermining. Torval received only 990 merits in opposition, and the other 3 had no expansions to oppose.

And the effective opposition
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Two things are clear, Winters was hit the hardest by a large margin, and only Mahon was effectively opposed.
Ross 842 was the only expansion that got over the 100% trigger, that was actually stopped.
Sirius failed their expansion at Dhak, but they also didn't get to the 100% trigger, so all opposition was unneeded, thus was a waste.

Antal had 0 of their systems successfully undermined.

Weekly Charts

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You can see above, fortification was generally down last cycle

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Undermining is generally down too, except on Winters and ALD, who had a large uptick from the previous week.

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And above are the total merits earned per week (excluding preparation merits)

All activity is down from the previous week, except expansion, but that was artificially low because ALD has no expansions then, you can see how much lower it is compared to 2 weeks ago.
This may be due to the 1.5 beta (or Fallout 4), or just a general downturn in player participation.

You can also see effective undermining has fallen to the effective fortification levels. This isn't good, because the undermining triggers are all higher than the fortification triggers.
Torval has the worst ratio of triggers, her undermining triggers are about double her fortification.
So looking at the right hand chart above, effective undermining levels are less than half of what they need to be.

Another issue is the massive gap between expansions and opposition, but the expansion numbers from the graphs are completely dominated by the numbers from just ALD and Hudson.
On average, expansions don't fail, and its nearly impossible to make any expansion of ALD or Hudson fail.

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Above is the breakdown of the weekly expansion merits. The right hand chart excludes ALD and Hudson, so you can actually see what the other 8 powers do.
Delaine has the 3rd most, but this isn't just due to him also having the combat expansion method, this is how many merits he needs to actually win an expansion.
Patreus and Antal (the other powers with the combat expansion method) do less expansion merits more recently, but they also did a large amount more than 12 weeks ago.



Speculation and Commentary

1 ALD 87%
ALD moved back into rank 1 for the first time in a long time.
6 successful expansions brings her total number of systems up to 77, with 1014 exploited systems

It all could have been very different. The control system of Tiburnat was only 391 merits short of being undermined, which would have been enough to push her into Turmoil, and stop all the expansions, and likely pushed her down to 4th place.

Last cycle ALD focused on attacking Winters and has Prepared the system of Mbutsi, which is very close to the Winters capital.
Nearly 60% of all their expansion merits went into LTT 1345, which was the expansion closest to their capital.
It will be interesting to how many expansion merits they can bring to Mbutsi which is so far away.

ALDs expansions were collectively beneficial to her economy, and she has improved her starting CC balance to -274cc.

Hudson is likely to retake the 1st rank from ALD, unless his expansions are stopped, but at this stage it is unclear if Hudson will be the focus of ALD.


2 Hudson 84%
The President dropped one place down to 2nd, they expanded to one new system, but that wasn't enough compared to the 6 expansions ALD was able to do.
Hudson still has a very healthy economy, starting on 731cc every week. This gives him a fair amount of undermining that can be endured before he needs to start fortifying.

Events were subdued compared to the battle of AF L from the previous week, but Hudson did a good job with their preparation list, having so much CC available.
Hudson is currently planning on preparing a system in ALD space.

With 8 systems to expand to this week, retaking the number 1 position is very likely, unless he falls into Turmoil.

3 Mahon 73%
The Prime Minister dropped down one rank to 3rd. Mahon is still secure in a top 3 position, Hudson is likely to move back into 1st place, so if Mahon is to move up, it will need to be at the expense of ALD.
With ALD having 3 expansions and Mahon only 2, this is unlikely unless ALD falls into Turmoil.

Mahons number of merits have been dropping relative to the other powers, but with their massive starting cc balance of 1121 they don't need to put in the same amount of effort to stay out of Turmoil.

With Sirius on the brink of Turmoil, and Winters the new focus of the recent Imperial attacks, its difficult to see Mahon dropping under 3rd, but with ALD having no preparations this week, and Hudson only having one, its possible for a move up in 2 weeks time.


4 Winters 67%
Winters was the main focus of the ALD and Aisling attack last cycle, and received far more effective undermining merits than any other power.
There was also a bit of drama with one of their player groups exploding with some players leaving.
Even with this, they were able to fortify enough, and keep themselves out of turmoil.

They now have an ALD expansion right next to their capital, which will either need to be directly opposed, or ALD will need to be pushed into Turmoil to fail expanding it.

Sirius, Torval and Aisling look too far behind to be able to move ahead of Winters this week, unless Winters is pushed deep into Turmoil.

5 Sirius 53%
Sirius is still ranked in the top 5, but this week highlights their reduced player efforts, with the lowest amount of effective merits.
This is a bad combination for a Power that borders both the Federation and Empire, and has many profitable systems.

With the revelation that Lavignys Legions players have been encouraged to pledge to Sirius, with the blessing of Sirius players, they are beginning to look less and less neutral, and it can only a matter of time before the Federation decide Sirius has too many systems for their players to fortify.
Until this happens, Sirius should be secure in 5th or 6th place.

6 Aisling 52%
Aisling completed the most effective fortification last week, and was able to keep out of Turmoil again.
With a starting balance of -765cc her economy is still the worst in the game, but with one profitable expansion this week (a system she lost to Tumoil a few weeks ago) this will be improved slightly.
With a low amount of cc to spend on preparations this week, only a low income system can be selected, which will cause further problems if it is expanded.
She has a very similar score to Sirius, and with a successful expansion this week, could move back up into 5th position.

Turmoil is always a possibility for her though, and this would keep her in the bottom 5.

7 Torval 47%
Torval has been receiving very low amounts of undermining, and has also been improving their number of merits, which has secured their position out of the bottom 3.
If Aisling or Sirius fall into Turmoil, it is very likely she will move above them, so its possible she could be in 5th place, if things work her way.

She gained another "good" system last week, but with the massive increases to her overheads as she inches towards 55 control systems, her economy has been worsened to -252cc.
This makes it easier than ever for her to be pushed into Turmoil, if an attack on her is organised.

With one expansion for this week, she will need to do a lot of fortification to ensure it can be afforded, and may very well be at her maximum number of systems.

8 Delaine 33%
The Pegasi war continued, with Delaine conquering an Imperial System, and Patreus losing one to Turmoil.
This moved the Pirate King up to 8th position.

Patreus will again be the main focus of attack, to ensure he loses another system, and remains ranked under Delaine.
Should Delaines expansions fail, and Patreus fortifies enough, its conceivable that Archon Delaine could be back into 10th position.

9 Antal 30%
The Utopians returned from their controlled Turmoil with a large amount of fortification (although it wasn't very effective for a change) and have 665cc to spend on preparation.
With only 2 more control system than Delaine, whichever one of them secures the most preparations and expansions will be the one ranked higher.
Having no expansions this week, Antals position will be determined more on what happens to Delains and Patreus, not what they do themselves this week.

They will want to ensure the new systems they prepare are profitable, and don't just replace the bad systems they lost to Turmoil, will all new bad systems.
At the moment their preparation list is looking good, and quite aggressive. With so many expansions available for next week, a return to 9th or 8th is very likely in 2 weeks time.

10 Patreus 24%
The senator tumbled down two positions with the loss of Utgaroar, which was a relatively low income system.
This has improved his economy, but Patreus was unable to pull himself out of Turmoil, and the High Profit system of 47 Ceti is now in Turmoil.

All efforts this week should be on fortification, to ensure this system is not lost, and more systems do not fall into Turmoil.
With a commanding lead in his number of systems over Delaine and Antal, Patreus should return to his ranking of 8th, when he is able to fortify out of Turmoil, until then, 10th is where he will remain.
 
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It would be really good to see a singe graph of standing over the last four seasons (the weather kind). Your stuff is spot on. A tracking of position would put this so easily in to context considering we are in cycle lots. Gwan, please?
 
It would be really good to see a singe graph of standing over the last four seasons (the weather kind). Your stuff is spot on. A tracking of position would put this so easily in to context considering we are in cycle lots. Gwan, please?

The raw data doesn't show the powers ranking, maybe someone else has this information?

I can show you number of control systems
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Great data - thanks.

"Sirius is still ranked in the top 5, but this week highlights their reduced player efforts, with the lowest amount of effective merits."

Worth noting, of course, there was the whole Civil War hooha this week in Lembava, which may have redirected some players efforts.
 
ALD pilots have NOT been encouraged to join LYR , ALD have REQUESTED permission of LYR to allow some of their Cmdrs to join, to carry out a planned controlled turmoil by undermining their systems themselves, kindly get your facts right. Given that we offer to HELP ANYONE who needs it, permission has been tentatively given ( subject to certain provisos being in place ) also, the Federation Powers have been kept fully apprised of the situation, and have been extended the SAME offer should they ever wish it.

This is no different to the controlled turmoil Antal requested help with from Alliance , Fed, Imperial and LYR pilots recently.
 
ALD pilots have NOT been encouraged to join LYR , ALD have REQUESTED permission of LYR to allow some of their Cmdrs to join, to carry out a planned controlled turmoil by undermining their systems themselves, kindly get your facts right. Given that we offer to HELP ANYONE who needs it, permission has been tentatively given ( subject to certain provisos being in place ) also, the Federation Powers have been kept fully apprised of the situation, and have been extended the SAME offer should they ever wish it.

This is no different to the controlled turmoil Antal requested help with from Alliance , Fed, Imperial and LYR pilots recently.

You have a different interpretation of the Lavigny Legions posts on the matter.

https://elitewinters.wordpress.com/broken-mechanic/

There is a whole reddit thread for anyone who missed it https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteWinters/comments/3sudnn/broken_mechanic_or_legitimate_gameplay/

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Great data - thanks.

"Sirius is still ranked in the top 5, but this week highlights their reduced player efforts, with the lowest amount of effective merits."

Worth noting, of course, there was the whole Civil War hooha this week in Lembava, which may have redirected some players efforts.

I wasn't aware of that, but I presumed it was more like whats been happening to Mahon. They have been fortifying enough so they don't hit Turmoil, there really isn't any benifit in doing too much fortification, the difficulty is in recognizing when you are getting undermined more than usual, and then being able to ramp up fortification to compensate.
 
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You have a different interpretation of the Lavigny Legions posts on the matter.

https://elitewinters.wordpress.com/broken-mechanic/


Yes, and the lesson has been learned I believe. I think any and all future discussions of that ilk will be recorded so that agreements cannot be misrepresented. Moreover, that link is just one part of the story, not the whole view. Our diplomats have spoken with Fed representatives, as well as Imperius, I understand.

I appreciate you are only putting your own spin on what you see: totally ok with that. Just don't complain if others do the same :)
 
Yes, and the lesson has been learned I believe. I think any and all future discussions of that ilk will be recorded so that agreements cannot be misrepresented. Moreover, that link is just one part of the story, not the whole view. Our diplomats have spoken with Fed representatives, as well as Imperius, I understand.

I appreciate you are only putting your own spin on what you see: totally ok with that. Just don't complain if others do the same :)

I'm really not trying to spin it, my reading of the reddit posts is the majority (of the vocal) federation players aren't happy with it, or Sirius.
Sirius is generally viewed as a client state of ALD by members of the Kumo Crew, and I think many Federation players feel the same way.

The comments about AF L from some ALD and Sirius players wont help their neutrality with the Federation, but I know there were some vocal Sirius players claiming there is no alliance with ALD.

If it makes you feel better, Sirius was the most undermined power after the first day of this cycle.
 
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I'm really not trying to spin it, my reading of the reddit posts is the majority (of the vocal) federation players aren't happy with it, or Sirius.
Sirius is generally viewed as a client state of ALD by members of the Kumo Crew, and I think many Federation players feel the same way.

The comments about AF L from some ALD and Sirius players wont help their neutrality with the Federation, but I know there were some vocal Sirius players claiming there is no alliance with ALD.

A sorry state of affairs really. I can assure you that we are completely independent. Agreements and deals with one faction are open to all, even if they are not advertised. Moreover, anyone is welcome to make an offer to us - we are businessmen after, and its part of our lore to not take sides.

Of course, some people get on with others better, and so on - there will always be some commanders in Sirius who may have a Fed friend, but not an Imp one, and vice versa.


If it makes you feel better, Sirius was the most undermined power after the first day of this cycle

Good-o... in the absence of clarity, hit the guy in the middle :)
 
A sorry state of affairs really. I can assure you that we are completely independent. Agreements and deals with one faction are open to all, even if they are not advertised. Moreover, anyone is welcome to make an offer to us - we are businessmen after, and its part of our lore to not take sides.

Of course, some people get on with others better, and so on - there will always be some commanders in Sirius who may have a Fed friend, but not an Imp one, and vice versa.
I'm glad to hear you say that. We cleared out some room on your border that Antal is currently moving into.
There will be another nice piece of cleared prime real estate right on your border at the end of this week.

We would love you to contribute to the clearing of this land, and help undermine Patreus.

Good-o... in the absence of clarity, hit the guy in the middle :)

You were the only Power to have any systems fully undermined. Someone really likes grinding on your system next to ALD space.
 
I'm glad to hear you say that. We cleared out some room on your border that Antal is currently moving into.
There will be another nice piece of cleared prime real estate right on your border at the end of this week.

We would love you to contribute to the clearing of this land, and help undermine Patreus.

Ha! Send in a request to our diplomats in TS or via the reddit ;-) Were your proposal to have some of your own guys defect and undermine your own 5th column, I'm sure that would get some traction, with the same provisos and caveats that applied to LL.

You were the only Power to have any systems fully undermined. Someone really likes grinding on your system next to ALD space.

Yep. Every week. We have a number that are routinely undermined to greater and lesser degrees. Each closer to one or other powers, sometimes almost equidistant to multiple powers.
 
Excellent analysis as always! Even though I wasn't very involved in powerplay this week due to being too busy outside the game, I was very much looking forward to this analysis post.

3 Mahon 73%
Mahons number of merits have been dropping relative to the other powers, but with their massive starting cc balance of 1121 they don't need to put in the same amount of effort to stay out of Turmoil.
I wanted to add a quick comment on this. The amount of merits is actually deceptive, since we micromanage the amount of fortification we do based on the undermining we recieve. We have to, as we're getting our preparations sabotaged every single week - For example, for the last two weeks someone has seemed hell-bent on making us expand into a system in the middle of Winters space, potentially hurting both her economy and ours by a significant amount, but so far we've managed to stave it off. So we're always aiming for a CC-balance that allows us at most 2-3 good preps for the following cycle. What this means is that if the amount of undermining hitting us decreases, as it has been despite us being the 2nd-most attacked power this cycle, we compensate by fortifying less and our number of merits will start dropping.

We can afford to run it close to the limit like that due to our healthy economy, which means that even if we do get hardcore sniped at the end of a cycle and go into turmoil, it's not really a problem for us: We can easily get out of it again, and since we're running so few preparations each week anyway, losing a week's work of expansions is very minor setback indeed. Plus, we're not really shooting for 1st place these days since we know it is unrealistic due to the massive discrepancy in player power between us and the likes of Hudson and ALD. The fact that we even got there at one point and held it for so long was a minor miracle... if one we worked very hard to create.

All that said, there probably IS some dropoff due to Fallout 4, Starcraft: Legacy of the Void and the 1.5 Beta, but I doubt it is the main reason our merit count is seemingly dropping more than that of the other powers (since they'd likely be affected by these releases as well).
 
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Excellent analysis as always! Even though I wasn't very involved in powerplay this week due to being too busy outside the game, I was very much looking forward to this analysis post.


I wanted to add a quick comment on this. The amount of merits is actually deceptive, since we micromanage the amount of fortification we do based on the undermining we recieve. We have to, as we're getting our preparations sabotaged every single week - For example, for the last two weeks someone has seemed hell-bent on making us expand into a system in the middle of Winters space, potentially hurting both her economy and ours by a significant amount, but so far we've managed to stave it off. So we're always aiming for a CC-balance that allows us at most 2-3 good preps for the following cycle. What this means is that if the amount of undermining hitting us decreases, as it has been despite us being the 2nd-most attack power this cycle, we compensate by fortifying less and our number of merits will start dropping.

God points.
I don't have weekly preparation numbers, but I wanted to see whats been going on with that, because the bad systems getting pushed onto everyone's preparation lists seems to be getting worse, and its logical to think more effort is going into everyone's preparation list compared to what was happening.

ALD can't afford any preparations this week, and will probably end up with one of the most profitable (well best non loss making) preparations list from all the 10 Powers.

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I think this chart agrees with what you were saying

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Plus, we're not really shooting for 1st place these days since we know it is unrealistic due to the massive discrepancy in player power between us and the likes of Hudson and ALD.

Well, the fact that they have combat expansions which pretty much gives them automatic completions on expansions also makes it a massively uneven playing field. Last cycle they put a combined 3.2 million merits into expansions. All undermining against all 10 powers only worked out to 3.4 million merits.

FDev decided to up the combat expansion merits by 10x to "balance things out", but they've obviously never taken a moment to take a look at it again. Expansions generated 3.5 million merits for expansions, and ALD and Hudson represented 91% of it. At this point, no one can oppose an ALD or Hudson expansion (other than turmoiling them), which is just flat out broken.
 
Well, the fact that they have combat expansions which pretty much gives them automatic completions on expansions also makes it a massively uneven playing field. Last cycle they put a combined 3.2 million merits into expansions. All undermining against all 10 powers only worked out to 3.4 million merits.

FDev decided to up the combat expansion merits by 10x to "balance things out", but they've obviously never taken a moment to take a look at it again. Expansions generated 3.5 million merits for expansions, and ALD and Hudson represented 91% of it. At this point, no one can oppose an ALD or Hudson expansion (other than turmoiling them), which is just flat out broken.

The combat merits were fixed in the wrong way. All that needed to happen was stop undermining (interdicting ship) from being a method to oppose the combat expansions.

It was 1 merits per kill vs 15 merits per interdiction kill, that was horribly unbalanced. The buff to 10 merits per combat kill vs 30 per interdicted kill is obviously more fair, but the issue is the 10 merits per kill now, not so much the 10 vs 30 ratio.

10 merits per combat zone kill costs 0 credits to get (no rushing tons) and if you have an anaconda and don't lick windows you should be able to do a kill per minute if you have average spawns, thats 600 merits per hour (you can get twice that and more if you are in a wing)

Can you earn 600 merits per hour expanding the other method? I'd say yes and no.
With an Anaconda (and I know not everyone has an Anaconda) you can get +300 cargo space easy, so thats 2 trips in one hour. That should be doable for most systems.
Assuming you are rating 5 and get 100 free tons in an hour, you need to buy 500 tons, which will cost 5 million merits.

I think you can probably do more merits per hour expanding with the delivery method, but you will bankrupt yourself.
You need time to earn the cr back, which cuts into your expanding time.

The other issue was the buff from 15 to 30 merits for "undermining"
This was applicable to stop fortification and expansions.
It was needed (and I think another buff wouldn't go wrong) for against fortification.

I don't' know if it should have also been done to opposing expansions, the number of merits should be individually balanced, not just 30 per kill for both.

The other thing to look at is how many free tons of expansion merits you get per half hour. Maybe this should be different to the number you get for fortification, but then that will earn players less merits for basically the same action, so maybe the delivery expansion triggers need to be looked at.
 
The combat merits were fixed in the wrong way. All that needed to happen was stop undermining (interdicting ship) from being a method to oppose the combat expansions.
Agreed. I always felt the way to balance expansion methods was simply to make opposition method = expansion method. So for combat expansions, you oppose them by fighting in combat zones (or whatever they happen to be called, seems to vary by power and location), and for trade expansions, you oppose them by hauling cargo. Interdictions should not be able to oppose either expansion method.
 
It was needed (and I think another buff wouldn't go wrong) for against fortification.

Problem is, due to the BH bonuses, FD has scewed player distribution so hard, that any change is inherently broken right now.

Both Hudson and ALD can and have already many times fortified to 100%. In Hudson's case, this means that he is literally invincible right now, due to a positive starting CC. They have won PP practically.

But at the same time, any change to remedy that would affect the other powers as well. And the other powers don't have the means to fortify more than what they currently do.

Thus, as PP currently stands, any change to balance the fight between Hudson and ALD will practically kill the other 8 powers. And let's face it, neutrality doesn't really exist in the long term,it's all about prime interests, it will only be a matter of time before the lesser Imperial powers get absorbed from Hudson and Winters from ALD. Then they will both turn to Sirius and Mahon and Antal won't make it out alive either after that. And if no change is done, Hudson has practically won.

The lack of quick and often changes from FD has really brought PP to a quite bad state. The distribution is killing it.
 
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I am not very experienced in PP strategy so i will not add any specific comment, but i just want to give you a +1. Excellent (and hard) work on those tables.
 
Problem is, due to the BH bonuses, FD has scewed player distribution so hard, that any change is inherently broken right now.

I agree, any balancing changes will help some powers, any hurt others but for most purposes there are only 2 Powers in PP, ALD and Hudson.
Until the raw data shows who is doing the opposing and undermining we don't know where 2/5th of the weekly merits are going, but there is no reason to think it isn't still ALD and Hudson.

If I had to have an educated guess ALD and Hudson do all of the undirected undermining on Mahon, Sirius and Delaine.

The vast majority of undermining on ALD and Aisling is Hudson and Winters, with Winters probably doing more than Hudson.

All the other undermining on Hudson and Winters is from ALD

The undermined numbers from last week:
ALD 350335
Aisling 115035
Delaine 474610
Patreus 153115
Mahon 610650
Winters 776850
Sirius 361600
Antal 29885
Hudson 451710
Torval 75245

And my speculation as to who did them
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ALD and Hudson still much higher than everyone else at this too
 
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