UA Mystery thread 4 - The Canonn

[Nazdakka]

Update on the meta-alloys mission:

I've been spending some time on a variety of different planets, hoping for a magic meta-alloy drop. Nothing so far. I have 1 ED evening left before the mission ends, and I plan to pick a random planet somewhere near the Empire at the bottom of the bubble and wander around on it.


I've left Merope and the UA sphere and spent time searching POIs on Lave 2 (the mission target location is 'planet' and if you type 'planet' into the galaxy map it sends you to Lave, presumably because of 'Planet Lave'), and a Pristine Metal-Rich planet near Varati called Col 285 Sector IX-T d3-43 A 1. Both have been pretty boring, except for the vast amount of tea that I seem to find!

 

[Zenith]

Is it normal for stars to have a ring?

No, not normal but it can rarely happen in-game.
Most people see T-Tauri or dwarf stars with rings, but I found an M class star with rings once...

Spoiler

BTW, HD 193576 is a brilliant system to visit for tourism. It's got a bit of everything. Blue star, yellow star, black hole. Good scan credits.

 

[RedWizzard]

You can make good again if you add California Sector HW-W C1-7 and LHS 3006 to your UA shell 3D plot.
If you draw lines from California Sector HW-W C1-7 to LHS 3006 and from California Sector HW-W C1-7 to Merope, you will be promoted.

Here it is. I haven't updated the shell itself in a while but you get the idea.

 

[CMDR Paraszt]

Behold my paint powers!

I

I hope it's visible.
So I tried to make some kind of a tool to detect the sweet spot. Might be easier to play with the galmap but I wanted to try something less empyrical.
It's not yet done
But my brain is just totally disfunctional now and I have to get some sleep.

I'll have some time tomorrow to look around. If anyone has maybe a POI to check and make a skyview just write a comment and I'll see it tomorrow.

BTW I'm pretty sure this thing I made can be used as a basic navigation tool, we just have to spot how the lines are changing. It will probably take some more testing with a few hours running up and down but I'm certain we will find the cake.


BTW A-B-C point are enough to find where the trailer was made, D and the Loop are just there as a final reference point.

 

[Julio Montega]

Discussed with some fellas on the ts tonight alot.
Chatting with fellow tinfoils is a good way to get the imagination machinery running,
and here is a thought on what we might want to check into:

- Systemname: merope
- Location: Pleiades
Names mentioned in a dozen cultural mythologies, not only greek ones.

- Number of stars in the Pleiades: 7
A holy number, isn't it?
What about 18 Tau(ri)?


- UA points to Merope
Why this system, what did we miss?
Is Merope just a help for astrogation,
like sailors of old used Polaris to navigate?

- Merope has planets, planets sing songs
There are videos on youtube with the "song of the sol system" where people listen to
sounds created from the planets and their magnetic fields, did we listen to Merope's songs?

The UA has a blue distortion field around it, similar to effects when entering SC:
Is the source of the UA being adrift a malfunction of their FSD,
alike to the viral infection on Thargoid FSD tech?
Do they have a maximum range?

The whole barnacle idea:
If FD is true to the concept, those little barnacles stick to ship hulls and some sea-mammals,
isn't the T-9 nicknamed "space cow" or "space whale"?


Just to sum some up,
before the dark ring kidnaps my thoughts.

 

[xdeath]

I want to point out that the dark sky in the background of the trailer may be due to a hefty amount of light pollution.
The darkness is probably due to a strong shadow, rather than being on the dark side of a planet.

I think this was taken on the dusk or dawn part of a planet, possibly in a canyon or crater.

 

[Calaban]

That's a good theory that I don't think has been mentioned before. You've missed some data points though: the scanning and the Morse. They don't obviously fit in with the UAs being glorified road cones. But there's a bigger reason why I don't think it's right: this is a game. The UAs are a puzzle meant to be solved eventually, they're not just a warning fence no more interesting that the red "no trespassing" zones around some planetary installations.

The "feedback" signals may be just that: Feedback signals. A "proof" that "I am not natural- nor extant life, I am a Xeno-Made device. I see you, Anaconda, Acknowledging your presence back to you (and nowhere else) in a way that was determined you would comprehend- to prove that there is technological intelligence here and (presumably) no harm intended." - think of them as orange traffic cones with "driver feedback" flashing lights on top.. only a bit more advanced- that broadcasts car make and model, as well as street intersection to passing cars, through their AM radio

The other point I missed was their "deterioration"... that could just be conscientious space farers not wanting to litter up the galaxy with countless alien probes over the millenia- they are just "stella-degradable", and gradually self dissolve to constituent atomic particles when their purpose is invalidated (through tampering)

 

[King Sancho]

I gotta say that one comment, posted above (somewhere) really struck a chord with me; regarding the UAs, their behavior, and why there is absolutely nothing else to glean about them.

- Why they are in a shell a certain distance from Merope (distance from Merope= 1 data point)
- Why they all point at Merope Star (second data point)
- Why that is the end of the extent of data to be obtained. (END of data set)

So, the UAs were placed by means unknown, to point at a certain star, and to mark a certain distance. The big question is: WHY?

The idea, to put it simply: They are "orange traffic cones" marking out the hazards of a pending supernova- demarking the safe distance. This was a courtesy caution placed by some advanced alien race... possibly Type 2 or 3 interstellar species.

We, as a silly Type 0.77 interstellar species, completely missed the point. We scrambled around, stealing the Caution/Hazard beacons, moved them around, Dropping them elsewhere, kicked them, shot them, absconding them to distant stations... we scratched our heads trying to figure it all out- even went to the very center of the danger zone, went so far as to built a base there (with more to come)- utterly missing the point; that it was all just a "stay away from this star by this much, if you want to survive" message.

That theory- it.. it makes perfect sense to me. The cause of the Pleiades nebula itself (the remnant supernova explosion of (presumably) Maia B) already shows that those hot, young, fast living blue stars have already started to POP! I... may decide to stay away from there from now on.

... maybe earmark a good front row seat for the show on a good moon, setup my SRV launchair and tailgate party attachments- wait and watch for news of "Merope star fluctuations causing concern". Bring some popcorn. And maybe some shades.

The Imperial Warmonger in me is wanting the UAs to be a military radar beacon or sonar system.. similar to the US SOSUS, in which the enemy (whoever they are) is using to gather information or track our activity.
For the Army grunts.. maybe a ELINT effort on the front lines/perimeter.

Anywhoo.. maybe we should put our efforts in a system wide nuke... and just rip Merope off the map.

 

[CMDR Paraszt]

Tonight I visited a couple planets around the area where we suspect the trailer location. It's actually quite hard to land in anywhere else than the dawn/dusk line if you really want to have the constellation at place. So I totally agree.

The other option is the edge of crater but that won't narrow down our search too much so I hope the former is true.

Even if we find something that matches the skyview it won't be dead accurate, it's a very dense area of space and we'll have a nice couple candidates. One thing to note is at 1:08 where blue and orange stars are visible rather close to each-other.
It's not a clue, but I hope it will help to finalize the place.

 

[Catoblepas]

Discussed with some fellas on the ts tonight alot.
Chatting with fellow tinfoils is a good way to get the imagination machinery running,
and here is a thought on what we might want to check into:

- Systemname: merope
- Location: Pleiades
Names mentioned in a dozen cultural mythologies, not only greek ones.

- Number of stars in the Pleiades: 7
A holy number, isn't it?
What about 18 Tau(ri)?


- UA points to Merope
Why this system, what did we miss?
Is Merope just a help for astrogation,
like sailors of old used Polaris to navigate?

- Merope has planets, planets sing songs
There are videos on youtube with the "song of the sol system" where people listen to
sounds created from the planets and their magnetic fields, did we listen to Merope's songs?

The UA has a blue distortion field around it, similar to effects when entering SC:
Is the source of the UA being adrift a malfunction of their FSD,
alike to the viral infection on Thargoid FSD tech?
Do they have a maximum range?

The whole barnacle idea:
If FD is true to the concept, those little barnacles stick to ship hulls and some sea-mammals,
isn't the T-9 nicknamed "space cow" or "space whale"?


Just to sum some up,
before the dark ring kidnaps my thoughts.

Just a little thing to add to your thought process here. Rather than listening to Merope perhaps we should be recording it and running it through a spectogram? The sounds stars give off in this game are pretty ideal for hiding images due to their noise based nature. The only problem is the ship noises could of course be an interference. Personally though I think with the UA's pointing to Merope and the extracted Morse code allegedly saying Merope 1D, we must certainly be missing something. All clues so far (unless there's others I'm unaware of) have been hinting at Merope, signalling the system itself is important to progression. At least that's how I've taken it.

There are of course the instances with Palin, most recently having taken an interest in Maia, which could be taken to indicate that the local area rather than the system of Merope itself is important, or perhaps even that this our chance to make the discovery and that Palin is getting closer, but not quite put all of the pieces together either.

My concern on that thought process is that what we're looking for could be right under our noses and hidden in plain sight due to spreading efforts too wide, but at the same time, to focus more on the system itself could also mean excluding the actual target from our search should it be further out, and we're still missing a link. It's an awkward situation, we have lots of clues pointing to an area but nothing to be found to lead us anywhere else so far.

 

[CMDR Paraszt]

Just a little thing to add to your thought process here. Rather than listening to Merope perhaps we should be recording it and running it through a spectogram? The sounds stars give off in this game are pretty ideal for hiding images due to their noise based nature. The only problem is the ship noises could of course be an interference. Personally though I think with the UA's pointing to Merope and the extracted Morse code allegedly saying Merope 1D, we must certainly be missing something. All clues so far (unless there's others I'm unaware of) have been hinting at Merope, signalling the system itself is important to progression. At least that's how I've taken it.

There are of course the instances with Palin, most recently having taken an interest in Maia, which could be taken to indicate that the local area rather than the system of Merope itself is important, or perhaps even that this our chance to make the discovery and that Palin is getting closer, but not quite put all of the pieces together either.

My concern on that thought process is that what we're looking for could be right under our noses and hidden in plain sight due to spreading efforts too wide, but at the same time, to focus more on the system itself could also mean excluding the actual target from our search should it be further out, and we're still missing a link. It's an awkward situation, we have lots of clues pointing to an area but nothing to be found to lead us anywhere else so far.

You can nullify all unwanted noise by shutting down the ship AND going to debug.
I hope.

 

[Kalearne]

Tonight I visited a couple planets around the area where we suspect the trailer location. It's actually quite hard to land in anywhere else than the dawn/dusk line if you really want to have the constellation at place. So I totally agree.

The other option is the edge of crater but that won't narrow down our search too much so I hope the former is true.

Even if we find something that matches the skyview it won't be dead accurate, it's a very dense area of space and we'll have a nice couple candidates. One thing to note is at 1:08 where blue and orange stars are visible rather close to each-other.
It's not a clue, but I hope it will help to finalize the place.

if the planet/moon isnt tidally locked to the star then the best you can hope for it to try and pick it out based on the night sky and its colour. Light and dark will depend on time of day so you wont find the right valley or crater that way.

 

[Julio Montega]

You can nullify all unwanted noise by shutting down the ship AND going to debug.
I hope.

Doesn't the game interpret the magnetical "fluctuations" by your sensor's sounds?
I'm not sure you hear anything when you go into debug powered down.

Here is a link to pleiades myths:

https://www.naic.edu/~gibson/pleiades/pleiades_myth.html

Why 7?
Why there?
Why the "spread" of UAs?

 

[CMDR Paraszt]

The idea of the spot being on a tidally locked planet is something we should follow. We have too much possible candidates I think this criteria is reasonable, and i don't even land on planets that aren't locked. If we run out of those and still have the time to make another run...well TBH i don't think we'll find it unless we get another clue. I see this community is dancing on multiple floors to make progress and that should have positive results one way or another.
I'll stick to skyview and landing for the time.
Tidally locked.

 

[Kalearne]

Just a little thing to add to your thought process here. Rather than listening to Merope perhaps we should be recording it and running it through a spectogram? The sounds stars give off in this game are pretty ideal for hiding images due to their noise based nature. The only problem is the ship noises could of course be an interference. Personally though I think with the UA's pointing to Merope and the extracted Morse code allegedly saying Merope 1D, we must certainly be missing something. All clues so far (unless there's others I'm unaware of) have been hinting at Merope, signalling the system itself is important to progression. At least that's how I've taken it.

There are of course the instances with Palin, most recently having taken an interest in Maia, which could be taken to indicate that the local area rather than the system of Merope itself is important, or perhaps even that this our chance to make the discovery and that Palin is getting closer, but not quite put all of the pieces together either.

My concern on that thought process is that what we're looking for could be right under our noses and hidden in plain sight due to spreading efforts too wide, but at the same time, to focus more on the system itself could also mean excluding the actual target from our search should it be further out, and we're still missing a link. It's an awkward situation, we have lots of clues pointing to an area but nothing to be found to lead us anywhere else so far.

heres some work I did a while ago analysing the audio from a UA.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=175726&page=344&p=2786935#post2786935 - Breakdown of components

I tried to do some analyzing of the pulses in the howl to see if it had any kind of pattern from the data, its here https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=175726&page=354&p=2792803#post2792803

 

[Julio Montega]

Thinking about the relevance of the 7 main stars in the pleiades,
i googled a bit and found some astronomy links:

Indian - 7 Sages:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saptarishi

The number of main stars in the constellations of the Big Dipper( Ursa Major - Saptarishi) and Orion.

Here is the NATO maritimal sign for 7:

Spoiler

Could it be a passageway?

Another thought:
If we look at the UA,
it features a bulbuos head and a stem with 3 times 4 pods.
Is there a system in the pleiades, that has one main star
and 3 sub stars with 3-4 planets orbiting?
Is there maybe a congruency on the galmap,
that looks like the UA, given Merope is the head?

 

[Catoblepas]

heres some work I did a while ago analysing the audio from a UA.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=175726&page=344&p=2786935#post2786935 - Breakdown of components

I tried to do some analyzing of the pulses in the howl to see if it had any kind of pattern from the data, its here https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=175726&page=354&p=2792803#post2792803

Ah thanks a bunch. Gonna have to bookmark that and cross reference the results when I get a chance to record Merope. I'm kind of hoping to just find something directly hidden in the image (would be too good to be true so not expecting it) but didn't know the same idea had already been covered with the UA's too. I'll make sure to post any results for everyone else to analyze as soon as they're grabbed, provided nobody beats me to the punch.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

The idea of the spot being on a tidally locked planet is something we should follow. We have too much possible candidates I think this criteria is reasonable, and i don't even land on planets that aren't locked. If we run out of those and still have the time to make another run...well TBH i don't think we'll find it unless we get another clue. I see this community is dancing on multiple floors to make progress and that should have positive results one way or another.
I'll stick to skyview and landing for the time.
Tidally locked.

Tidally locked to what? The dark side of the moon isn't dark!

 

[irongut]

Wow...I'm gutted...I'm counting on you bitstorm! Good luck to everybody taking part in that CG.

EDIT:

@bitstorm: I hope, I'd really like to be a part of the search. I'd go so far as to say Nigel Smeaton was a good friend of mine.

Don't worry Popov, I'll put your name on some of the wreckage I deliver.

 

[flint read]

The idea of the spot being on a tidally locked planet is something we should follow. We have too much possible candidates I think this criteria is reasonable, and i don't even land on planets that aren't locked. If we run out of those and still have the time to make another run...well TBH i don't think we'll find it unless we get another clue. I see this community is dancing on multiple floors to make progress and that should have positive results one way or another.
I'll stick to skyview and landing for the time.
Tidally locked.

this plan will only work on a planet that is locked to it's star that way one side will always be in the dark but if it's in orbit around another planet this theory wont work during a solar eclips the "dark side of the moon" is actually in full sunlight as it's locked to us here on earth not the sun