Why no Standard Beta players allowed to play Horizons Beta?

Isn't the reason they charge for people to test the beta, which is totally up to them if they want to pay. To stop the game being trashed online by people just wanting to get there hands on a game for free? and then say its balls because this doesn't work and that doesn't work not understanding that a beta is to help the developers make the game/expansion stable for release. lots of games have been killed by bad press from people not understanding the point of testing, and just saying all over the net "fell though the moon it's <Ahem>!

anyway chin up its just a game.

ER what? Did you actually READ the posts? People are miffed about paying for the Beta TWICE.........And No its not to halt the bad press, if that was the case it failed and is STILL failing badly. THIS IS A CASH-GRAB, nothing more. They are trying to gouge the players for every penny (SEE Electronic Arts). We see this more and more when the games companies try to over-monetize products, they milk it until it dries up then move on. FD is NOT your friend, they do not care about you, they only care about pounds, dollars and the like. All the speeches and hype are just marketing tools to part you from your money. :) Gone are the days when games were designed and made by gamers FOR gamers, the bean counters are in charge now.
 
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horizons isn't worth a full game price it's an expansion not a new game....and I did put my money where my mouth is and didn't buy it. I put enough cash already into this gonna wait till the horizon season goes down or untill they sell season three with season 1 and 2 included for free.

And I put enough cash into back at the beginning, not to ever have these problems again. There was a choice to pay extra and have every season ever released + beta testing for each and every one. It was an extra 60 Euros above the base price well spent, because from now on it doesn't matter how many expansions there are going to be, I will automatically get them all.

And if you think an expansion is not meant to be a full priced product, you never seen the prices of MMO expansions, have you?
 
After review, it appears the thread has descended in people just having a go at each other and talking through each other, so its going nowhere.

OP has got an answer to his issue: Base game standard beta only gave beta access to the base game. For season 2 beta access it requires season 2 beta package.

Since nobody is pointing a gun at anyone's head forcing people to beta test, and this is a choice, and that nothing in beta carries over to live, there is no advantage to be gained beyond getting in some practice before it goes live or choosing to help FD test the game.

With this in mind, ill unlock the thread (although i'm not sure if there is anything left to discuss), but please keep it friendly and factual. No more hyperbole please.
 
Ill just comment on this, although i can't get too deeply involved since i'm moderating this thread.

WHEN are players going to wake up to the fact they hold the power?

You said it yourself. The customer has the power. FD are free to charge what they like for whatever they want. The client chooses whether they consider it holds enough value for them.

If you don't like it, you don't buy it.
 
And I put enough cash into back at the beginning, not to ever have these problems again. There was a choice to pay extra and have every season ever released + beta testing for each and every one. It was an extra 60 Euros above the base price well spent, because from now on it doesn't matter how many expansions there are going to be, I will automatically get them all.

And if you think an expansion is not meant to be a full priced product, you never seen the prices of MMO expansions, have you?


You seem to think I am fresh off the boat, I am not I was here before this game went live. Also I have seen prices of expansion and most mmo sell dlc at a lower price than the original game, please do not tell me WOW yadada never played that junk and never will nor try to tell me random sports game 2014 /2015 etc etc, they're not expansion but whole new games.

I will just quote something I said a while back:

Except that's kind of a rip off and revisionist history. The big thing about PREMIUM beta was it included the lifetime pass, standard was cheaper because it was like premium but no LTP.


I did my research very well before I bought into the game pre release and you could buy alpha, premium beta or standard beta, premium was basically the cost of standard and LTP rolled into one package. standard was everything premium beta minus LTP.

Beta access should be given to standard beta people, they should just be required to pay for standard horizons, premium beta should not have to pay at all.

I don't care if they are calling it a "season" it's still an expansion to a game, not a whole new game.


Look even here they note the standard beta and premium beta difference is LTP:



If you have standard beta but don't buy Horizons then no beta access but if you do you should get beta access just by buying access to Horizions via the stand purchase of it.


FD pulled a fast one on people when they decided only alpha or premium beta didn't have to "rebuy" beta access.

People that bought standard beta bought beta access just like those that have alpha or premium beta, they just paid less because other things that have nothing to do with betas were not included. We should be allowed to beta test just like them IF we buy the non beta Horizons pre order.
 
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I'm pretty sure that even 'commercial' release games are effectively still in final beta testing as proved by the qty of the updates and patches.
 
People that bought standard beta bought beta access just like those that have alpha or premium beta, they just paid less because other things that have nothing to do with betas were not included. We should be allowed to beta test just like them IF we buy the non beta Horizons pre order.

Imho when you bought standard premium, you knew what you were getting. If you had REALLY wanted to test all betas, you would have bought premium beta. Perhaps it was misleading, perhaps you were trying to save a bit, I don't know.
However, you can't moan and be taken seriously when you have obviously not bought the correct product After all is said, what would be the point of premium beta if standard included all betas?
Perhaps a good solution to this possible problem / discontent is to offer standard beta customers a discount on premium beta...
 
The horizons players who paid for beta access get to test the game content.................and shape the direction of it. The feedback so far has led to a lot of changes to the srv, from fuel type and capacity, to handling and controls.
 
People seem to confuse between an expansion and a DLC.

That's a DLC:

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That's an expansion:

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What we're getting is more similar to the latter one than the former.
 
I'm pretty sure that even 'commercial' release games are effectively still in final beta testing as proved by the qty of the updates and patches.

Most games are rushed out by commercial pressure before they are ready. That's why there is almost invariably a "fix" in the first week of release, and at least another later to add content that should have been in the initial release.
FD, to their credit, held out for quite some time after many companies would have released their product, in order not to deliver a game that was so buggy, that it would have been almost unplayable.
 
Imho when you bought standard premium, you knew what you were getting. If you had REALLY wanted to test all betas, you would have bought premium beta. Perhaps it was misleading, perhaps you were trying to save a bit, I don't know.
However, you can't moan and be taken seriously when you have obviously not bought the correct product After all is said, what would be the point of premium beta if standard included all betas?
Perhaps a good solution to this possible problem / discontent is to offer standard beta customers a discount on premium beta...

No don't tell me what I did and didn't know. The difference in price between premium beta and standard beta back then was LTP. You could buy LTP by itself and standard beta by itself which equaled the cost of premium beta.

FD decided back when I first posted about this that LTP wasn't selling enough so they decided to make it more appealing the second time around by taking away beta access from standard beta people.

There was lots of talk about what each package included and many of us that did go with standard just felt it was too much extra for LTP and we were oky with deciding if we wanted to pay more later on for each xpac. There was never any question that if we did pre order an xpac that we would not be allowed to beta test since we already purchased that.

Also the only ones doing the moaning are the people defending this shady tactic. I like this game, I don't like to test so personally don't give two cents I can't beta test horizons.. hell I didn't even buy it.

Doesn't mean I am going to kiss FD behind and give them a nice shiny pass when I feel they have done something shady. I tend to just ignore all these threads but every now and then I get tired of the standard douchey replies some people get when they ask something in these forum that the diehard fans don't like or don't want to hear. O btw when I mention douchey replies I am not talking about you.

I didn't like what FD did or how an xpac became a season pass or the pricing so I didn't buy it, likewise if some of the fans don't like some question they can can choose not to reply there no need for the internet tough guy replies some people like to spout.

Also the point of standard beta was this, you got into betas BUT had to buy the xpac or season or DLC first. Premium didn't, instead FD decided you have to buy the season AND beta access again but they came about this decision after the game went live....

People that bought standard beta already bought beta access the only thing missing is for them to buy a regular pre order of the xpac/season.

That is the con IMO, you don't have to agree with me but that what I think considering they changed the rules 8 months or after the fact.
 
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You seem to think I am fresh off the boat, I am not I was here before this game went live. Also I have seen prices of expansion and most mmo sell dlc at a lower price than the original game, please do not tell me WOW yadada never played that junk and never will nor try to tell me random sports game 2014 /2015 etc etc, they're not expansion but whole new games.

I will just quote something I said a while back:




FD pulled a fast one on people when they decided only alpha or premium beta didn't have to "rebuy" beta access.

People that bought standard beta bought beta access just like those that have alpha or premium beta, they just paid less because other things that have nothing to do with betas were not included. We should be allowed to beta test just like them IF we buy the non beta Horizons pre order.

Actually your wrong, WoW still has the original game running even though a little of the scenery has changed as the expansions rolled out. But in 90% or more, it still has the original game in place. The original game can be played from the beginning with a level 1 character levelling up the long way or you pay extra and start with a high level character. At the beginning of Mists of Panderia expansion it was made available to beta test to players who preordered the expansion months before it was officially released. Each of the WoW expansions have been pretty much a higher price than the preceding cost of the game. So you were paying around £50-£60 for the last expansion which was Warlords of Draenor.

Witcher 3's expansions while cheaper than the original game, give a lot less content for your money than the original. Also games like Witcher could almost be considered as expacs of the original game of Witcher, as can Fallout 4, Gta V, Guild Wars 2, Lotr , ad nauseum. But by touting them as new games (Same story) the producers can charge a great deal more each new version of the same game by not calling them expansions.

At least WoW doesn't stick a numeral after the title, tout up the graphics and sell them out as new games, but as expansions.

So WoW's funding is by shop and subscription. In this thread we have a dispute about providing income for ED that allows for future development with the way they sell the betas in advance. No real difference to others charging extra or asking for cash for early access to expansions like many others. The difference in this game is we get a chance to log problems before the expansion is fully released, although admittedly in WoW there are the PTR as in ED for free.
The bottom line of how ED operates is that it needs to generate income to survive. In my opinion they do it the fairest way by giving you the chance to opt in early by paying for this early access beta, which you can pay or wait for the full game, and as Agony Aunt said you choose to do just that, make your choice.
Oh yes, one last thing about the last Expansion in WoW. They made such a dogs dinner at the release of Warlords of Draenor they gave all players 5 days free subscription, something I never remember them doing in the past. So before we knock Ed by comparing them with the top MMORPG lets make sure that we don't gloss over the problems others have on releases.

Oh yes and I too was a standard beta player and could have bought the life time pass, and could have bought it again when they released the life time pass for pre ordering Horizons early enough, I chose not to, my choice, but I am not making bellyaching threads about having to pay an extra £10 to play the beta horizons. I just paid and got on with my game.
 
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Hrm, I think personally people are coming at the subject a bit sideways.

Paying for beta access isn't a money grab as I see it, but it is done to make it less likely that those that have no interest in actually doing what a beta should do, bug finding and such, there are a ton of games that have "betas" that are just early access, where everything carries over and such, and they really have washed out the meaning of the word beta. It is about testing the game, trying out the features and such, and finding the problems and reporting them. It is not a "I get to play this early" situation, but yeah, a lot treat it like that.
 
.....STUFF....

Like I said in my post, I don't play wow and never will, so don't quote me and say Wow yada yada.

While I personally find horizons to be priced too high for what it offers this has nothing to do with whether standard beta included beta for horizons or not and has diddly to do with what I am talking about. FD would still get money and funding even if those that paid for standard beta didn't have to pay for it again as they still would have to pay full price for horizons.

I understand it may be difficult to grasp for some people......anyways I said my piece about it so you all can have at it!
 
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Like I said in my post, I don't play wow and never will, so don't quote me and say Wow yada yada.

While I personally find horizons to be priced too high for what it offers this has nothing to do with whether standard beta included beta for horizons or not and has diddly to do with what I am talking about. FD would still get money and funding even if those that paid for standard beta didn't have to pay for it again as they still would have to pay full price for horizons.

I understand it may be difficult to grasp for some people......anyways I said my piece about it so you all can have at it!

The only things that are difficult to grasp is why you bring up WoW in the first place, then put down those who counter your opinions to the other bits you tacked on in your post after mentioning Wow, concerning semantics over expacs and other games, so you can shine a poor light on FD's decisions. You paid for standard beta, you had your standard beta. If you want Horizons beta you pay for that. If you didn't buy the lifetime pass to avoid having to pay again for a later beta that's your problem so don't try to make it others.
The same applies to the OP, you had multiple chances to buy a lifetime pass if you didn't want to pay out any more but you chose not to take them. So complaining about something you had a chance to use but didn't want to buy seems very disingenuous.
 
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Reminds me very much of the monty python argument sketch. I suppose it must be important to some folks as they have written very large posts about it. Anyways, enjoy your discussion and i hope it works out for you folks in the manner that you desire...
 
The only things that are difficult to grasp is why you bring up WoW in the first place, then put down those who counter your opinions to the other bits you tacked on in your post after mentioning Wow, concerning semantics over expacs and other games, so you can shine a poor light on FD's decisions. You paid for standard beta, you had your standard beta. If you want Horizons beta you pay for that. If you didn't buy the lifetime pass to avoid having to pay again for a later beta that's your problem so don't try to make it others.

Did you even read my post? I didn't bring up Wow past saying I dont want to hear about....and you come in with a full page about wow...reading fail?

You speak of semantics yet what FD did was sheer sophistry and that's a fact. Personally I don't want to beta test it doesn't change what FD pulled was shady and move.

I don't really care if you feel superior somehow and thus think the rest of us should be quiet when we feel FD has wronged us. If this thread bothers you and the opinion of myself and some others bothers you kindly move on and avoid the thread, as far as I know I am not breaking your arm and making you read it and thus making it YOUR problem.

One thing is for sure though I have to right to post here and express myself just as you do, if that bothers you well to bad... have a cookie.


Myself I don't like what they did, how they did it or the pricing of the "season pass" so I voted with my wallet by not buying Horizons at all. Instead I will wait for a further season like season 3 or season 4 and then maybe buy that. If FD holds true to form it will include the previous seasons for no extra cost!

If others like how it is well good for them, they can go play the game and have fun.

This really is my last post here so have at it for real this time.
 
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Did you even read my post? I didn't bring up Wow past saying I dont want to hear about....and you come in with a full page about wow...reading fail?

You speak of semantics yet what FD did was sheer sophistry and that's a fact. Personally I don't want to beta test it doesn't change what FD pulled was shady and move.

I don't really give a rats :):):):) if you got LTP and thus feel superior somehow and thus think the rest of us should STHU when we feel FD has wronged us. If this thread bothers you and the opinion of myself and some others bothers you kindly move on and avoid the thread, as far as I know I am not breaking your arm and making you read it and thus making it YOUR problem.

One thing is for sure though I have to right to post here and express myself just as you do, if that bothers you well to bad... have a cookie.

The only one not reading posts is you I never once mentioned I had the LTP in fact I said I purchased the Standard beta then the Horizons beta as that was my choice. I think you put sour milk on your Weetabix this morning.

Here is the bit you missed:

"Oh yes and I too was a standard beta player and could have bought the life time pass, and could have bought it again when they released the life time pass for pre ordering Horizons early enough, I chose not to, my choice, but I am not making bellyaching threads about having to pay an extra £10 to play the beta horizons. I just paid and got on with my game."

Was in my first post.:rolleyes:
 
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The only one not reading posts is you I never once mentioned I had the LTP in fact I said I purchased the Standard beta then the Horizons beta as that was my choice. I think you put sour milk on your Weetabix this morning.

Here is the bit you missed:

"Oh yes and I too was a standard beta player and could have bought the life time pass, and could have bought it again when they released the life time pass for pre ordering Horizons early enough, I chose not to, my choice, but I am not making bellyaching threads about having to pay an extra £10 to play the beta horizons. I just paid and got on with my game."

Was in my first post.:rolleyes:

Yeah I saw it I just suck at editing my post before posting them and then tend to take 5 mins fixing it. Usually it's not a problem as people are not usually waiting and reloading the page impatiently with bated breath for my reply or next post.
 
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