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Horizons tanked in sales?
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No, steam sales are not a great benchmark, they are a poor representation of one quite small part of the market and in isolation of all other forms of the games sales. What I have to ask of you MrRixter is why you have so many separate threads going that specifically knock the game and it's sales without any praise for anything at all good about the game.
You appear to have a very huge axe to grind and are constantly making separate threads to try and convince others of your veracity. Your campaign of what appears to be FD hate, reminds me a great deal of the story of the little boy who cried wolf too often.
I came for the doom, but was left wanting. 0/10. Oh, and I thoroughly loath pineapple on pizza. Just felt like sharing.
Commander Debic, this might provide some insight into potential motivations (feel free to add to)
Link >>> "What's the reasoning behind this type of smear campaign?"
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Yes Theta Sigma, this is well reasoned and explained argument as to why the hate and discordancy is being poured out by a very vocal minority of a few people, who rather than leaving the game, which of course any reasonable person would do, and the forums, and wish to try and get as many converts to their sad cause as they can.
The only reason they pursue this already lost battle is their non acceptance and total disbelief that the much bigger majority do not agree with their view both on the game and the company.
My own suggestion to their future happiness is that if it really galls them so much, then the very best thing they can do is leave both the forums and the game and do something else that may give them pleasure. I mean why stay somewhere that makes them so unhappy unless it is to try and infect others who do not and never will share their distorted view of FD and ED.
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Then why bother to come here and complain so bitterly, as you will be met by derision and disbelief mostly. If you feel so bad, do what many do in their life when they feel that way. Leave the product never buy again from the company. Go and do something else that makes you happy. Writing on here is just making you more unhappy, and I can assure you that I have been around long enough in life to give credence to that old adage, Life is too short, so move on.
Nah man, sorry but this is a pile of poorly constructed <stuff>.
(1) ED is a tough game
It is and almost everyone criticising it embraces this fact. By calling them out to be easy-game players you are dismissing them without having actually gotten remotely close to what their point is.
(2) Wrong. Most people do exactly what you say when they hate a game. They stop interacting with it. People who are active on the forums show that they are quite deeply connected to the game, and most of the criticizers have multiple 100s or 1000s of hours played. This and the fact that they try to make in influence on forums shows that they love the core of the game and want to see it furthered, instead of endless stagnation that a few old men and a vocal minority (...) seem to promote.
(3) What? This is what you think of the people around you? What kind of person are you even?
(4) Offline only is usually only embraced by older guys who dont value competitive gameplay and think that the "internetz" is just a trend that will go by in a few days. I've seen nobody making valid points actually being butthurt about Offline, as they are usually only interested in online play, which is why it is so important to them to have core gameplay elements in place.
(5) Frontier charging a lot of money for actual promises of a finished game. ED is out of beta over a year now and still feels like other games in pre-alpha in almost all aspects other than cockpit-sim/ship-flying. They produce trailers that show situation that will not actually naturally happen in the game.
FDs development direction is plainly wrong, and they know it. I work in games, i know many game designers/devs, and FD have pulled quite some stunts. So they showed they are capable. But there development priorities are completely insane and maybe, just maybe, they are forced into this, direction by the people in the backers forum who payed a lot of money, but actually dont know jack about game design, and are therefore ill advisers.
Pl. landings, character creation and all that is just nice eyecandy with no gameplay value whatsoever unless the game world, all that stuff thats already there, gets really interconnected and for players to grasp so they can actually "carve a meaningful way" in the galaxy. Not possible, even with a lot of RP redconning, in current CZs etc.
Every piece of criticism and feedback is valid, dismissing it shows unprofessionalism (not expected from the average customer though, so you're forgiven) and unwillingness to improve - no matter how good some aspects of the game may be.
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So, you played 500 hours. Have you worked out how many cents/pence a minute that is? Don't you think thats pretty good value. I would. Very few games except this one even get over 100 hours of play before I've basically done them.
Others achieve way more. Some people actually see a game as something to invest in and not just finish playing like super mario when the campaign is done.
An investment usually has you invest X in order to gain X+Y at some later point in time. X with ED can be mobey or time. How can it ever be an investment? Unless you will sell your account or write an official guide, ED will only cost you more time and money as you go on...
maybe, just maybe, they are forced into this completely bulldirection by the people in the backers forum who payed a lot of money, but actually dont know jack about game design, and are therefore ill advisers.
Did you research the many and vociferous threads by early backers and DDF members about the fact that from memory, the only major game facet that was influenced by them was SuperCruise? You seek to give far too much power to backers. FDev plough their own furrow.
It must be amazing to work in games. Do you develop them? Which titles have you worked on, would we know any of them? Is it as exciting as we outsiders might think?
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Presumably Skyrim was bought only by older guys who don't value competitive gameplay. There must be more of us that I thought.
Don't post that, it shows that ED is doing worse than that abomination "Assassins Creed"
Another modern phenomenon, if I don't like it, it must be faulty in some way.
Nah man, sorry but this is a pile of poorly constructed bull
Well, that's just like your opinion, man.
I just presented some suggestions with a crystal-clear caveat...
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The following are merely my own suggestions presented with no evidence whatsoever - feel free to ignore - they are not being presented as "facts"
Your response in the definitive black-white "Wrong" to a conjecture suggests you may have a concrete opinion of things being absolutes - either 'true' or 'false' - (notably: as defined by yourself) whereas I posited some suggestions that I confirmed were not "facts".
The right to express criticism and feedback is certainly a valid action for any individual.
Please note, however, that there is a clear distinction between this inalienable right and the (sadly, often corresponding) belief that the content of those criticisms and feedback are all equally valid.
For example, anyone has the right to criticise ED for being "too expensive" - I have no issue with someone's right to express this view
But: if it is demonstrable that the funding model works out to in fact be less expensive (per hour of play, for example?) than other "less expensive" games that have a monthly subscription-based service - then the criticism is not particularly valid at all.
PS please try to keep things civil
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I'm sorry but that is just a load of old bullsmileys
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A well thought out summation of your post, I agree.
Highlights for me were:
the criticism was numbered, but sometimes I struggle to see relevancy between the numbered criticism and the numbered claim
instead of endless stagnation that a few old men and a vocal minority (...) seem to promote
What kind of person are you even?
Offline only is usually only embraced by older guys who dont value competitive gameplay and think that the "internetz" is just a trend that will go by in a few days
FDs development direction is plainly wrong, and they know it. I work in games (whoa, stand back people, he works in games! According to some who think Elite is a second job, we all do!
)Every piece of criticism and feedback is valid
I must say, you posted an excellent illustration why this is not the case.
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